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Ribociclib/Kisqali with Letrozole - Any one on this combo?

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  • dah925
    dah925 Posts: 37

    @forza Happy to hear the drug is working for you. I am going to check with my oncologist at my next appointment. Thank you for this information, Much appreciated!

  • eleanora
    eleanora Posts: 596

    Hi everyone

    I follow this thread, although I only comment sporadically, as my treatment has been Kisqali/fulvestrant. It's my first line and I've been on it for four years. I may be switching to Kisqali/letrozole in the next few weeks and would greatly appreciate your input as to side effects.

    I think it would be useful to explain how I got to this point, so apologies for the long story. Between June and December, 2025, I had recurring bouts of diverticulitis and Kisqali was stopped intermittently for a total of thee months because of antibiotics. I continued on Fulvestrant the entire time. In December I resumed Kisqali at 200 mg for 2 cycles then returned to my normal dose of 400 mg. My MO ordered a Tempus test which showed a low percentage of ctDNA and no actionable mutations. My most recent scans showed 3 small bone mets (I'm bone only) and a small growth of 2mm in an existing met. Two of the mets have already been radiated and the other two have been scheduled for radiation on May 26.

    My MO proposed a possible treatment change to Verzenio/fulvestrant, which I refused. I don't think my GI tract is sufficiently recovered from the damage of diverticulitis to withstand Verzenio. I also don't think Kisqali failed - it was simply removed for a long period - and I questioned why she didn't think Fulvestrant is the treatment that failed since I continued that even in the absence of Kisqali. She admitted that, in the case of mutations, there's really no way to tell which medication failed. To her credit, she agreed to discuss the possibility of a switch to Kisqali/letrozole with her colleagues. I was lucky to be able to schedule a second opinion appointment with a very well regarded MO at Johns Hopkins and saw her last week. She said that she would prefer a switch to Kisqali/letrozole rather that Verzenio/fulvestrant and said that she would send a report to my MO.

    I am at a crossroads and would welcome comments and suggestions.

  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 576

    @eleanora Gosh, that is a tough decision, with conflicting viewpoints. I can't really say how you should decide, but I'd go with the opinion of the top institution if it were me. Really sorry you are dealing with such anxiety and uncertainty.

  • eleanora
    eleanora Posts: 596

    @tougholdcrow

    Thanks so much for your input. One of my recurring issues throughout Stage IV is that my MO, while brilliant, is relatively young ( my guess is her 40s, but at almost 76, that's young to me) and her responses at critical moments like this sound as though she's reading from a manual. No ability to "think outside the box". I'm hoping that the Johns Hopkins MO, who is much more mature, will add her expertise and creativity to the mix moving forward. At almost 76, with a good QOL, my goal is to maintain that for a few more years before I leave.

  • forza
    forza Posts: 183

    update on euh …. Myself 🙇🏻‍♀️

    I had a scare . 3 fractured ribs on bonescan and on CT. 3 months later , so now , I had the wait and watch Petscan . Definitely stressed me out. I was already thinking about future chemo and wigs etc

    Yes. All clear. You can’t make it up 🙄 definitely passed 7 years now without progression on Kisqali as first line.
    My sort of notes if Novartis reads along. Recovering those neutrophiles is getting harder and harder in the week off. Oncology told me they will drop me from 400 to 200 if recovery within the 7 days fails again. I’m stuck at 0.59 at the moment , we need the magic 1 🙄 My bone marrow is tired . I forgot to discuss it officially but i might take a cycle off again. Done it 2 years in a row without dropping dead so why not.
    ofcourse stage 4 never stops , October ? MRI breast and an MRI spine . And a CT chin to arse 🤷🏻‍♀️ TAP , I know the abbreviations.

    Good Summer holidays to all x

  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 576

    @forza Wow, what would have caused those fractured ribs? I had a fractured rib during chemo a couple of years ago when I felt so ill and was coughing all the time. I wonder sometimes if my bones are weaker now despite the Zometa and daily calcium. Sigh. I am SO glad it all came out ok with your scan. Kisqali is an amazing drug. I don't think they really know yet about safe "deescalation strategies" as they call them, meaning whether Kisqali can be lowered or even dropped without consequence after a period of time. I hope the low neutrophils are not making you feel too wretched.

  • forza
    forza Posts: 183
    edited July 3

    Hello @tougholdcrow this forced menopause is not good for bone density that’s for sure. Frankly I’m too tired to care right now. I’ve had so many things come and go on scan … maybe if I’d never had all these scans I’d be generally a calmer put together person.

    I’m taking a Kisqali break in August , I’ve really made up my mind today. Will tell them after the facts 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’ve consulted Chatty gpt who came up with : don’t stop Kisqali fully for holiday purposes , lower yourself to 200 for that cycle. It dug up some studies where that would be the safer option 🤷🏻‍♀️

    💃🏻


    Edit : some sort of disclaimer : me not following protocol is in no way shape or form medical advice to others , I’m just sharing my own decisions

  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 576

    @forza I am training for my little Camino del Norte walk in August. . . only 6 days, not the full deal. I'm walking in Michigan and now on the east coast. And lo and behold I picked up a tick and have to go to urgent care tomorrow to see if I'm getting Lyme disease. Cripes. It's always something. I'll keep you posted on the Camino trip.

  • moderators
    moderators Posts: 10,238
    edited July 6

    Hi @tougholdcrow ,

    Your Camino sounds wonderful 😎 we can't wait to hear all about it! Six days on the Camino del Norte is quite an adventure. Would love to hear details.

    And oh no about the tick! What a nuisance, and scare, especially while you're training. We're glad you're getting it checked out right away, and we're hoping it's just a minor detour and you'll be back to your walks soon.

    Please keep us posted on both the urgent care visit and your Camino adventure. We'll be rooting for you! 💗

  • forza
    forza Posts: 183

    @tougholdcrow how fun (not the tick) , I’m sure you won’t get Lyme … don't they just give a few days of antibiotics as a preventative measure ?! Fingers crossed.
    Are you doing the last 6 days into Santiago ?
    I should be somewhere in the Los Arcos area around the eclipse. But I’m chickening out. I’m very heat sensitive and Europe as a whole is getting hit by heatwave after heatwave. I’d only lose my train tickets to be fair but I’d like to go , just not when the temperature goes over 40C daily. I can also only go for 2 weeks. I ran out of house-sitting time because I went into MS rehab / revalidation for 3 weeks already this year. I do regret doing that , they saw me as a cash cow (luckily I’m really well insured) and I came out the same physically but mentally worse. I kept hoping that stay would be an investment in my future self. Never again. To think foreigners pay lots of money to come here for that. I thought myself so lucky to have access to it practically for free. I digress.
    yes Camino 😊😊 we love our Caminos .
    So far I did 1 training walk 🤣

    Off to get bloods again now to see I managed to get above the 1 or 1000 or whichever measurement they use in different countries. Joy

    xx

  • forza
    forza Posts: 183

    ANYBODY ELSE ???

    it happened 😞 I’m still only on 0.8 neutrophiles after a week …. So another week off and bloods again .
    onc said on the phone we’ll (I never get this WE) will drop from 400 to 200 after I pass the magical 1.

    I’m not ready for lowering … after over 7 years of fairly stable on 400 and a great petscan , this ?! Really ?!
    No I’m not ready for that .
    On the other hand I’ve also been told off by a technician getting scans done in several hospitals . Euh Madame : the hospitals merged and I go where I always did before I landed on your desk. Not even discussing that. But it’s easier for …. No no no easier for you , not me.
    she ended on the wrong side of my blood results . The advocating becomes second nature eventually 🤷🏻‍♀️


    I can’t find studies on this matter 🙄


    I want my usual break , not another blood test 🙄

  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 576

    @forza Joy I find it so weird that you have been stable for so long and now have this neutropenia problem. I guess I was under the impression that our bodies adopted to this medication. I hope that 200 is good maintenance especially since you have been stable for a long time. Some folks have gotten 10 years in the old days of letrozole alone. I hope all things are turning in the right direction soon.

    @moderators I'm on a short break because yes, I have Lyme disease. It's very early days, so I should come out of it fine. Just feel a bit fluish. Fortunately, I was near my one week break from Kisqali anyway. Be careful out there. In some places, like where I live, blacklegged ticks are 50% likely to be carrying Lyme. It's turning into an epidemic.

    I am not going to Santiago this time, but hopefully next. Ending at the eclipse may be a bit more pagan than Catholic. I chose the north coast in hopes that the heat will be more reasonable.

  • forza
    forza Posts: 183

    @tougholdcrow you actually did catch Lymes , good grief 😳 I’m so sorry to hear that. In my head that only happens in films.


    yes the Norte should be cooler but the start is harder. That’s why I asked which end. Oh pagan , that’s a step too far. I’m definitely Roman catholic. I’ve seen a full eclipse in 1999 with my mum in France , it was amazing ! I remember every bit of that day and want to relive it. I’m 75% sure I’m cancelling , August heat , I’m in physiotherapy twice a week, the K cycle will fall all wrong and taking a break is not the same when you’re already only on 200. (Tip : never plan an August heat trip in winter)

    Clearly my bone marrow is working slower. I’m a bit torn because I had labs on days I knew it wouldn’t be right. But in my file it’s written as failed without context. So it reads I’ve had several failed blood tests in a row in the last 9 months.
    I’ve tried several AIs to find studies on people that got lowered later on and not in the first months. Nothing.

    Silver lining ??? Less side effects but just as effective ? Who knows. This also means I have pills in the house for 8 months 😳

    I talk too much , sorry