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Topic: Breaking Research News from sources other than Breastcancer.org

Forum: Clinical Trials, Research News, Podcasts, and Study Results —

Share your research articles, interpretations and experiences here. Let us know how these studies affect you and your decisions.

Posted on: Nov 20, 2017 11:31PM - edited Nov 20, 2017 11:35PM by Lumpie

Lumpie wrote:

I watch for research news on breast cancer, treatments, etc., and frequently see interesting articles. There is a topic on BCO called "Breaking Research News from Breastcancer.org." One of the moderators suggested that another topic might be appropriate for posting links and synopses of reports on research found elsewhere. So here it is! Please post links to reports on research form reliable sources. Thanks for sharing!

"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us." "If adventures will not befall a young lady in her own village, she must seek them abroad." "Buy the ticket, take the ride." Dx 2015, DCIS/IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/13/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/14/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Dx 2017, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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Apr 30, 2021 07:26PM - edited Apr 30, 2021 07:45PM by JavaJana

I found this kind of interesting, a little more evidence that cancer isn't an entirely "modern" disease https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-cancer-medieval-britain-ten-higher.html

ETA: this too, depictions of BC in Renaissance art https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ealiest-images-breast-cancer-found-renaissance-paintings-180968325/

Xgeva 9/2/2020. History: Stage IIIc Borderline Papillary Serous Ovarian Carcinoma TAH/BSO, 0/15 nodes - 2/18/20. Benign Papilloma/ADH Left breast, excisional biopsy 10/11/2016 Dx 10/1/2019, IDC, Left, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Dx 10/23/2019, LCIS/DCIS, Right, 0/1 nodes Surgery 11/19/2019 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right Dx 3/25/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, 0/2 nodes Chemotherapy 4/8/2020 Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 4/8/2020 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Targeted Therapy 4/8/2020 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Hormonal Therapy 8/13/2020 Femara (letrozole)
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May 1, 2021 08:34AM AlabamaDee wrote:

Thanks for sharing the articles. It shows us what we are up against.

😳”But if it's the main thing in your life? Ummm, that's not probably a meaningful life.“

Oh the arrogance of such a quote. Who is this person to assume he knows what later in life activities qualify as meaningful. Just being a grandparent and great grandparent is soooo meaningful, not only for the person but for society. I could go on. 😡

I just had a conversation with an endocrinologist for a couple of issues to get her opinion. While she responded reasonably to the issues, when we discussed my weekly burst prednisone therapy that gives me tolerable QOL from my trial SE, she actually said that prednisone was just as bad as narcotics. 🙄. I won’t be going back to her.

Dee

Primary neuroendocrine breast cancer, on SERD trial ARV-471, failed Pfizer’s CDK 2/4/6 trial after 8 weeks Dx 5/23/2013, Right, 1cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 1/22 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Chemotherapy 7/29/2013 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Dx 4/2019, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER+/PR+, HER2- Targeted Therapy 10/8/2020 Radiation Therapy External Chemotherapy Doxil (doxorubicin) Targeted Therapy Afinitor (everolimus) Hormonal Therapy Faslodex (fulvestrant) Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole), Aromasin (exemestane), Fareston (toremifene), Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Faslodex (fulvestrant) Targeted Therapy Verzenio Chemotherapy Xeloda (capecitabine)
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May 1, 2021 02:39PM BlueGirlRedState wrote:

Picking an age to die by (Ezekiel J. Emanuel) makes no sense considering the wide range in health/ quality of life in all age groups. And everyone has to define that for themselves. I think back to years ago when I stopped to apologize to a bicyclist I thought I had run of the road. He told me everything was fine and that he was turning. Then he asked me to guess how old he was. Turns out he was 95!! We chatted a while. When I asked him what the secret was to such a long life, he asked me to lean in really close so that noone else would hear. "Keep breathing" he whispered. I laughed, and replied, "and a sense of humor"

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May 1, 2021 04:29PM Olma61 wrote:

wonderful interaction blue girl. And reminds me of when I was driving to my appointments pretty early on, Ariana Grande’s song used to come on the radio “Just keep breathing, breathing, breathing...”. I turned it into a mantra. And humor is definitely a plus! Love this.

10/30/2017 Xgeva for bone mets 5/31/2018 Taxol finished! "If one just keeps on walking, everything will be all right” - Kierkegaard Dx 8/3/2017, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Targeted Therapy 10/28/2017 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 10/28/2017 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 10/29/2017 Taxol (paclitaxel) Hormonal Therapy 5/14/2018 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 5/29/2019 External: Bone
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May 1, 2021 07:19PM - edited May 1, 2021 07:44PM by Springdaisy

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Dx 9/2020, ILC, Right, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Hormonal Therapy
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May 2, 2021 11:17AM Lumpie wrote:

Vaccine Therapy to Prevent Recurrences in HER2-Positive Breast Cancer

Brief interview with Lee S. Schwartzberg MD, FACP about vaccine research. Spoiler alert: seems promising. Read the transcript or listen to the narrative.

https://www.practiceupdate.com/C/117405/56?elsca1=...

{No charge to red/listen but registration may be required.}

"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us." "If adventures will not befall a young lady in her own village, she must seek them abroad." "Buy the ticket, take the ride." Dx 2015, DCIS/IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/13/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/14/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Dx 2017, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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May 2, 2021 11:24AM - edited May 2, 2021 11:24AM by Lumpie

Regarding drug approval: part of the consideration is whether the now drug is less expensive than currently available options. This seems questionable to me. We still don't fully understand why some drugs work in one patient but not in another. Patients have allergic reactions to some drugs but not others. It seems to me that having more in one's proverbial arsenal is an advantage in an of itself.

As regards an age to die: kind of silly. People's outlooks change. Think of how many people early in life practically say "broken bone? Euthanize me!" but in later life say "not so fast!." One's outlook changes with one's circumstances.

"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us." "If adventures will not befall a young lady in her own village, she must seek them abroad." "Buy the ticket, take the ride." Dx 2015, DCIS/IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/13/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/14/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Dx 2017, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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May 2, 2021 11:27AM - edited May 2, 2021 11:28AM by Lumpie

In breast, prostate cancer survivors, hormonal therapies may raise CV risk

Hormonal therapies for the treatment of breast and prostate cancers may improve survival among patients with cancer, but also may confer poor CV {cardiovascular} outcomes among survivors.

3 minute read with links.

https://www.healio.com/news/cardiology/20210428/qa...

{Access to article is free but may require registration.}

"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us." "If adventures will not befall a young lady in her own village, she must seek them abroad." "Buy the ticket, take the ride." Dx 2015, DCIS/IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/13/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/14/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Dx 2017, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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May 2, 2021 12:48PM morrigan_2575 wrote:

i refuse to register/create accounts just to read an article (pet peeve). Can someone that is already registered tell me what vaccine they're talking about for HER2+? Is it the one presented at SABCS 2020 or something else? I'm in a Moffit run Vaccine Trial, getting the DC-1 vaccine.

Dx 1/20/2020, DCIS/IDC, Right, 4cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 2/4/2020 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 2/4/2020 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Targeted Therapy 2/4/2020 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Surgery 6/18/2020 Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Dx 6/19/2020, DCIS/IDC, Right, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 1/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Targeted Therapy 7/5/2020 Kadcyla (T-DM1, ado-trastuzumab) Radiation Therapy 8/9/2020 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes, Chest wall
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May 2, 2021 01:14PM Olma61 wrote:

this is almost the whole transcript. I hope this would lead to something that helps those of us who are already MBC as well


10/30/2017 Xgeva for bone mets 5/31/2018 Taxol finished! "If one just keeps on walking, everything will be all right” - Kierkegaard Dx 8/3/2017, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Targeted Therapy 10/28/2017 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 10/28/2017 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 10/29/2017 Taxol (paclitaxel) Hormonal Therapy 5/14/2018 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 5/29/2019 External: Bone
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May 2, 2021 01:56PM morrigan_2575 wrote:

thanks!

Dx 1/20/2020, DCIS/IDC, Right, 4cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 2/4/2020 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 2/4/2020 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Targeted Therapy 2/4/2020 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Surgery 6/18/2020 Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Dx 6/19/2020, DCIS/IDC, Right, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 1/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Targeted Therapy 7/5/2020 Kadcyla (T-DM1, ado-trastuzumab) Radiation Therapy 8/9/2020 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes, Chest wall
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May 3, 2021 01:00PM moth wrote:

cancer immunotherapy & increased risk of venous embolism (blood clots)

https://www.cell.com/med/pdf/S2666-6340(21)00063-5.pdf

Roopkumar et al., Med 2, 423–434 April 9, 2021 ª 2021 Elsevier Inc. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.medj.2021.02.002

Cancer itself raises riks of blood clots. Now it seems immunotherapy treatment adds additional risk. This study found 24% of pts on immunotherapy developed embolism.

Initial dx at 50. Seriously???? “Sometimes the future changes quickly and completely and we’re left with only the choice of what to do next." blog: nevertellmetheodds2017.tumblr.... Dx 12/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 2/13/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole-breast: Breast Dx 2/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/18/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab) Chemotherapy 11/25/2020 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Radiation Therapy 12/8/2020 External Dx 12/9/2020, IDC, Right, Stage IV, metastasized to lungs, Grade 3, ER+/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Hormonal Therapy 12/15/2020 Femara (letrozole) Dx 1/28/2021, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3 Radiation Therapy 3/2/2021 External: Bone
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May 4, 2021 07:32AM - edited May 4, 2021 07:33AM by AlabamaDee

SBRT Safe for Cancer Patients With Multiple Metastases

Given the critical need, NRG Oncology NRG-BR001 trial sought to determine the safety of delivering curative-intent SBRT to patients with 3 to 4 metastases or 2 metastases within close proximity to each other.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/radiology/therapeutic...

Love the phrase curative-intent!!

Dee

Primary neuroendocrine breast cancer, on SERD trial ARV-471, failed Pfizer’s CDK 2/4/6 trial after 8 weeks Dx 5/23/2013, Right, 1cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 1/22 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Chemotherapy 7/29/2013 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Dx 4/2019, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER+/PR+, HER2- Targeted Therapy 10/8/2020 Radiation Therapy External Chemotherapy Doxil (doxorubicin) Targeted Therapy Afinitor (everolimus) Hormonal Therapy Faslodex (fulvestrant) Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole), Aromasin (exemestane), Fareston (toremifene), Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Faslodex (fulvestrant) Targeted Therapy Verzenio Chemotherapy Xeloda (capecitabine)
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May 4, 2021 04:46PM Karenfizedbo15 wrote:

woooh nice one Dee!

Surgery 9/6/2007 Lymph node removal: Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (right): Latissimus dorsi flap Dx 4/2018, IDC, Right, Stage IV, metastasized to lungs, 1/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 2021, Stage IV, metastasized to bone Chemotherapy 2/3/2021 Xeloda (capecitabine) Hormonal Therapy Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Faslodex (fulvestrant) Targeted Therapy Ibrance (palbociclib)
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May 5, 2021 08:46PM Lumpie wrote:

Cryoablation Promising for Early Breast Cancer

Almost all patients and physicians report satisfaction from cosmetic results; overall recurrence rate 2.06 percent

Cryoablation seems promising for early breast cancer and has minimal risks, according to a study presented at the annual meeting of the American Society of Breast Surgeons, held virtually from April 29 to May 2.

Richard E. Fine, M.D., from the West Cancer Center & Research Institute in Germantown, Tennessee, and colleagues examined the safety and efficacy of cryoablation for women aged 60 years and older with unifocal, ultrasound-visible invasive ductal carcinoma ≤1.5 cm in size; tumors were hormone receptor-positive, human epidermal growth factor receptor 2-negative. One hundred ninety-four patients (mean age, 75 years; mean tumor size, 7.4 mm) met the eligibility criteria and received successful cryoablation treatment per protocol, receiving a freeze-thaw-freeze cycle for 20 to 40 minutes. Patients were followed up at six months and then annually to five years.

The researchers observed no significant device-related adverse events or complications reported among the protocol-treated patients. Most adverse events were minor. Fifteen patients underwent sentinel lymph node biopsies; one had breast cancer-related positive sentinel lymph nodes, with no recurrence at 60 months of follow-up. Overall, 27, one, and 148 patients underwent adjuvant radiation, received chemotherapy, and began endocrine therapy, respectively. During the follow-up visits, more than 95 percent of patients and 98 percent of physicians reported satisfaction from the cosmetic results. Only four of the protocol-treated patients had recurred at a mean of 34.83 months of follow-up (2.06 percent overall recurrence rate).

"Cryoablation potentially represents a dramatic improvement in care for appropriate low-risk patients, and at three years' posttreatment, the ICE3 trial results are extremely positive," Fine said in a statement.

https://www.practiceupdate.com/C/117648/56?elsca1=...

https://www.breastsurgeons.org/meeting/2021/docs/p...

{Report based on presentation at the annual meeting of the American College of Breast Surgeons. Reporting and access to press release are free. While this approach was targeted to a specific subset of patients, further de-escalation of treatment and fewer side effects sure would be a plus for those able to benefit.}

"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us." "If adventures will not befall a young lady in her own village, she must seek them abroad." "Buy the ticket, take the ride." Dx 2015, DCIS/IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/13/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/14/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Dx 2017, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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May 6, 2021 12:49PM moth wrote:

This is the second recent study to come out showing BETTER breast cancer survival from lumpectomy + rads than from mastectomy

"The cohort included all women diagnosed as having primary invasive T1-2 N0-2 breast cancer and undergoing breast surgery in Sweden from 2008 to 2017"

almost 50,000 Swedish pts

"Breast conservation seems to offer a survival benefit independent of measured confounders and should be given priority if both breast conservation and mastectomy are valid options."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fulla...


My editorial comment: We urgently need to add this evidence into discussions of pt decision making about surgery. My perception is still that too many pts make a non evidence based decision, and that a system which financially rewards surgeon + cosmetic surgeons teams for more aggressive surgery might be contributing to poorer outcomes for women.

Initial dx at 50. Seriously???? “Sometimes the future changes quickly and completely and we’re left with only the choice of what to do next." blog: nevertellmetheodds2017.tumblr.... Dx 12/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 2/13/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole-breast: Breast Dx 2/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/18/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab) Chemotherapy 11/25/2020 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Radiation Therapy 12/8/2020 External Dx 12/9/2020, IDC, Right, Stage IV, metastasized to lungs, Grade 3, ER+/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Hormonal Therapy 12/15/2020 Femara (letrozole) Dx 1/28/2021, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3 Radiation Therapy 3/2/2021 External: Bone
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May 7, 2021 09:06AM santabarbarian wrote:

moth you are right. So many women are afraid to keep their breast; a knee jerk fear.

pCR after neoadjuvant chemo w/ integrative practices; Proton rads. Dx 7/13/2018, IDC, Left, 3cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- (FISH) Chemotherapy 8/13/2018 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 12/27/2018 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 2/11/2019 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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May 7, 2021 11:44AM Lumpie wrote:

I, too, have talked with SO many friends, colleagues... even medical professionals.... who automatically assume that a mastectomy is more effective. I hope that better information gets to the people who need it. Part of the problem is that people are often obliged to make a decision quickly and with inadequate information. It can also be difficult to get insurance coverage to correct post-partial cosmetic issues. I wonder if this may impact some patient decisions.

"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us." "If adventures will not befall a young lady in her own village, she must seek them abroad." "Buy the ticket, take the ride." Dx 2015, DCIS/IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/13/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/14/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Dx 2017, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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May 7, 2021 01:21PM buttonsmachine wrote:

I completely agree that this information needs to be made known to newly diagnosed patients.

Will BCO be making content on this? I hope so.

Unfortunately the mastectomy vs lumpectomy w/radiation decision is often made when people are in the shock and awe phase, and under pressure to act quickly. To make matters worse, I think our culture of celebrity plastic surgery leads a few women to believe that they will get Hollywood results from their reconstruction, which is just not usually the case when it comes to breast cancer.

My personal opinion (having done both surgeries, and lived with the consequences) is that unless it is medically necessary for some reason, a mastectomy should not generally be offered when a lumpectomy with radiation is a viable alternative. Just my opinion! I know others will disagree, and that's okay.

Diagnosed at 32. Local recurrences one year later, probably due to needle seeding at inital biopsy. Now dealing with MBC. Dx 8/2016, IDC, Right, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 10/1/2016 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 11/1/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Radiation Therapy 2/1/2017 Whole-breast Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2017 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Dx 10/2017, IDC, Right, Grade 3, 2/12 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 11/1/2017 Lymph node removal; Mastectomy: Right Chemotherapy 12/1/2017 AC Surgery 4/1/2018 Lymph node removal; Mastectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 5/1/2018 External: Lymph nodes, Chest wall Chemotherapy 7/1/2018 Xeloda (capecitabine) Hormonal Therapy 7/30/2018 Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 2/1/2019 Aromasin (exemestane) Hormonal Therapy 9/30/2019 Faslodex (fulvestrant) Dx 8/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/other, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Targeted Therapy 8/30/2020 Ibrance (palbociclib) Dx 1/2021, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs Chemotherapy 1/15/2021 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Gemzar (gemcitabine)
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May 7, 2021 02:20PM LaughingGull wrote:

I posted about this in another thread but will repeat here, since here is where this discussion is getting more traction. I don't think we know enough of why patients choose one option or the other to conclude that there is this widespread, uninformed, knee-jerk decision process. It is not unreasonable to want a breast (or both) removed after a breast cancer diagnosis. That was my case, I had very dense breast tissue that rendered any screening, including 3D mammograms and MRIs, completely useless. Also, we don't know the reasons for the better outcomes in that study, and it could be that radiation is behind the better outcomes, and which surgery one chooses, lumpectomy or mastectomy, is irrelevant, and that what should be reviewed is when to offer radiation. I am very happy I had a mastectomy. Down the road I chose to have a prophylactic one on the non cancer side. For one thing, I went through 20+ years of useless cancer screening, and I am happy I will never get another mammogram. We shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.

ACx4, THPx4, HP (to complete 1y); Nerlynx (1y); AI (expected 10y), Surgery: BMX + ALND, Reconstruction, Oophorectomy. Radiation. Dx 10/26/2017, IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 2/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC)
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May 7, 2021 02:51PM buttonsmachine wrote:

LaughingGull, I do think that situations like yours where screenings risk being ineffective or too burdensome can be good reasons to opt for a mastectomy. It's certainly not a one size fits all matter.

As an aside, I think you raise an interesting point that if the radiation is in fact responsible for the better overall survival, maybe radiation should be offered after some mastectomies, where it currently is not, as you say.

Diagnosed at 32. Local recurrences one year later, probably due to needle seeding at inital biopsy. Now dealing with MBC. Dx 8/2016, IDC, Right, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 10/1/2016 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 11/1/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Radiation Therapy 2/1/2017 Whole-breast Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2017 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Dx 10/2017, IDC, Right, Grade 3, 2/12 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 11/1/2017 Lymph node removal; Mastectomy: Right Chemotherapy 12/1/2017 AC Surgery 4/1/2018 Lymph node removal; Mastectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 5/1/2018 External: Lymph nodes, Chest wall Chemotherapy 7/1/2018 Xeloda (capecitabine) Hormonal Therapy 7/30/2018 Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 2/1/2019 Aromasin (exemestane) Hormonal Therapy 9/30/2019 Faslodex (fulvestrant) Dx 8/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/other, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Targeted Therapy 8/30/2020 Ibrance (palbociclib) Dx 1/2021, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs Chemotherapy 1/15/2021 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Gemzar (gemcitabine)
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May 7, 2021 03:28PM moth wrote:

Just to be clear that study compared 3 groups.

Lumpectomy + rads had better outcomes than mx + rads. Mx - rads was worst.

Certainly there are many other reasons why someone might want a mx.

Initial dx at 50. Seriously???? “Sometimes the future changes quickly and completely and we’re left with only the choice of what to do next." blog: nevertellmetheodds2017.tumblr.... Dx 12/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 2/13/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole-breast: Breast Dx 2/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/18/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab) Chemotherapy 11/25/2020 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Radiation Therapy 12/8/2020 External Dx 12/9/2020, IDC, Right, Stage IV, metastasized to lungs, Grade 3, ER+/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Hormonal Therapy 12/15/2020 Femara (letrozole) Dx 1/28/2021, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3 Radiation Therapy 3/2/2021 External: Bone
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May 7, 2021 03:32PM - edited May 7, 2021 03:33PM by LaughingGull

The truth is, we don't know the cause for the better outcomes, right? Not clear from the study.

I was offered radiation after the mastectomy. There is some criteria for radiation post-mastectomy (which I dont remember precisely but related to how widespread the cancer was) and I qualified. Insurance didn't complain.

ACx4, THPx4, HP (to complete 1y); Nerlynx (1y); AI (expected 10y), Surgery: BMX + ALND, Reconstruction, Oophorectomy. Radiation. Dx 10/26/2017, IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 2/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC)
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May 7, 2021 03:38PM LillyIsHere wrote:

The outcomes are regarding deaths from recurrence and it doesn't include deaths from heart damage from radiation. I belong to the group of women who asked to have BMX for several reasons that are unique for me (us): difficult to read mammograms of very dense breast, to avoid radiation on the left side next to the heart to avoid future heart disease, to reduce anxiety for future 6 months scans, to reduce local recurrence in the other breast, etc. So, there is no size fits all.



“Within five years, cancer will have been removed from the list of fatal maladies.” That was the optimistic promise to U.S. President William Howard Taft in 1910 when he visited Buffalo’s Gratwick Laboratory, “What’s taking so long?” Dx 7/31/2019, ILC, Left, <1cm, Stage IIA, 2/5 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 9/19/2019 Lymph node removal: Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Prophylactic ovary removal; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Hormonal Therapy 11/30/2019 Femara (letrozole)
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May 7, 2021 04:43PM moth wrote:

clarifying further, this study looked at both breast cancer specific mortality & overall mortality so damage from radiation would also have been captured

Initial dx at 50. Seriously???? “Sometimes the future changes quickly and completely and we’re left with only the choice of what to do next." blog: nevertellmetheodds2017.tumblr.... Dx 12/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 2/13/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole-breast: Breast Dx 2/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/18/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab) Chemotherapy 11/25/2020 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Radiation Therapy 12/8/2020 External Dx 12/9/2020, IDC, Right, Stage IV, metastasized to lungs, Grade 3, ER+/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Hormonal Therapy 12/15/2020 Femara (letrozole) Dx 1/28/2021, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3 Radiation Therapy 3/2/2021 External: Bone
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May 7, 2021 05:06PM - edited May 7, 2021 05:08PM by Lumpie

I thought I would post this caveat re post-op mammograms:

"Mammograms will be recommended if you had a special type of mastectomy called nipple-sparing mastectomy, also known as subcutaneous mastectomy. In this surgery, you keep your nipple and the tissue just under the skin. Enough breast tissue remains to warrant the continued use of screening mammograms.

"Breast MRI is another and possibly more effective way to screen women who have had breast reconstruction and are at high risk for recurrence."

Obviously, your care team should be providing guidance on on-going screening, but recommendations change so it is good to go in "forearmed" with up to date research and recommendations, especially if you are high risk or have had a more complex case or surgery and have been transitioned back to your PCP for post-early stage care.

Source: https://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/testing/type...

PS: I knew I had read about post-mastectomy mammograms so I went searching for when those were recommended. It must be the particular subset noted above. Surgical options change... recommendations change.... take care & stay healthy out there!

"We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us." "If adventures will not befall a young lady in her own village, she must seek them abroad." "Buy the ticket, take the ride." Dx 2015, DCIS/IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/13/2016 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/14/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Dx 2017, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Surgery Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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May 7, 2021 05:35PM Aram wrote:

Survival is not the only criteria when choosing MX vs lumpectomy. I have extremely dense breasts. I have been going through regular (every 6 months) ultrasounds for the last couple of years and at the end I found the tumor myself. I don't want to have to go through this ever again and so MX is the best choice in my case. I don't believe choosing either approach should be restricted.

Dx at 40 Dx 2/5/2021, IDC, Left, 1cm, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Dx 2/5/2021, IDC, Left, 3cm, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 3/10/2021 AC
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May 7, 2021 06:34PM - edited May 7, 2021 06:34PM by LaughingGull

Went back to the study and indeed, it says that lumpectomy + rads had better outcomes than mx + rads. My bad. However, it also says: "It remains unclear whether this is an independent effect or a consequence of selection bias"

ACx4, THPx4, HP (to complete 1y); Nerlynx (1y); AI (expected 10y), Surgery: BMX + ALND, Reconstruction, Oophorectomy. Radiation. Dx 10/26/2017, IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 2/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC)
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May 7, 2021 08:10PM LillyIsHere wrote:

Thank you Lumpie. I had a nipple-sparing mastectomy and my doctors told me I no longer need mammograms. I should ask on the next appointment. I wonder what other women like me are recommended.

“Within five years, cancer will have been removed from the list of fatal maladies.” That was the optimistic promise to U.S. President William Howard Taft in 1910 when he visited Buffalo’s Gratwick Laboratory, “What’s taking so long?” Dx 7/31/2019, ILC, Left, <1cm, Stage IIA, 2/5 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 9/19/2019 Lymph node removal: Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Prophylactic ovary removal; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Hormonal Therapy 11/30/2019 Femara (letrozole)
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May 8, 2021 04:51AM Rah2464 wrote:

Lilly I also had a nipple sparing mastectomy, and no one has mentioned getting a mammogram at all. I have had one MRI however but that was related to determining an issue with a neuroma. I, too, had extremely dense tissue, cancer on left side close to chest wall. I really didn't want the radiation, although I knew it was still on the table depending on margins. I would love to be able to see more of the data from this study. As a previous poster stated it may be the radiation itself is the key driver. Thanks, Moth, for sharing this.

Dx 5/23/2018, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 6/27/2018 Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Hormonal Therapy 7/27/2018 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)

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