All Topics → Forum: Radiation Therapy - Before, During and After → Topic: Fat Graft Transfer and the Radiated Breast
Posted on: Dec 3, 2009 10:47PM - edited Mar 1, 2014 10:11AM by whippetmom
I started this thread in 2009, and since that time, further data has been published regarding the efficacy of utilizing stem-cell enriched fat graft transfer in previously irradiated breast tissue.
Since links are often malfunctioning, I am posting the most recent information, so that you can easily cut and paste and print out to take to your plastic surgeons.
Print out these articles:
Autologous Fat Grafting in Secondary Breast Reconstruction
Losken, Albert MD; Pinell, Ximena A. MD; Sikoro, Katherine MD; Yezhelyev, Maksym V. MD; Anderson, Erica MD; Carlson, Grant W. MD
Lauren Greenfield, MD's blog [a California plastic surgeon]
As you can see, there are numerous studies which have been performed to substantiate that fat graft transfer [even to a breast where the implant is already in place] can change the integrity of the radiated skin. It can soften the skin and apparently can also reduce a higher grade capsular contracture which otherwise might require surgical intervention, to a Grade 1 which would require no intervention. Fat grafting is also a method by which symmetry to the irradiated breast can be made to more closely match the non-irradiated breast.
MASSAGING DURING EXPANSION
From an interview by D r. Weiss here on bc.org
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Jan 29, 2010 12:31AM whippetmom wrote:
Dec 28, 2010 12:11PM chillipadi wrote:
Thanks for this post Deborah. My onco said that reconstruction will not be possible after radiation, so I'm glad to know that she's wrong. I may need skin-grafting during masectomy, though, as the tumors are large and cover my whole breast. I wonder if this will make reconstruction difficult?
Dec 28, 2010 02:04PM mom3band1g wrote:
OH thank you! I was just talking to my ps's PA about fat grafting. Right now I look like someone split cantaloup and attached each side to my chest. Not pretty. The PA was saying that fat grafting could help soften the look. My rads side is tight as a drum.....off to look at the links you posted.
Apr 28, 2011 07:22PM kareenie wrote:
Deborah's link above to the Results of the ASPS Fat Graft Task force doesn't work any more but this one does:
Apr 28, 2011 08:35PM kareenie wrote:
Apr 28, 2011 08:36PM kareenie wrote:
oops it didn't post as a link
Apr 29, 2011 11:53PM StephDeg wrote:
excellent information - My radiation oncologist was basically trying to talk me out of implants because of the capsulation thing- she says 50% + have problems after radiation...
so I had assumed i would have to go with transflap surgery- I already have tissue expanders in- this looks like another option.
p.s. anyone who has had implants after radiation care to comment?
Aug 5, 2011 11:21PM whippetmom wrote:
Aug 10, 2011 10:03PM whippetmom wrote:
A new article....out this month....
Aug 10, 2011 11:51PM whippetmom wrote:
geewhiz: Tell us about your skin. Is it softer, a different texture, and did your PS inject the fat in various areas on the mound or just in the scar region? I'm so glad it has all been successful for you!
Aug 11, 2011 12:47AM geewhiz wrote:
I am blonde, fair and freckled. Rads left me with sheets of skin peeled off that came back brown and tight.
I had followed the recommendation of being fully expanded and exchanged prior to rads. I was very nervous, and honestly only recently have calmed down about it. The rads side is now the same color as the other breast. It had been brown. The implant is not as mobile or squishy as the other side, but my first ps had that one side lifted higher to overcompensate. Now I don't think that was necessary.
The fat was injected all around the breastbone and breast. Looked like a pincushion!!! I thought I was done, and was ready to get nipples...but now, 7 months post fat graft....I might do it again to even things out more. I have a bony chest area that I would like to see more fat on. So, I can't believe I am saying this, but I might actually take another stab at it.
And yes...Dr Khouri was my ps. His caring and enthusiasm has probably been the most positive experience I have had through the cancer journey.
Aug 11, 2011 06:09AM whippetmom wrote:
geewhiz: I am so glad that this worked for you. I thought you might have gone to Dr. Khouri. Wish other plastic surgeons would get on the bandwagon....
Aug 12, 2011 12:08AM tedwilliams wrote:
After my first fat grafting there has been a big change in my radiated breast. The color has gone from brownish to pink and the skin has softened. Just had the second grafting and my PS injected more fat along the scar at the bottom of what was my breast and along adhesions to the chest wall.
I really appreciate the references provided.
Aug 12, 2011 02:44AM whippetmom wrote:
Jana: Keep us posted on the changes after this second procedure.
Aug 13, 2011 11:10PM whippetmom wrote:
Physician at MD Anderson in Houston using fat graft transfer for treatment of radiation damaged skin...
"ASPS member Elisabeth Beahm, MD, professor of surgery at the University of Texas (Houston) MD Anderson Cancer Center:....she has seen startlingly good results from stem cell therapy employed to repair skin damaged by radiation treatment."
Aug 14, 2011 01:13AM Estepp wrote:
my skin is not damaged though.... but someday... if I ever have insurance without the deductible... I might try this... for other reasons.
Thank you my sweet sister! I am sending you a PM
Aug 14, 2011 01:23AM mrsnjband wrote:
I was thinking that I would prefer fat grafting to help the rad breast than an implant. I know the rad side will not look like the non- rad breast after my bi-lateral DIEP. She has talked about fat grafts after the initial surgery. Thanks for all the info! NJ
Aug 14, 2011 01:35AM geewhiz wrote:
Estepp, I promised you pictures. I took some prior to the grafting and was quite sad and shocked by how dark the skin looked after rads in the picture. Then I could never figure out how to get them sent, and wound up deleting them. Things look much better now, still not perfect, but I am grateful for what I have. I will figure out how to get them to you!
Sep 13, 2011 04:49AM kittycat wrote:
Interesting info. This is my new obsession! I had surgery to correct my capsular contracture after radiation. I had bmx on my first bc diagnosis. When I got dx the 2nd time, I had to do chemo and rads! Bummer! My right side really tightened up. My PS thought doing a capsulelotemy and Alloderm would help it. It is an improvement, but the breast is still hard and about an inch higher than the left (non radiated) one. When I had my BMX, my left dropped a little more than my right (like half and inch at most). My PS wasn't too worried about it. He figured it would drop into place. I had more scar tissue on the right side because of the biopsies. While we were closely watching my foob, I found bc again. :(
Anyway, I see my PS this Friday. I'm going to check out the articles and ask him about fat grafting. He wants me to do lots of massage and some light exercise (walking). He does fat grafting, so we will see what he says. :)
Oct 17, 2011 06:18PM - edited Oct 17, 2011 06:20PM by rockstar22
I see that you had TE and implants prior to radiation. I had a BMX on 8/30/11 with immediated recon. I have the TEs in and then found out I need radiation due to poor margins. My PS wants to finish with expansion and put the implants in before radiation. I had a hard time finding info to back this up, seemed he was the only one who did it this way. Can you please elaborate more on your experience and how you are feeling. Did your PS give you the option to do rads first and then implants? How did you make that decision? Any info would be helpful. thanks!
Oct 17, 2011 06:58PM roseamy wrote:
I had mx followed by rads I did have very bad radiation burn which left the chest muscle (as my surgeon said) like concrete.
15 months later I had an ld flap with implant done, then to fill in a couple of dips I had fat grafting, this not only softened the area and improved the cosmetic look but it also improved the radiotherapied skin.
I have since had this done again and the feel of the muscle and skin is again improved. THe surgeon has said this has improved the capsular contracture I have and I have noticed an improvement in the look of the surface of the skin, prior to this it was very thin and firm.
He did say to me when I saw him last that he fully expects to be removing implants from Ladies like me and replacing them with fat grafts (c cup) in about 5 to 10 years time, but at the moment the rate a which they could remove and treat the stem cells from the fat collected would take too long but things are moving rapidly in this area of reconsrution.
I am in England by the way.
Oct 17, 2011 08:07PM whippetmom wrote:
Rose: Thank you for sharing this. I wish that fat graft transfer was performed more of a matter of course with every rads patient, where possible, to improve the cosmetic outcome. Addressing capsular contracture is yet another potential benefit of this process.
Nov 8, 2011 10:03PM Sunone wrote:
Whippetmon, I was wondering if you would share which So Cal Kaiser and PS you have talked to about the fat grafing for radiated breast, PM would be ok if you prefer. I just saw a PS at Kaiser last night and he does not seem to want to have anything to do with my previously radiated breast, except maybe for a latflap - I had lump and rads for DCIS in the left breast two years ago and now have it again on the right side, one of my options per the BS is mx or even bmx or to do lumpectomy and rads again. Went to see the PS last night to discuss this and was not too happy with the limited options for the previous rad side, I would really be interested in talking to a PS within Kaiser that works more with radiated breasts and fat grafting.
Nov 9, 2011 06:29AM whippetmom wrote:
Sunone: Yes, Gregory Scott, MD - Kaiser Permanente in San Diego. He is a wonderful physician! I will PM you!
Nov 20, 2011 05:07PM dancetrancer wrote:
Thought you all might find this radio interview with Dr's Khouri, Coleman, and Khoobehi interesting!
Nov 21, 2011 03:38AM - edited Nov 21, 2011 03:50AM by whippetmom
Try this link:
Kamran Khoobehi, MD is the one who speaks most about the use of fat graft transfer with post-radiation patients. His portion is around the middle of the session. Dr. Khoobehi is near New Orleans, LA....
Nov 21, 2011 03:50AM whippetmom wrote:
Thank you dancetrancer!