Can we have a forum for "older" people with bc?

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  • chisandy
    chisandy Posts: 11,646
    edited August 2016

    Welcome, Valz! I see so many women on bco who were diagnosed in their 40s and even 30s, with families yet to raise and aggressive tumors, and my heart goes out to them. But I’m glad we oldies have a place to gather and support each other, with our very different concerns and considerations.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Valsz -- glad you decided to open the door and come on in. You know, the pickle often is --- just when you have had so many mammograms that you finally just ho-hum your way through them, one day you get a surprise. No more ho-humming. I too feel so for the younger ladies, but it is nice to share with those who are a wee bit older. My kids are raised, and grandkids too --- I do have a couple of greats but they are in other states --- so the concerns we have here are different from the younger ladies. No problem interacting with others, but just nice to have a 'special' place as well.

    You stay on my mind Sandra -- almost always.

    Joan I am so glad you came today. Been thinking about you as well. Wow !!!! Starting back to work so soon, it seems. I'm glad you are just drifting a bit and enjoying.

    All is fine here. I have been working 7 days a week --- only for three hours a day though so not so bad. Right now I am cat sitting for my friend for 9 days though so I am ending up with a lot more than the 3 hrs. That is ok. I'm just grateful that I can do it. Life ( despite a little bit of illnesses including cancer ) has been so good to me. I live out here in the woods which touches me greatly in wonder. I have lovely friends and family, and see every day as a great day to try and make better than the one before. I have everything I need to be happy and most of the time I do fairly well.

    I'm not as complacent as I was before the cancer and though I'm not happy that I had it, I do have to say it opened my eyes to looking for all the good that surrounded me. I don't just drift through days but look to find special things about them and every night I say a prayer for myself and everyone else. We are only here for a short while on this beautiful Earth. I do my best to make it count.

    Blessings

    Jackie

  • darab
    darab Posts: 895
    edited August 2016

    Welcome Valz! Boy you have had quite a time with bc, and I admire your positive attitude! I'm 65 and this is my first (and hopefully last) go around with bc.

    Joan sounds so great to be in Long Island with the sun surf, and breezes! Our heat wave finally broke for the time being, but I know it will come back.

    Sandy, glad your foot is doing better. I'd say "break a leg" for this weekend, but maybe that's not a good idea!


  • chisandy
    chisandy Posts: 11,646
    edited August 2016

    Dara, when someone said “break a leg” before I went onstage at Disney MGM in Orlando (plucked out of the audience for the Indiana Jones show), I promptly ruptured my ACL and medial meniscus. So I appreciate your concern. At least my foot isn’t broken (quite the opposite--it grew some bone where it doesn’t belong).

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Happiness is not a brilliant climax to years of grim struggle and anxiety.
    It is a long succession of little decisions
    simply to be happy in the moment.
    - J. Donald Walters

  • joan811
    joan811 Posts: 1,982
    edited August 2016

    Good morning...I stayed up to watch the Olympic opening ceremony - spectacular. 
    Dara, it is nice to live a short drive from the ocean.  The summer is way too short, and work starts soon.  I am enjoying being home, but I have not accomplished anything much!  I hope you are doing OK as you process your next step in BC treatment.

    Valz, you certainly have been challenged by this awful disease.
    I am glad you have found this welcoming group.  It's like old friends - even if you are away for awhile, you can just come back any time. 

    Jackie, thanks for your warm welcome, as always!  I am glad you explained your job hours - I could never follow because it seemed you were always going to work...now I know that you are !  It is a blessing that you can do it, and you found time to cat-sit, too.  You are a giving person.
    I do find something special in every day.  I love to watch the sky just around sunset and how the colors change.  Then the stars and planets come out...always amazing.
    I am not as focused as I'd like to be, and I think the Femara plus getting older is really challenging my cognitive abilities.  If I have a lot of things in front of me, like packing a suitcase or grocery shopping, I feel like I cannot process the steps.

    Wishing a happy Saturday to all.  Thinking of those who are facing difficult times.
    Joan


  • darab
    darab Posts: 895
    edited August 2016

    Joan, that is such a beautiful image of sunset! It's interesting that you mention your focus. I got a call yesterday from CoH from a young man who asked if I would be willing to be part of a study looking at "older" people going through chemo. Luckily he said I just barely squeaked in as it was for 65+ and I just turned 65 in May. Anyway, they are researching if a blood test could predict which women will respond best to chemo, measuring blood counts and cognitive abilities. The study will again help MOs determine best treatment plans for patients. Since CoH is a research institution, I"m enrolled in several studies, agreed to donate part of my pathology for research, they will follow me for years afterwards, etc. It's so encouraging to see all the studies and trials going on. Have any of you been following the New York Times series on immunology with cancer? I really feel that cancer treatment will be radically reformed in the future.

    Sandy, hope your performance is awesome today. How are handling everything with your thumb? Hope the foot is also better.

    Hi everyone else. Have fun with the Olympics, performances, or just enjoying summer!

  • anneb1149
    anneb1149 Posts: 821
    edited August 2016

    Morning all,

    Welcome Valz- sorry for the reason you have found us, but we will do our very best to help you through this awful mess, and maybe, even when you are back to health you will continue with us, enjoying the sharing of our day-to-day lives. I cannot tell you how important this group was to me when I was in treatment. No one can offer the emotional support we need than others who have walked the path before us. And, we get to know and like each other so much, we stay here, sharing our day-to-day lives.


  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Joy is what we are, not what we must get. Joy is the realization that all we want or need in life has been etched into our souls. Joy helps us see not what we are "going through," but what we are "growing to"--a greater sense of understanding, accomplishment, and enlightenment. Joy reveals to us the calm at the end of the storm, the peace that surpasses the momentary happiness of pleasure. If we keep our minds centered on joy, joy becomes a state of mind. -Iyanla Vanzant

  • windward
    windward Posts: 57
    edited August 2016

    Hi All,

    I am a visitor from Cold Caps and CMF boards with a question for you all. I am 6 months after last chemo and still shedding. I know us older people,( I am 80 years young , work full time) have age related thinning hair., even without having cancer. Has the hair you lost during chemo grown back? I keep hearing from younger women on the message boards, how they see fuzzy hair appearing. Does it happen when you get old? What have you experienced?

    I guess I am hoping for some happy stories, but I am interested in all your experiences.

    Thanks and hugs to all going through hard times,

    Windward



  • darab
    darab Posts: 895
    edited August 2016

    From my picture, (it was taken 6 months ago,) you can see I currently have a full head of hair, but after I hit menopause, it changed from a lot of thick hair to a lot of fine hair. I still have to blow dry and fuss with it some,and that's why I decided not to do the cold caps. Did you use them during chemo? I almost gave in and bought a bunch of them on Thursday, but then read some of the thread on cold caps that said how careful you had to be with hair, washing, do as little as possible, etc. I figured I wouldn't like my hair anyways, so the effort would be wasted. I'll keep you posted though.

  • minustwo
    minustwo Posts: 13,799
    edited August 2016

    Windward: When I was in chemo & lost my hair, I spent hours on this "hair, hair, hair" site. Lots of pages, but I got lots of good information & commiseration.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topics...


  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Windward -- It has been awhile for me, but I lost every hair on my body ( including nasal hairs ) and all the head hair. I don't recall just how soon it was after last treatment, but probably a couple of months. My hair came in just like it had always been, thin, fine and straight as a string. It came in white and after a couple of weeks turned into the same mousy brown I had for a good part of my life. It is still thin, but from the first I went back to getting permanents every few months as much for body as anything else. So far -- at 70 yrs. old I do not have enough gray hair to bother with color which I'm told is the only other solution to thin, fine hair --- so perms still going on for me.

    All told my 6 months of Adriamycin and Cytoxan ( 4 rounds ) and ( Taxotere 4 rounds ) only gave me a few months break between bad hair days which were a part of my daily existence otherwise. Hope you get a handle going.

    Jackie

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Karma is simply the law of cause and effect. If you plant an apple seed, you don't a get a mango tree. If we practice hatred or greed, it becomes our way and the world responds accordingly. If we practice awareness or loving-kindness, it becomes our way and the world responds accordingly. We are heirs to the results of our actions, to the intentions we bring to every moment we initiate. We make ripples upon the ocean of the universe through our very presence. -Christina Feldman and Jack Kornfield

  • anneb1149
    anneb1149 Posts: 821
    edited August 2016

    Mornin all-

    Windward - I have always had extremely thin, fine hair. So much so that I wore a wig before BC whenever I went out- even to the grocery store. When it grew back after chemo, it was thicker at first, which I loved. Then it went back to thinner and finer. There is nothing I can do to it. For me, the worst part is that I am no longer comfortable with the wigs. Hope you have a better outcome.

    Ladies, this is the 5th time I am trying to tell you something. Each time I have gotten the story out, my finger jumps or the iPad falls or I just lose it. Here I go again:

    My son, who was staying with me in FL for the summer called me one night last week. I am in GA right now, getting the boys up here ready to go back to school. He says, "uh, Mom...I just invited the American Beach Volleyball Olympic team to spend the night here" WHAT!?!? Turns out that one of the players used to be first a camper, then a counselor at Rob's camp. Nick had gone on Facebook to say that their flight from Texas to Miami was running so late, they were going to miss their connecting flight to Rio. Rob immediately texted him to say if they got stuck in Miami, to call him and he would pick them up and they could stay at my house until they got everything straightened out. Nick called Rob to make sure he meant it, because everyone else had responded with sympathy or info aBout flights going to Rio from Boston, etc. He said Rob was the only who offered a really helpful plan. A little later, my DD who lives with me there called "Do you know what he has done now?" Very upset and angry that her brother had just invited God knows how many strangers to spend the night. I said,"Tracy, do YOU understand that this is a team heading to Rio and are the #1 contenders for the Gold Medal in THE OLYMPICS!!" She backed down because it was obvious I wasn't going to take her side. Unfortunately for us, Nick called again to say they had gotten on a direct flight from Texas to Rio. I have been told that Nick wAs front and center when the Vollyball team participated in the opening ceremonies Fri night. I am amazed at the people Rob knows- retired and current NFL players who he sees on a regular basis, now someone participating in the Olympics? And he was raised in a little town in FL, and now teaches and lives in an even smaller town in SC.

    He went home Fri and they video taped him waKing Lu up to tell her he was home. She was sound asleep and had no reaction at first except to squirm away. Then I think his voice got thru because she started smiling. He asked for a hug, and she grumbled no, so he picked her up. Her eyes were opened but she still wasn't getting it. Then... She starts touching his face and he says, yeah, baby girl- it's Daddy and I am home home with you. She just grabbed his neck and gave him the most incredible hug. I am so glad they video'd it.

    Hugs to everyone,

    Anne

  • darab
    darab Posts: 895
    edited August 2016

    Anne, what a great story about the Olympic team! And also the videotaped homecoming. Shows what good hearts all of them were taught to have by you!

  • chisandy
    chisandy Posts: 11,646
    edited August 2016

    The gig itself went well, though I did get a severe heat-exhaustion/hyponatremia attack after they took down the tent over the stage as I was packing up my instruments. The sweat and the sunshine (mid-80s but still hotter than under the tent) really got to me, and I suddenly got really sweaty, queasy & stomach-crampy. I had taken my last Lasix on Fri. morning, as I'd peed away all the edema by then, and my PCP's NP said I could stop it when I felt ready. But I guess it has a longer half-life, and I'd been restricting sodium since the edema happened. It took 15 min. sitting in a dark Porta-Potti, pooping out what little I could, for my extreme discomfort to subside. Bless my singing partner--he waited until I emerged from the john and could remotely unlock my car, and loaded my stuff for me and handed me another bottle of water (I’d drunk 20 oz. en route to Milwaukee and on stage) before heading home to Madison (where his wife is dealing with a torn rotator-cuff). I ran my car's A/C full-blast and got home safely. Drank another couple glasses of water. Crashed on the couch for half an hour, made an insalata Caprese, fetched a chilled bottle of bubbly from the downstairs fridge and headed over to my block party's potluck cookout dinner. Spent a couple of hours chatting with the neighbors, before I realized my heel spur was screaming. (The orthotics were no help--they kept slipping out of my sandals).

    As to any cognitive impairment from letrozole, I notice it in brief inexplicable “dropouts" of lyrics & chords--even those I'd practiced. I am seriously considering starting to use a music stand and master notebook--others my age are beginning to--and reprinting the lyrics in MUCH larger bolder fonts--taking up two pages if necessary. When I was younger and possessed of a near-photographic memory, I used to disdain that as “unprofessional," yet professional symphony musicians, choristers and art-song soloists all use their scores while performing. Pride goeth before a fall. I deal with chores, packing and shopping by making lists. In fact, in my “Notes" app I have master packing lists for both vacations and performances, so I don't forget to bring important stuff. I keep a "core" set of toiletries and personal care items already in my luggage to minimize having to hunt for and transfer them. I've been able to pack the night before a major trip, and get a decent night's sleep because of that. And as for my musical instruments & equipment, I have "a place for everything, and everything in its place," and am strict about adhering to that.

  • wren44
    wren44 Posts: 8,075
    edited August 2016

    ChiSandy, I do the same for packing. I have my master list and a bag with toiletries that just stays packed and ready to go, complete with a week's worth of medications. I think it's a hang over from back packing and travel agent days.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    If, like a Cherokee warrior, I can look at the new day as an opportunity to stand on new ground, then strength and courage are on my side.I will remember that things do work out, bodies do heal, relationships mend--not because I said it, but because I believe it.But it is time to make things right, to stay on the path.As water runs fresh and free from the woodland spring, so new life and meaning will bubble up from my own inner source.I will be still and steady, because there is nothing to be gained by showing fear in a chaotic world. - Joyce Sequichie Hifler

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Studies of volunteers have shown there is a benefit to performing acts of love for other people. The irony is that it is actually in your best interest to be selfless. The things you do for the benefit of others not only make you feel fulfilled, they increase your chances of living a long and happy life. Remember that an act of love always benefits at least two people.|
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    Bernie S. Siegel

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Nothing is more valuable than your self respect.
    When you lose respect for yourself, you have lost everything.
    Whatever it takes, and whoever you upset,
    do what you know - deep inside - is the right thing.
    - Jonathan Lockwood Huie

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Posts: 1,750
    edited August 2016

    Mike is doing fine on day 6 of his hospitalization at MD Anderson Cancer Center. He had 8 different kinds of IV drugs, chemo, and blood flowing into him today! It's frustrating not to be able to get close to him, but since his ANC (neutrophils are responsible for fighting infection) is officially "undetectable", he is totally susceptible to infection. He ran a fever of 102 on Saturday but antibiotics took care of it and his temp is back to normal. I'm really surprised that he has had no side effects whatsoever from any of the 3 chemo drugs he takes. Others report a host of nasty side effects so maybe he's not out of the woods yet. Cytarabine goes 24 hours a day for 7 days, he is almost finished with idarubicin, and he gets the experimental chemo every day called AG-221. To enter the Leukemia Specialty Unit, you have to cover your shoes with paper booties. The regular nurses and doctors plus the research nurses and doctors put on new protective garments, head covers, masks and gloves each time they go in his room. I see him through a window in a little room next to his hospital room and talk to him via phone. The clinical trial documents say he should be in this protective environment for 4 weeks.

    My son Ryan seems to be ok and not terribly depressed or drinking a lot. Don't know how long that will last. I'm going to go back to San Antonio to check on him for a couple of days - maybe Sunday. It depends on Mike being stable. If anything happened while I was away, I'd never forgive myself. Daughter Allison has a new job at Northwestern Univeristy but will be able to come visit around Labor Day.

    Minus Two and I are hoping to get together sometime next week. It's been great getting to meet so many of my BCO friends over the past several years.

  • bonnets
    bonnets Posts: 737
    edited August 2016

    Sandra, thanks for catching us up on Mikes progress. Glad things are going well for him at MD. My daughter went there to try and get in on a trial , but was refused as she had had too many chemo's. Hopefully the 4 weeks will pass quicker than you think.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Sandra, I too am pleased that some progress is being made and it is mainly positive. I do hope you can take a couple of days off -- though it is only a month you have had a lot on your plate --- and basically can do so little at this point. A little respite would be good. Hopefully that can work out. I'm sure all here will continue with prayers, healing thoughts and energies and a universe full of hope.

    Jackie

  • chisandy
    chisandy Posts: 11,646
    edited August 2016

    Glad things are looking up for Mike and that Ryan seems to be stable!

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    When you commit yourself to living love,
    you feel at peace with yourself because
    you are at harmony with the flow of life.
    Viewing life from the highest perspective,
    you feel confident and secure.You
    realize that no matter how things may
    appear, you are loved and protected.
    You know you are one with God, and
    you bring your peace with you wherever
    you go. You're not looking for love,
    but for opportunities to love.



    Susan L. Taylor

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Posts: 9,018
    edited August 2016

    Hello to every, including (or especially!) newcomers. I just caught up on posts. At home I have a morning routine that includes opening up the lap top and checking e-mail, bc.org, and Facebook but here in MN I can go for days without any computer time. Part of the reason is a word game on my smart phone. I have become addicted to Word Brain. It's a free download so check it out if you like games like scrabble.

    We're having a rainy week. Two inches during the last couple of days, according to my neighbor's rain gauge. It's a bit humid but the temperature is nice, in the 70's.

    Yesterday we drove up to Bemidji to buy a few things at Menard's. We have a Walmart in Park Rapids but no big box stores. Before we left, we stopped at an ice cream place that serves really delicious ice cream.

    Wishing all a great Thursday.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    That ice cream sounds so good right now. We are having awful humidity today and we had to have the plumbers out to work on the septic and try to bore open the lines --- one is being VERY sticky. Even though I'm not a plumber and never plan to be one --- dumb me. I feel so bad for them having to be out in this kind of weather that I go out and stay with them. Really soaked when I got back in --- but the a/c felt like I was in a fridge with all the sweat on me. We keep it at 78 in here. It can get a bit cool in the late afternoon inside with all the shade we are in.

    We might have some rain in a day to two. When it is like this I don't really mind so much as it will cool nicely for a bit. On to other internet chores.

    Happy Thursday from me.

  • chisandy
    chisandy Posts: 11,646
    edited August 2016

    I had some Ciao Bella dark chocolate gelato last night--tough to scoop (was wondering if I should’ve worn my sleeve), but very deep and dark and not as sweet as Talenti’s double dark chocolate. Been guzzling seltzer over ice. Just had some tuna salad over diced tomato, cucumber, and avocado. Still hot. Might go after the cherries in the fridge to keep me away from more gelato. Today is Chicago’s hottest day of the year. Even our A/C is groaning.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited August 2016

    Gelato=more heaven

    Smile