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Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?

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  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 2,311
    edited October 2019

    There is a ton of evidence regarding who gets the least cancer, and who does not recur, based on diet and exercise practices. Dr Block's recommendations follow these known 'best practices.' Exercise is huge. VERY beneficial against recurrence.

    The reason that an anti-cancer diet has not been definitively tested in a double blind trial is that a double blind trial costs $50M to do -- but nobody gets rich on the other side. However, clinical practice shows a lot. For example, Dr Blocks stage 4 patients live much longer than average for stage 4 people. And he gets many patients when their MOs say nothing more can be done. And in certain countries where the diet is less junky than USA, people get less cancer. That's enough proof for me.

    Dr Longo who has pioneered fasting had trouble getting people to fill a trial. Very few people were willing to fast. Thus he developed fasting mimicking. It's a huge benefit, but people resist it!

    Meanwhile we have proof for the anti-cancer benefits of a lot of specific foods: alliums (onions), cruciferous vegs, mushrooms, garlic, ginger, green tea (EGCG), cinnamon, peppers, red grapes, green leafy vegs, berries, walnuts, tumeric (curcumin), Omega 3-rich deep sea fish.... These are all foods that science has shown are active against cancer.

    So far I have seen nothing showing cupcakes, soda, lard or white bread benefiting anyone...


  • wanderweg
    wanderweg Member Posts: 487
    edited October 2019

    Lauren, seems to me you are still in the early phase of coming to grips with the changed diagnosis. I'd be watching baseball and taking my time about deciding what life changes I might want to make, too. Well, no I wouldn't - I don't like watching sports. But movies, maybe. :-)

  • laureninphx
    laureninphx Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2019

    LOL- a Tennessee resident who doesn’t watch football??! You are a rare bird Wanderweg. :). I live outside of Dallas and don’t watch pro football. During Cowboy games is when I try to do errands or go to the zoo because it’s a ghost town out there!

    Yes, I am still figuring it out, but it’s becoming more and more clear that some major health habit changes are in the future if I want to last awhile. Makes me sad, but then again, there’s a big black before and after line when it comes to MBC. My old life is essentially over and my new normal has to start ASAP. Or after I finish the key lime pie in my fridge. ;)


  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited October 2019

    I have been looking for experimental data on diet and cancer. All I have found is articles that describe diet that reduces the risk of getting cancer, nothing on diet affect on active cancer. If anyone has articles that cover this from a scientific source, I would be really interested.

    It makes sense that if one improves diet and exercise one develops a stronger immune system that may be better able to attack cancer cells, but data is sadly lacking.


  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 2,311
    edited October 2019

    Look at The moss reports by Dr Ralph Moss. He has a ton of the science. I will see what links I can post.

  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 3,293
    edited October 2019

    there is an update to some of the studies this article mentions but I don't have them at hand. It's a good start to the literature though

    Lancet Oncology

    Diet, exercise, and complementary therapies after primary treatment for cancer

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/...

    edited to add a pdf of the article http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.535.943&rep=rep1&type=pdf



  • WorryThePooh
    WorryThePooh Member Posts: 378
    edited October 2019

    Lauren definitely finish that key lime pie, if you don't I will. Although I might have to book flights to get there.

    wanderweg I don't like watching sports either. My mother does, she can watch them all day, but I didn't inherit that gene. Not liking to watch sport is perhaps rare in Australia, most people are sports mad here. I would rather visit an art gallery!

  • everymoment
    everymoment Member Posts: 6,656
    edited October 2019

    This morning listened to an informative discussion on NPR re: healthy diet and depression. The conclusions were that one of the major studies reviewed was poorly designed; that the outcome of less depression in the diet group could be due to the extra attention the dieters got from the nutritionists. Lastly, was reminded that correlation is not causation so cannot say that diet was the cause of less depression, or in other studies fewer cancer recurrences.

  • socallisa
    socallisa Member Posts: 10,184
    edited October 2019

    thanks, magiclight, so many studies are so flawed. I worked on one as a medical research interviewer..watch out for the motives of the contracting organization.

  • socallisa
    socallisa Member Posts: 10,184
    edited October 2019

    one study I was actually in as a participant was exercise and breast cancer outcomes...they concluded the exercise was the motivator, but actually it was the group participation that helped our attitudes..

  • everymoment
    everymoment Member Posts: 6,656
    edited October 2019

    SoCal, looks like engagement with others, in virtual or live settings, is important. Thanks for places like this for group participation and helping my psyche on so many days.

  • wanderweg
    wanderweg Member Posts: 487
    edited October 2019

    While I’m generally appalled by the whole pink ribbon/Pinktober thing, I was unable to resist this shirt. It’s a Game of Thrones reference (and I know I am one of the few people who never watched that show) where the sword teacher tells the girl, “There is only one god and his name is death, and there is only one thing we say to death: ‘Not today.” I take it as a reminder to myself to live as fully and fiercely as possible right up until I die.

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  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Member Posts: 8,178
    edited October 2019

    👍👍👍

  • laureninphx
    laureninphx Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2019

    Love it, Wander

  • Yogatyme
    Yogatyme Member Posts: 1,793
    edited October 2019

    SoCalLisa, you are so right!!

    Wander, love the shirt

  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 3,293
    edited October 2019

    wanderweg - is there an online link for that shirt by any chance?

  • laureninphx
    laureninphx Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2019

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/465450-company-sells-out-of-1425-jesus-shoes-that-feature-holy-water

    Company sells out of $1,425 'Jesus shoes' that feature holy water so you can 'walk on water'

    Why didn’t I think of that?
  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited October 2019

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  • laureninphx
    laureninphx Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2019

    6! Two games today, started my second Med yesterday with no side effects yet, and just had a great dinner. It’s the little things. :

  • wanderweg
    wanderweg Member Posts: 487
    edited October 2019

    4! And maybe a little 1. Tiring day.

    Lauren, what is the second med you are taking? (You've probably said, but y mind is a sieve these days.)

  • wren44
    wren44 Member Posts: 7,963
    edited October 2019

    4. I've been fighting not to take a nap all afternoon. Don't want to spoil my sleep tonight. It's cloudy with rain predicted to start tonight and last until January, so that may have something to do with it.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited October 2019

    I'm a bit of a 3 with aches and a cough. :)


  • laureninphx
    laureninphx Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2019

    Wander - started Kisqali last night and had my second Faslodex loading dose yesterday as well. So far so good. Have a feeling I’ll be shaving my head soon. Hair loss is a K side effect and my hair has always been horribly thin. If I lose much more I’ll have a worse-than-Trump combover. Good riddance, I say. :)

  • santabarbarian
    santabarbarian Member Posts: 2,311
    edited October 2019

    Kind of spaced out so I'll pick 9.

    Anyone see the Attorney General gave a talk about how all the problems in the modern world come from secularism? And Mike Pompeo just gave a talk which was entitled something like "Being a Christian leader" on the main page of the State Dept website? Are we in pre-Gilead?

  • laureninphx
    laureninphx Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2019

    It’s frightening, isn’t it?

    It’s amazing how far we’ve fallen in the past three to four years. The damage won’t be easy to fix especially since they’ve packed the courts. So sad.

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Member Posts: 8,178
    edited October 2019

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    I’m on ibrance, loosing what little hair taxotere left me. Intend to get this hat soon.

  • laureninphx
    laureninphx Member Posts: 138
    edited October 2019

    Cute hats!! I didn’t know Ibrance did that too. Bummer. Oh well, we’re still kicking. :)

  • WorryThePooh
    WorryThePooh Member Posts: 378
    edited October 2019

    On the cat scale I'd say I'm roughly a 3 today! Had a break away from the city for two days, seems to have restored some zest for life.


    Spookiesmom I love the hats!

  • miriandra
    miriandra Member Posts: 2,242
    edited October 2019

    6 going to 4. This is my first week back at work! I'm a massage therapist, so I use my arms a LOT. I'm on a short schedule until I know my energy is back up and as long as my arm doesn't start showing edema. (Only 1 sentinel node taken, so edema is unlikely, but I still need to monitor for it.) So far so good!

    It was great seeing my clients again. One of my clients I saw today is also a bc survivor, and she was very excited for my quick recovery. Another big step towards normal. :)