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  • debiann
    debiann Posts: 447

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    Weather was great in PA today. Spent some time on Lake Nockamixon.

    The great together pic is wonderful. So nice that you could all meet!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Nope

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Boyd great pic.

  • Boyd748
    Boyd748 Posts: 61

    any had this problem:

    Ever since my diagnostic mammogram and ultrasound I have been having sharp pains off and on in the breast with the lump it radiates from the mass which is in the top inside of left breast down to the nipple or just past. Also dull ache in my underarm area. I didn't have any pain in breast before mammogram and ultrasound and the sweeping under my arm only ached a bit usually when I put my arm down on it. Is it possible that the mammogram did something to make it start hurting? Not sure what's going on.

    Thanks

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Well now they are back. I think. I went to a delete on a thread where the OP asking about how many ER+ folks were still around disease free. Okay this is where it get's weird. I forgot about the thyroid cancer and the brain tumor. They're not supposed to be related, but.......I figured I would delete b/c I don't think I fit. The delete button was gone.

    The upside is I forgot about them--weird 

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Boyd Possible. Is this your first dx mammo?

  • Boyd748
    Boyd748 Posts: 61

    another question sorry:

    Is it try that breast masses usually don't on mammogram on pre-menopausal women? And that non cancerous breast masses don't show up on mammogram usually?

    I've read different post and am not sure what's true and what's not. Thanks

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Boyd No clue. never on my radar

    Spookie, Further weirdness. Went to delete the post and it's gone. The Mods once told me that can't happen. But a post on the 2D6 thread from Bakebaker disappeared. I spent quite awhile responding to Bakerbaker. I restated the questions in my response. If I hadn't done that I wouldn't have been able to state that it happened.

  • debiann
    debiann Posts: 447

    Boyd, irritated nerves can cause the pain your describing. Perhaps the mammo set something off. If a mass is growing around a nerve, that can cause pain too.

    Both cancerous and non cancerous masses can show up on mammo. Mammo can also miss some things, so thats why ultrasound or MRI is also used.

  • MarlanaB
    MarlanaB Posts: 193

    Boyd--I was pre-menopausal before Dx and mine showed up. As did my numerous non-cancerous fibroid cysts. They are, however, easier to see on an ultrasound. As for the pain, I didn't have it with the mammogram but after my lumpectomy. The nerves in the breast tend to fan out from the nipple area so they might have hit one when they did your biopsy.

    Jazzy--thanks. I'm anxious for it to be done but also a little leery because some friends that have had it said it was worse on them than the chemo. One friend had to be hospitalized with cellulitis. Kaiser doesn't even have a RO in my area so they referred me out to local group. What was the name of type of radiation that you had? The RO they're referring me to also uses something called Mammosite and "Contura by SenoRx" as well as traditional radiation but I'm not sure what my insurance covers.

  • Holeinone
    Holeinone Posts: 1,418

    Debann, great photo. Looks like fun.

    Marlana, I thought radiation was a picnic compared to chemo. Granted, going 33 times to the Cancer center gets old, but I was getting stronger from chemo. Everyone has a different story. My skin held up well.

    Sas, Spook & Lovey.....another fantastic group photo.

    Sas, you asked about the new ( rental ) house. It's okay, I will be ready to find a home to buy next spring. My shoulder gets sore, because of golf or working at the plant. Had my mammo & RO appt. Get a bone density tomorrow.

    Rose, thinking of you, hope you are spending time with your DDs & DH.

    Hello to all.......

  • jazzygirl
    jazzygirl Posts: 12,047

    Marlanab- Mammosite is similar to what I did, it is another type of internal radiation. If you can do this versus external, I highly recommend it. Women who have early bc (you are stage 1A like I was) and without node involvement (also appears to be your case) are usually who they do recommend it for. Far easier on the body, less rads to the chest wall. My BS has almost all her early bc dx patients do it (I had to go to AZ for it, but think they are starting to do it here more in my city). It was still sort of cutting edge when I did it in 2013, but is becoming more and more available now. You might want to ask about that too where you live, sometimes it is only available in the larger cities/cancer center. But you should be able to find someone in LA who does it. I had BSBC when I went through treatment (still have it now too) and they paid for it.

    I did a lot of research on this and talked to two different RO's before I decided whether to do internal vs. external rads so PM me if you want to chat after you have your consult.


  • Boyd748
    Boyd748 Posts: 61

    Sas-schatzi,

    This is my first diagnostic mammogram. I had a regular mammogram when I was 28 but it was painless and no pain after but I smaller breasts A cup. I did have a mass that turned out to be a lymphnode when removed. They didn't see it on mammogram my breast were so small and dense they couldn't see anything. Thanks everyone, hopefully this throbbing under my arm lets up soon.


  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Boyd, all examiners are not equal in technique. I've had one that I swore she'd never touch me again. All the others were great.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    jazzy something in the news today on new recommendation for radiation what's your opinion? On Google news. Can'link on kindle

  • MarlanaB
    MarlanaB Posts: 193

    Hi1--thanks for the info on your experience with radiation.

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Posts: 2,020

    Boyd: another "I'm pre-menopausal and all my mammograms showed calcifications and lumps." Though debiann's right; the different tests show different things.

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Posts: 10,258

    Marla, I know there is a video of how the MammoSite device works...... but I can't find it now....... I had the same thing...

    They implant a "device" during your surgery, into the pocket from which they removed your tumor....

    Then they will "fill" it with a saline solution? to expand it... A lot of positioning and pictures will take place ... to make sure it is in the right spot.

    Then when the treatments finally start, you go twice a day, for about 10 minutes each time. They will insert little radiation "seeds" in through the tubes that are coming from the device... It's little "chambers" that the seeds go through for a certain amount of time, then they pull them back through.... And after about 8 minutes, it is over. From the time they start, it is about 5 days....

    It is so much easier than the longer version of radiation.... But SOME women cannot have that device, simply because of where their tumor IS.... Or maybe the size.... etc.

    Also, the Tamoxifen worked great for me for about 1 1/2 years... but one morning I couldn't hear....!

    SOME women have this certain gene, that when given an ototoxic drug, will cause a small "infarct"... (stroke).... And depending on where that happens, can affect that portion of your brain... All drugs warn of "possible" side effects, and that was one of them..... cataracts is another.... and the list goes on..........

    I'll try and find a picture of that MammoSite device... but again, you have to "qualify" to be able to have this...

    Nice picture girls! Hah! You all look so happy! xoxoxo

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Posts: 10,258

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    This is what they look like, inflated... The tubes hang out of your breast, and you hold them down with this "sleeve" they put on you. But it's only for awhile.... It's all worth it!

    Just ask about this type of Radiation........

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    marley, Yes that's the article. On the modesty thing, When I switched to my new MO years ago. He was funny when I just pulled my shirt up for the exam. My other Mo in the practice handled most of the BC patients. My new MO got used to it after time. On YKYACPW one of the gals described unbuttoning her shirt when she got in the dentist chair.

    HI, Glennie welcome

    Boyd, glad DD is okay, scary. Marley's suggestion is a great one.

    Spookie, call me when you can?


  • debiann
    debiann Posts: 447

    When my MO does a breast exam he always asks if I want a nurse present. I say no, why waste the time. The first time he did a breast exam after my DIEP recon I said, "now your just rubbing my belly."

    Lol at the unbuttoning in the dentist chair. 

  • jazzygirl
    jazzygirl Posts: 12,047

    Good morning ladies- getting my day going here and reading about your internal rads postings, comments and questions.

    Sassy- I definitely think the internal rads is the way to go to help minimize SEs and give the best chance to long term quality of life. Given my more complex case at the time of dx, my doctors felt I would not get my energy back if I did anything different. I had two major surgeries (open abdominal and breast surgery) six weeks apart, and the rads to the chest wall would have tanked me. I found the rads to be the easiest part of my treatment between surgery and the AIs. I do feel any woman who is offered this should discuss it thoroughly with her medical team. It is important to note, they usually won't offer it to women who have node involvement> However, I talked to a woman on this site whom went to do the same treatment on a tumor found in one of her armpit nodes at the same place I did did my treatment in AZ. So perhaps there is more clinical data to support that location now too. When I say node involvement, I was told no node involvement from the biopsy of the sentinel nodes.

    A couple years ago when I went through this kind of treatment, there were studies being done on internal rads effectiveness short and long term. With reoccurrence, quality of life, etc. My BS told me with my every early bc that was small and slow growing, their goal was to treat it without over treating me. I was 52 at dx, and she said we need to be sure we don't take away your quality of life for the next 30 years. Because it was not considered standard of care at that time, I had to sort through that. I got two different opinions, talked to the RO on the phone in AZ who ultimately did my treatment, and did a consult with an RO here in my city at one of the local cancer centers. There have been more studies since that suggest this really does work to help improve quality of life as well as to treat early cancer. There are other studies that say sometimes women find themselves with a mastectomy in the area longer term. But that can be true with external rads too. It is far more accepted now than it was a few years ago.

    Benefits: shorter treatment time, less exterior damage to the breast skin, less exposure to the chest wall, heart and lungs. Quicker recovery.

    Downside: You may need to go outside the area where you live to do this, but because it is a shorter cycle of treatment, you can get through it. Less long term clinical data around this than external rads (like 30 or more years). I also have a lot of scar tissue from both the surgery and rads, but that is better with time. I do my follow ups every 6 months with mammos and ultrasounds.

    Marlanab- here is a video on internal rads, that includes the kind I had (multi-cather) and the kind that is being discussed with you (balloon or mammosite). This will give you a good sense of the difference, the pros and cons, and what this looks like to the person actually having the procedure.

    I know you are doing chemo, but don't see any positive nodes in your footer (there may be other reasons you were recommended to do chemo), so you may have a good chance here to be a good candidate. I think after chemo, internal rads should be way easier for you. Given you work, it will help you to keep going with your job. I just worked remote for my client when I had to go out of state but was able to get back to work the week after treatment. Yes, I was tired, but really from everything.

    Internal Rads Link

    I hope this is helpful to everyone here who is interested to know!

  • susan3
    susan3 Posts: 2,631

    queenie, I am up in Grand Rapids visiting daughter once a month. Are you near there!?

    Loveroflife, yep. Back in the real world again. It's so strange how it knocks me on my behind for 4 days, then I am up and biking, walking and running again. But can't get up and down the steps for four days. Just weird. But also very lucky it's only 4 days.

    Strange question ...why do the sheets smell after 4 days of laying on them, but not after a week from just sleeping on them? It's not like I am dirty, or even sweating much. Maybe a little drool, is that tmi, sorry. Just think it's weird. I wash them right before lights out on chemo week, but have to drag my butt out to wash again day 3, cause it's yucky.

    Hope everyone has a great day

    Still trying to figure out what to do with mom. My brother isn't a great communicator, and things need to be in place. I have no control over financials, so he is in the drivers seat. Not doing a good job though. Hope things get settled soon

  • jazzygirl
    jazzygirl Posts: 12,047

    Susan- my recent yoga festival reminded me that our body is constantly detoxing through not only our digestive system, but also through our skin and breath. Perhaps some of the toxins your body has in excess from chemo are coming out at night. After a few days, that airs out? Just a thought.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Jazzy Thank you, very thorough. Very. I made a statement on another thread that "(In) a transition time. Nothing worse than a major shift occurring and not being on the right side of the shift." So, much of what is happening now fit's in that thought. I hear you well, your concerns in taking the right step. Your docs being careful to teach you. Tough spot. We play so much of the 'what if game'. It's easy when it's cookbook, no questions. That is not this time in history.

    I didn't have to make a rads decision. I had made the decision "off with them" before cancer was even found. I was in the prohy pipeline thank god. The last question by the BS before scheduling was are you sure you want a BMX. But my family hx was so awful, to me it was a no brainer. Twin, and 5 other paternal females with BC. I was the 7th. One dx'd just after me. Then a 9th. 9:21 women BC. 3 other cancers in the women for 12:21. Bad gene. I have two female cousins both advanced degrees(MSN & ARNP), that think my genetics concern is unfounded. Total cancer on the paternal side are approximately(loosing track), 24:53 or 23:54. That's not counting double hits like me with different cancers, not just mets. There are three of us, and one in the next generation. I think I said bad gene. Yup, bad gene.OOPs off on a tangent.


  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Posts: 10,258

    Jazzy..... good post! Imagine what they thought when they saw ME! They probably thought "isn't she too old to get breast cancer?" I'm surprised she can still stand! Ha!

    Also Sass.... So they saw me in the Dentist's chair? Ha! I never thought of doing THAT one, when I was younger.... and I wouldn't do it now.... It's just too hard picking your Dentist up off the floor in a dead faint..... with my blouse un-bottoned.

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Posts: 10,258

    This is just bizarre! Someone commented.... "A pig-roast".... This is disfunctional at it's finest.....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kylie-jenner-birthday-party-photos_55c891ade4b0923c12bd4f4d?kvcommref=mostpopular

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Susan, Look at page 25, 26 of Ma111's Death and Dying thread. I'll bring the link. Bon made a synopsis of the first 25 pages. It was all preparation stuff for dealing with the ultimate problem. The ultimate problem takes allot of problem solving to get there. Hence, Bon's synopsis has oodles of info that may help with Mom.

    ? https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topic/770023?page=25#idx_2280

    The sheet thing is interesting. The obvious is you can smell. I envy you that. But to be so intense--- a couple of questions? With all your chemo's/drugs has this been the pattern? Have they're been chemo's that this wasn't true with? Have they're been chemo's that were more intense than others? Have you experienced this pre BC? How was your sniffer during pregnancy? Are they're foods that you are intensely sensitive too? Were you on any chemo's that this wasn't present at the beginning, but occurred after time and repetition? Have you ever asked DH if he smells anything? Ewhh, not a nice thing to ask a DH/DBF, but if they aren't perceiving it, it does have relevance. May add more questions after you respond.