Bottle o Tamoxifen

lisa-e

j414, it never would have occured to me to write thank you letters to any of my doctors. I think your friend is wrong - while thank you notes to doctors aren't necessary, if you feel moved to write one, the timing doesn't matter.

Rachel_BC

Hey ladies- just to start with a bit of an aside... about why I am soooo off-topic.  I am REALLY irritated even now when my friends or even my therapist after finding out I started Tamox ask the reasonable questions, "So, do you feel any different?  Got any Side Effects?  Have you started hot flashing yet..."  yada yada yada yada. My thinking is STFU already, that's not helping to scrutinize how I feel, if I am feeling OK, then let me not obsess about it, because, as I said in my Xanax stupor, I am HIGHLY suggestible.  Helena's nits are like the perfect example.  Like, I am hoping NOT to get the side effects, and I don't want to go looking for trouble.  I remember all the times in the last 3 months when I thought I had different SEs and had to remind myself that I wasn't even on Tamoxifen yet....  Reality check: I am NOT saying there are not bona fide SEs that different people are experiencing, this aint about me passing judgment on another BC patient, but about me trying to keep my own whacked self whacked the way I worked.

I nearly posted about a rash I have on one inner elbow, about being constipated, being sick to my stomach, but first I wanted to try the "normal" fixes I would try pre-Tamox.  Everything is fine so far, and I am just going to try and keep ignoring it.  Since we all watch a lot of House, its like that episode with the guy whose right brain and left brain didn't know what the other one is doing.  I'l trying to keep this a secret from myself.  So, for anyone reading this who is wondering why I am going on and on about apple recipes and everything under the sun except Tamox, that's the story.  Thanks!

 

kimmergal- before I say anything else, I just gotta know, did your ass fall asleep while you were reading 157 pages of this freaking thread?  Good golly gal.  I read a whole bunch before I posted, but not the whole freaking thing!!!!!  OK second, CONGRATULATIONS for completing the 5 years!  And for putting up with all those SEs wow!  OK as to your question I can see why you'd be asking.  For one thing, no way to know if those SEs were from Tamox or if they were menopausal/change of life stuff that would have happened anyway.  But... since you are "convinced" that Tamox "changes your metabolism, makes you hungry for sweets, and tired"

then I say at this point *remain convinced*.  A month from now when you go off Tamox, every time you feel like turning down your usual sweet extravagance, tell yourself you no longer have that craving because you aren't on Tamox.  If you feel like taking on some new exercise, tell yourself it's because you are free of the Tamox-related tiredness.  Revel in the return of your metabolism the way you like it and support it's return and all the good things you want to do.  You may never know if it was Tamox, but who cares if you get your energy back and eat better and launch into the next years of your life healthier than ever!  (Just please, don't tell the rest of us just starting our Tamoxride that we're sentenced to these kind of SEs, even if it turns out to be true, it doesn't help to know.)   And do let us know how its going?  We love to hear from Tamoxialumnae

 

j414- wow I want your RAD ONC, and especially your GYNO!  I wrote valentines cards to all the docs I saw that day in January, the ones who helped me through the insane MRI bitch, and for the insane MRI bitch I sent her a copy of the great blues CD in the hopes that she'd make it available as an alternative to that frikin James Taylor CD (hey, JT fans, it's just not what you want to hear in the MRI when they are checking for cancer, OK?) because it was around Valnetines day, but my delivery has been sporadic.  I finally got the one to my radiologist thanking her for finding my cancer, and I still have the one for my ENT, who helped me breathe through the second MRI, I forgot to bring it to my check up.  I don't think any of the doctors expect thank you notes, I could be wrong. 

I keep meaning to send one of the edible fruit flower arrangements to my radiologists office, and I checked at my exam if that's something they'd enjoy.  (Who knows, it could be a waste of money if no one likes the fruit or it's delivered on a day they're off).

I'm curious what others say- and then again, your situation is special.  

Overall, I disagree with your friend, its never a bad thing to do something nice.  And besides, everyone knows you've been a bit busy since DX...  I say go for it

Also on the CYP test, I can't see how its a bad thing per se to take the test, especially the saliva test, no blood draw... the only bad thing about taking it might be if it says you are not a good metabolizer, sometimes its wrong and then you'd be denied the ability to take it when it seems to be a really great thing to take, and better than the alternatives.  The doc is good, and comes from this team you love, maybe it will just say you're a good 'ol metabolizer and that's the end of that trouble.  Am I missing something?

My step mom also said she had no menopause symptoms and she's also constantly cold, and the fights between her and my Dad about the thermostat- he can't sleep when it's hot, she can't sleep when it's "cold"- nearly broke them up.  I had to referee. She's also a skinny one.

Did your Mom also take Tamoxifen?

 

About the wand... seems to me it hurt a lot less when my (male) reproductive endocrinologist did it than when my (female) RE used it.  Think there's a point to be made there?  Oh for crying out loud, I wanna hear all the naughty comments about the wand.  How could anything either of you say possibly be worse than the stuff I say here????

 

Now to the applesauce... OK, for one thing, my kid eats Earth's Best Apple Sauce every day.  Its adorable, I peel back the foil on the cup and hand it to him and he slurps it out.  Its a ritual. It's also really convenient when we go out or travel, so I want to keep that up.  Another thing, one nanny made this cooked apple thing, chunks of apples and peaches and the kid loved it.  I froze her stuff in ice cube trays.  Then I tried to make it myself.  No go.  She assured me she hadn't used sugar or honey but I wasn't watching so I don't know, and I am firing her so its hard to ask her how she did it... the other nanny tried and hers also was rejected.  My kid loves apples, he eats them from a feeder since forever.  So I tried giving him an apple chunk. Refused.  I cut it into itty bitty bits.  No go.  I put it in the cuisinart, NO GO. I was afraid he'd stopped eating apples, and we had our first real set to about this, a bad scene in mommy land.

Finally I sorted things out, I put the apple back in the feeder and he was happy.  His other nanny actually shaved an apple with a spoon and fed him the shavings (she's crazy and I adore her).  He's 19 months and has all of his teeth and is a WONDERFUL eater, never had a problem until I tried to get him to eat the freakin apples.  In fact he eats everything every nanny makes for him- but he wouldn't eat my cooking!  Crushing.  I baked some yams last week and no matter what i did, he wouldn't eat them. Even when I cusinarted them with butter and milk like mashed potatoes, no sale.  I am pretty sure he ate the sweet potatoes from the jar when he was an infant.  The book says that even though they have teeth they dont actually learn to grind food until they are about 4 (and I have friends whose kids have been chewing chicken drumsticks since they were 9 months old, go figure) so I thought I was a real smarty pants when I gave him a big slice of watermelon.  He loved it.  We fed him a ton of watermelon, which i thought was giving him nice chewing practice with no danger of choking, and getting a lot of water into him.  That did work, but I noticed last week he had the beginnings of a rash on his face, and he also started screaming when he had his morning orange.  I looked that up and it could be teething, and the acid from the orange stinging the inside of his mouth, and the rash on his cheeks could have come from saliva, either from teething or from chowing on big slices of watermelon that wrapped around his face while he's eating it.

Today I figured out how the fired nanny got carrots into his mashed potatoes.  (Carrot shavings cooked in butter until tender, then whipped in the cuisinart with butter and milk and boiled potatos).  He ate it!  Major victory for me.  Now I have a couple things I can cook for him myself that he'll eat. Whew.

So... what I want is like apple pie filling.  That analogy just popped into my head, that's what the ex-nanny's stuff was like.  Not so much goo, but that size and consistency of apples. Just going real easy with the sugar.  So from what y'all have said and what I have read, I think I can get that my putting the pieces in a sauce pan with just enough water to cover?  

 

Many thanks!!!! 

lisa-e

Rachel, if you want to make something like apple pie filling, but without the crust, I think that you could put some sliced apples in a baking dish, with a small amount of sugar and what every spices you want, cover and bake (325 degrees or so?). Putting apples in a sauce pan with water will get you something mushier - like applesauce.



We had a rule when my kid was little - "eat it and shut up about it or don't eat it and shut up about it." It worked, he would eat most everything. So my advice is don't cater to the kid too much - cook stuff in different ways and if he doesn't want to eat something doen't worry about it. He won't starve. Appetites vary . . . I remember times when my kid wouldn't eat much and other times when he was constantly hungry, especially the summer he grew six inches. He had to eat every two hours, like a baby, or he would have a major melt down.

LeggyJ

Hi bcamnb,

I'm an Intermediate metabolizer, an we just fall somewhere in the middle.  My Onc. just said tamoxifen is the only thing standing between me and cancer, for the next five years.  So I take it.

Rachel, I'll I'm gonna say is I almost fainted when the gyno. held that wand up  like it was a gun and she was about to shoot.....OMG

j414, when I had what I thought was my last visit with my surgeon, I gave him a thank you card, just before he walked out the door.  I loved him, he is the best doctor I've ever had....but the others, I just haven't felt that close to.  But I think about sending something to the chemo. nurses all the time, but just don't get around to it.  Anytime is a good time, to say thank you.  The best way to say thank you, to the girls is with candy, and they share.

Take it easy,

LeggyJ

Oh and Wolfie is a black Schnauzer.  He's a big mini. People always ask if he's a standard, but he thinks he's a Rottweiler 

HelenaJ

Good morning everyone,

J414 - I delivered chocolates to my nurses after my bilat-mast (and of course none of them were on duty at the time) but nothing for my Docs as I am still seeing them on a regular basis - professionally of course LOL!!  I also sent a card to the U/sound guy after I had my initial biopsy - I will never forget him EVER.  People don't have to be that compassionate and kind - he was. 

Leggy - great news, that's what we like to hear.  Love the photo.

Kimmergal - I too read the entire thread when I first started - mind you it was before all us loony tunes started so it was half this size!!!!!!!!!  And congrats on being nearly through with Tamoxifen - how terrific is that.  I have met quite a few women now with SFBC and who took tam or an AI and they are all the shapes under the sun - but I figure they were all different shapes to begin with.  It will be great to hear how you go over the next few months if your quality of life is improved. One month and counting - I am so excited for you.

Brenda - I loved your last post.  I'm so sorry you have had this SFBC three times, I didn't know. SFBC SFBC SFBC.  I don't like to tell people I have SFBC and I have to work through that but I think it is because I don't want that to be who I am.  Told a lady at my DDs new school the other day - couldn't believe I did that ...  I'm thinking that is a good thing.  Such is life.

Getting my stitches out of my new fipples today - have been on antibiotics due to an infection .. so should be interesting.  5 minute job and I have to drive an hour there and an hour back.  Sigh.

Lisa-e - loved your comment about the kids and eating.  One thing I have learnt over the years (especially with school lunches) is that if they are hungry they'll eat it.  My DH is an amazing cook and my DDs always try everything.

Rachel - I too tried everything under the sun with my first DD and she drove me insane - mainly because I hate cooking.  I would get sooo cranky with her, poor thing.  Now at 10 she is my little eating machine - and a skinny little thing.

Oh well, time to get the day started.

Have a great day/nite everyone

Helena xx

kookiesmom

Kfinnigan, helena, rachel,prayrv, patmom, brenda - Thanks for the kind words of encouragement girls - It means alot to me that you ladies were there for me.  Sorry if I missed anyone but everytime I flipped back to the previous page I lost my post!  I was feeling the love and hugs so Thanks!   I  am feeling better about the cyst situation and will just take the US report to my Onc. and see what she says.  I am sure it is like a couple of you said - once you have had cancer everything gets tested to the nth degree.  And that is how it should be but it doesn't mean we have to like it.  I don't know how "up" on things my gyno is anyway.  I was thinking while he was doing mybreast exam - doesn't he realize he is checking my implants for lumps?! Force of habit I guess.  I think he just over reacted to all the cysts.  My onc. is going to give me better answers than the gyno and I  will get back on track again!  My leg is feeling better though I  still have to baby it a bit.  I am supposed to go back to work on Tuesday as Monday is a holiday for my boss.  I really miss walking my Kookie!  Some day I'll figure out how to get her picture on here!

Leggy - congrats on your biopsy results!  Glad it was a happy ending.  Oh geez now I am thinking about that wand again ; ) 

I didn't think the TVUS was painful.  A little uncomfortable when she probed  the right side but that is cause of the cysts.  Someone said they had a male technician?  I think I would have been really embarrassed.  But I had a lady and she just handed it to me and said put this in and viola a whole new world was unveiled on the big HD tv on the wall.  With all kinds of pretty colors that looked like a weather report.  Plus it was dark in the room and I had a drape over me.No wine or soft music but it was early.   Not that I am looking forward to my next date with Mr. Wand but I can think of plenty worse things I have had done to me(us) over the past year!  The dye injections for the Sentinel node biopsy should be outlawed!

Helena - I watched the movie Australia this afternoon and thought of you.  What a long movie but I liked it.

Rachel - sorry I can't help you much in the apple department.  I just eat them like crazy this time of year cause they are so good. I used to nuke chopped up apples in the microwave to make applesauce for my babies.  I don't remember the recipe but I do remember that it was yummy.  It was good with cinnamon!

Take care and heres to a good week coming up for all of us!

PatMom

Rachel, way back in high school home ec, we learned that when you cook apples, if you add sugar at the start of the cooking process, the apple keeps its shape.  If you don't add sugar, you get applesauce (which you can then add sugar to).  So, if the nanny cooked apples that stayed as pieces of apples, she added some sugar (maybe in the form of a sweet fruit juice instead of water).

jezzy234

Hello all- I hope I can join the BOttle o Tamoxifen train.  I am 5 weeks into in and I seem to encounter fewer hot flashes than I did during rads, though I can't seem to lose the 8 pounds I put on during chemo/rad.  I have a hot flash a day-whoopee- but I wonder  if ses are coming?  I certainly what the pill to work.  I have read some posts and other web surfing data that claim no ses mean tamoxifen isn't working....Am I still experiencing chemo fog or is there some validty to that???????? 

kfinnigan

Leggy, CONGRATS on the negative biopsy sampling and hurray to some fun time with Mr. Wand ! LOL!!  Your avatar is so cute!!!  And what a sweet ex you have, how thoughtful!

Carollynn, you guys are amazing with all your homemade goodies!

Helena, sorry about your football team!  My team (football here, not rugby like there lost in the last 12 seconds today...total BUMMER!  Long drive for the fipple appt.!  Are you happy with them, I know you said they were kinda large, did they calm down yet??  Are the lice all gone now?  What a drag. 

kookiesmom, glad your leg is feeling better.I had to laugh at your gyno doing an exam on your implants....oh brother!!!!!!!!!!

So ladies, is the CYP216 test a blood test?  Is there a certain time to take it or you can take it anytime? 

Ok, having a hot flash, I gotta go.  The laptop is on my legs and heat from it is making me sweaty.

Rachel, did you make the apple 'stuff' yet??

Watching all my girlie shows now.  We were playing in the mountains of Lake Tahoe for the past 2 nights and lemme tell ya, is is so beautiful there!!  Tunin' in later gators!  xoxo

hugs to all

AllieM22

Leggy--so glad to hear you got good results on your biopsy! (NO wonder it hurt if it was actually a biopsy.) ALso--I love schnauzers. We had one growing up and my parents have one now--both minis. I like the bigger ones though too. Can you bring him when we meet up?? Love to meet Wolfie! Although then Rachel will really be jealous...!

KookiesMom--sending good thoughts your way!

J414--I think I was too wrapped up with my situation to send notes to my drs--but I still see them. I did make cookies and deliver to my rad nurses/techs since I saw them everyday and wouldn 't see them after that...but I'm sure the drs will appreciate a note. I'm sure they don't get them very often!  

Rachel_BC

jrg- you are experiencing open-mouth-say-something-stoopid-about-tamoxifen syndrome (not you, the other people who claim that no SE's means its not working).  Helena is busy getting the stitches out of her fipples or she'd tell you she has no SE's and then to the CYP2D6 (?) test and it showed she was a big "metabolizer".  Although the test is controversial too, but bottom line, 13K women in the trial, half on Tamox, half on placebo, and this before anyone knew about testing for CYP2D6 or anything like that, so the half taking Tamox were doing so much better they had to call off the trial because it wasn't fair to the placebo gals.  And you do have the Hot Flashes, even though you had them before... hard to tell if they arae Tamox HF or Chemo HF or menopause...  Jeez those Tamoxihaters will say anything to mess with our minds, they tell us the SEs are soooo horrible and then they say if we don't get the SEs its not working... 

And be careful where you are surfing... some very convincing authentic-looking sites are total BS.  Usually they are selling an "alternative" remedy or are fronting for such a company.

Welcome to the Tamoxitrain!

kookiesmom- "And that is how it should be but it doesn't mean we have to like it."

beautifully put! My sentinel node ink injection was a total breeze- but your TVUS sounds more like going to see the new Star Trek movie than any TVUS I had!  Did you see them selling popcorn and candy in the lobby?  

All- my kid eats everything- except what I cook.  But I'm gettin there...

Patmom- thanks for the tip, and I am still putting together what everyone said to make my grand recipe- keep the good tips coming please!!! 

Rachel_BC

quickie for kari- we're cross posting again... you can  get the test from a cheek swab:

http://store.genelex.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=53 

 Allie- you just love teasing me b/c I cant get out there for the big NoCal girls meet, and Wolfie too AUGHHHHHH! 

PattiB

I just read the ingredients of "I can't believe it's not butter spray" and Smart Butter (recommended by Bob Green, Dr. Oz of Oprah fame, and found they both contain soy lecethin.  Now I'm more confused - is that allowed or not?  Guess I'll have to ask at my "Survivor" appt. on Friday.  So much reading since my last post - I just had to skim.  I'm way to A.D.D. to read this much.

Have a great Monday - I'm off til Tuesday.  3 day weekends are great.

LeggyJ

Hi Ladies,

Thanks for the well wishes!  Allie, I can't bring Wolfie, against the rules, for everyone except VIP's...Sorry Rachel...just a little tease.

Harley44

...hi everyone...   I haven't been on bc.org for awhile... hope you are all doing great.

Well... looks like maybe only 75 more pills left for me...   cause in Dec, I see my onc again, and maybe switching to an AI...   just have to see how everything goes....

Hugs to all...

love ya!

Harley

kfinnigan

Rach, thanks for posting the correct term for the metabolizing tamox test.  I couldn't remember it and was too lazy to look for it!!

PattiB, ask at your survivor appt cause I'm interested in what they say.  I remember asking my onc months ago about may and dressing, etc. and she said "oh that's different, you don't have to worry about that..."  but I can't remember now the ingredients we were talking about.  Enjoy your Monday off!

Well, we can always smuggle Wolfie in or disguise him....jk!!  poor wolfie...

kfinnigan

Hi Harley, I didn't see your post.  So how long have you been on Tamox??

kookiesmom

Rachel - I am glad you brought up Star Trek cause it made me remember the whole reason I went to the gyno in the 1st place!  I have this really weird feeling in my lower abdomen.  It feels like fluttering - kind of like when a baby first starts moving around.  I keep saying it feels like a little alien baby is in there kicking my uterus or bladder.  The gyno says its probably my bowels.  But if it was gas why would it always be in the same spot and feel the same?  I think I know what gas feels like at my age.  Its not painful just uncomfortable sometimes. I think it is muscle spasms.  So has anyone had this?  Or does anyone know what the gestation period  is for an alien baby?!!!  That is it - I am not gonna post anymore about this wacko body of mine...

Rachel_BC

kookiesmom you HAVE to keep posting... who else could come up with a reasonable explanation for what Star Trek made her go to see the gyno and Tamoxigas in the same post?  I am ROTLMAOPIMP! Oh is there a new and special gas we get as we get to be this age as well as ALL the other fun stuff?  Because believe me, if its gas, my whole family has it.  I think it's your uterus giving you the finger.

prayrv

Harley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just read your post - I don't post much either lately but was thinking about you.  I finished 2 years on tamox tonight!!!  Starting year 3 tomorrow!.  I have some minor se's but so far all survivable.  I'm having a follow up TVUS on Thursday to monitor my ovarian cysts and fibroids.  Other than that, doing great.  I'll tell all about the saline filled TVUS when time allows.  Going to bed.

Hugs to all,

Trish

Mary22

Jess, take a seat and enjoy the ride, sorry you had to join our club. We are a very fun bunch of gals, so we should make the ride interesting to say the least.

Ok so I spent the day doing absolutely nothing. I got mad at dh and kids, so I went to Walmart( I needed milk and sudafed). I then went to Mickey D's and got a carmel sundae,don't tell the kids. When I got home everyone was happy to see me. Ok, so I do npt know if problems w/dh are do to him or me. I have been irritable, but he has been miserable. My son has adhd and he is too hard on him. He can not seem to understand that clean to a military man and clean to an 11 yr old are 2 different things, much less an 11 yr old going through puberty w/ adhd and who is just naturally unorganized. Of course DH has had problems cleaning up after himself too. Sorry totally off subject., Just venting a bit.

I have been watching football, the Detroit Lions finally won a football game!!!!!!! Yesterday USF, beat FSU( I graduated from USF in 92 before they had a football team). And the Colts just beat the Cardinals, Yes I am a football junkie! Again off subject.

Oh I do remember someone mentioning about Tamoxifen making them tired and crave sweets, well me too.!!!!!!!!! I have always liked chocolate, but never really craved sweets, salty foods were always more my forte. Now I want Swedish Fish and pop, or icecream w/ carmel topping. When I was preggers, I always craved Wendy's FrenchFries with extra salt, not sweets.

Okay another possible se here. Has anyone had problems w/ their fingernails? I have never had long nails, but I had always had smooth nails and strong nails. Now they have ridges and seem to be thinner.?????? 

Also at our ages, how can we be so sure that all the problems we have are related to tamoxifen and not t=just the natural aging process. I mean I am only 21, but for the rest of you on the train. I meant to say 21 for the second time, LOL!!!! I try to find other reasons for any possible se's, because first I do not want to scare anyone or jump to any conclusions about anything, because so far any se's I have experienced have been very managable!

Have a great week.

HelenaJ

Mary - well said.  I was a loopy loo nut case before I even got SFBC and to be honest tamoxifen has made my life easier as far as loopy looness goes.  Had a bumpy start but all is good now.  The lice saga the other day just reminds me that I have hardly any bad side fx from this pill, even being an Extensive Metaboliser and when something goes wrong it is easy to point the finger.  I used to point it at my DH but it is easier now to blame SFBC.  I also hardly ever used to have a piece of cake when I was out with my friends but now I usually do, not because I crave it but because I damn well deserve it!!!!!!

And ahh yes the ageing process - just being told you have SFBC ages you 10 years I reckon.  I'm 47 and I'm sure I am supposed to be looking a little scary regardless of tamoxifen.   I have also noticed with all my stop starting exercise and being restricted for so many weeks month after month - the less exercise I do the more aches pains and whinges I have.  It is so important to stimulate the brain but also to stimulate your joints and muscles.  Easier said than done I know, I've been there.

Alien gestation ... hehehehehe

... and Mary speaking of aliens .. how freaky is that ... I now have one fingernail with a ridge .. maybe it will light up and I will have to phone home.

Fipples are OK - I'm going topless around the house to let them get some air at the moment ..... (sorry TMI)  and I have made a tentative date for my replay on my exchange surgery (to get rid of the squeak) for December.    Meeerrryyy Xmmmmasss. 

Mary22

Helena, I bet your dh is enjoying seeing you walking around topless!!!!!!!!!

HelenaJ

DH at work, kids at school - just my cats and dog - still have steri strips and swelling so it ain't quite the pretty picture yet ...   Once again supposed to be house cleaning but keep getting drawn back ..hhheeeeeellllllllllllllllppppppppp !

Mary22

Yeah I should in bed, but I too keep getting drawn back HHHHHEEEEELLLLPPPPP!!!!

Harley44

kari,

In November, it will be 2 years for me on Tamoxifen.  It hasn't been too rough a ride lately, but summer 2008, I had to have a TVUS, and a D & C, for some bleeding issues, brought on by the Tamoxifen.  So I am only too happy to maybe be getting a break from it. 

Hey Trish!!
Hi!!  How are you doing??  so, you had a TVUS, too?  Seems to be the norm for us Tamoxifen gals...   It is hard to believe that it's almost been two years since I started riding the Tamoxi train!

I'm doing ok, except for this darn Fatigue!  It's really been getting me down lately.  I'm seeing my primary care dr. tomorrow, and hoping to get something to help me with the fatigue. 

Hugs,

Harley

kfinnigan

Mary, what the heck is Swedish Fish?  I'm having fingernail issues but I was told its a late effect from the Taxol chemo...so you didn't have chemo, maybe it is Tamox??  hmmmmmmm  But I have noticed mine are really growing fast along with my crazy hair!! 

Helena, so you have to do ANOTHER SF surgery on your ta tas?  Are they going to change them out or fill them more?  All the stopping and starting has to wreak havoc on your psyche, as far as the exercising goes, makes you go stir crazy!  And we may be 47 but we aren't supposed to look scary, we are supposed to look FABULOUS! LOL!!  Just watched that show Cougar Town with Courtney Cox last night (recorded it) and she looks fabulous!!  And I watched Desperate Houseweives, and they all look fabulous, ok...going to slit my wrists now...jk!!!!!!!!!

So when I was going thru chemo, my skin was so different, all the lines and wrinkles on my face disappeared, my pores were tight and closed and I looked younger, everyone kept commenting!  NOW...back to reality baby...SF saggy skin, wrinkles, clogged pores, WTF??????? haha  I blame Tamox!  LOL!!!!  

kfinnigan

Harley, wow 2 years!!!  sorry about the bleeding issues.  There are a lot of women getting those TVUS it seems.  Scary!

Keep us posted on the fatigue thing please.  Hugs sister 

my3girls

Like Harley, that is the same time frame I started on tamox...and by aug.08, I had to have my hysterectomy!  But, I must say, for me..the tamox, now that I am back on it, is soooooo much easier than the AI's!! I tried to of those........and they caused me SO MUCH pain!

Kari..Swedish fish are candie.  They are red fish, gummy texture, but very tasty!!

Hope you ladies are all doing well! Happy Monday!  Feeling under the weather now for about a week!  Unfortunately for Tony...I gave him my bug...but he said...it was sure fun "getting it"...lol

back to work!

xoxo

Lisa