Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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DivineMrsM, that's perfect!
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Lol divine, that’s a good one.
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Is this post about Atheism?
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Divine MsM, you find the best sayings!
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Says pope Francis, the man with no children says that "people who do not have children "are lacking something, something fundamental, something important." You just cannot make us this stuff about religious leaders.
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WTH? That's crazy. Does he even hear himself?
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Kris...I think not. The population of Italy is declining, as it is for many countries and that could have economic effects. He is not speaking as an economist but a theologian and like you, I think his statements are way out of line considering the effects on unwanted children etc.
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Beliefs like that helped me leave religion. Where does an Old Unmarried MAN get off telling me I should have lots of kids? Is he going to help me raise, feed , clothe. keep a roof over their heads? No, just like politicians in this country. Have a bunch of kids. See ya.
I have 2 dogs, 1 cat. Yes they are my fur babies. I have 1 skin kid. I love and care for all. And the fur kids are much easier.
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I'm not an atheist, but I'm agnostic. I believe there is a higher power but I'm humble enough to admit that I don't know the details. I just try to be a half decent person and hope that'll matter.
Sometimes I wish I had an easier time buying into religion as it seems to be a comfort when thinking about the afterlife, etc... but I can't quite seem to get there. I've also had some not so great experiences with some really hypocritical "religious" people that have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'll give you an example.... my mother in law (who is church- crazy) one day blurted out randomly that "she is sad that my husband and I won't be in heaven with her".... that was fun.
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And ya... that whole Pope Francis comment... could not roll my eyes hard enough. What a way to make someone who can't have kids for medical reasons feel worthless. And what a hypocrite. Gross.
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Not to mention the Catholic Church’s abominable, horrifying cover-up and enabling of pedophilia. Please don’t tell me you value children, Pope. The pedophilia epidemic has run rampant in the Catholic church parishes throughout the world for decades or longer, probably centuries, with priests having almost no accountability let alone be prosecuted and serve time for their crimes.
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nem126...we must have the same mother-in-law!! She told me the same thing and included my kids. I guess her son will see her there tho.
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nem126- I agree that if I believed in heaven or an afterlife, it would be much more comforting to think I'd see all the people I love again someday.
nem126 and kidi919 - your mother-in-laws sound like a peach.
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I guess I'm weird. I kind of believe in some sort of afterlife, but I don't believe in any religion. I've never seen how an afterlife has anything to do with any gods, and the afterlife belief seems to be fairly universal no matter what religion a culture has. I certainly don't see it as some horrible judgy thing, though.
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I think there is something after we are gone from this Earth. Hopefully we will see the people we miss. I want to tell my SIL I'm mad her for dying. I had a vision in my head that we would be old ladies together and we frequently laughed about just that. Life seems almst pointless if there is nothing after this. But I sure don't believe theres some "man" floating around. That would be a cruel joke.
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Yeah, no thanks to the creepy old man. And don't get me started on angels, I think they're gross! The worst are cupids or any kind of baby angel. So many people say "Oh, how precious" and I want to scream "Are you out of your mind! Those are dead babies according to your religion! That's disgusting!"
KID1919, you might like the illustrations of Inge Löök to give you a version of growing old with your SIL and maybe smile as you remember her.
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My eldest child sent me an emoji angel. They were very proud of their work. xD
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My eldest made an emoji angel. They were very proud of their work.
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AliceB , those illustrations are wonderful! Thank you
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I thought some here might appreciate this:
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lol tinkerbell, I definitely do! (Stealing this btw)
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Lovin' it!!
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I had an experience yesterday that re-affirmed why I want nothing to do with the religion I was raised in.
A relative on my husband's side died recently. she was a breast cancer survivor, but died of unrelated medical issues. At her funeral, the catholic priest, who had not known her, was giving the service, and I guess, tried to talk about her life. she was married for x number of years, raised two sons, had grandchildren. then asked her husband "was she a good cook?" he said yes, and the priest talked about this woman in terms of how she raised sons, kept house, and cooked for her family. As if her purpose in life had been serving food to men, cleaning up after men, etc. Nothing that indicated that she had any other qualities, interests, or worthiness.
It made me profoundly sad. Not that there is anything wrong with being a wife and mother, but is that how we sum up a woman's life? the priest ended with telling her husband to not be afraid to accept help - if someone offers to cook for him, or to clean for him, he should accept it.
I know it's indicative of the society at large, and not just the catholic church, but a priest talking about a woman in terms of cooking and cleaning just irked me. Will my worth as a human being be seen as whether or not I can make a good pot roast? Why does a PRIEST get to determine a woman's role, and hint that a widower would be unable to feed himself or do housework ? (he had been doing fine feeding himself for the past year while his wife was in and out of hospitals, and they've had a cleaning service for many years) Or maybe the priest was making the assumption that once a wife dies, the women in town will all line up at a chance to apply for the position.
I told my husband I was bothered by it, and he joked that, yeah, if I died and a priest asked him about my skills as a "housewife" he'd end up replying, "eh, she was OK I guess." I told him that if he allowed a priest at my funeral, I would have to come back and haunt him (my husband, not the priest)
thanks for letting me vent here.
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Tinkerbell, that's annoying and disgusting. Of course, priests have housekeepers, so that's how they see women. My husband is Catholic (not very anymore) and I used to get so mad when we were first married in the eighties, when they were doing the big church cleaning for Easter, they'd schedule the women for during the day. On a weekday! In the freaking eighties! That's the Catholics, women are lucky if they're only several decades behind instead of the several centuries that most priests are.
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Oh yes I agree about the darn 'worth of a woman'. At my age I've found myself reading obits in the Sunday papers. It's amazing the number of women who are only appreciated for their cooking & cleaning skills. I know that it's not necessary to have a career to be fulfilled - but for goodness sake, we're worth more than a maid or housekeeper or cook.
One of my neighbors died several years ago. She was the kind of woman who ALWAYS put her husband first. We used to laugh that she'd be on her hands & knees scrubbing the kitchen floor and he's say 'we're going to lunch now'. She jumped up. I would have said, 'I'll be through in 10 minutes honey'. Long story short - all the neighbors expected him to fall apart since she did everything for him. He's really done very well. Learned how to 'cook' HEB deli dinners, hired 'handy maids' to come every two weeks and decided he didn't have to keep the rose garden going. A group of women used to play dominoes or cards at their house every week or two. He rarely joined the table. After her death, he asked us (pre-covid) if we would come over and play once in awhile because he missed the "girls" laughing. Most of us take still him a desert or container or black-eyed peas or something every month or two - & he always returns the favor by bringing us delicious slices of pie from "Flying Saucer Pies".
Sorry - feminist thoughts not atheist. But one of the reasons I am not going to have a service of any kind, nor an obit in the paper. My son knows how I feel and is in agrreement.
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Minus, that’s sweet that he missed the girls laughing. And, flying saucer pies, lucky you! The strawberry one might be the best pie I’ve ever had.
I only scrubbed the kitchen floor on hands and knees once, DH kept saying how “hot” it was, so I had him take a picture because I knew it was never happening again. This was about 15 years ago and he’s still got the photo.
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Great subject matter here. There was a point in my life where religion, politics and feminism concepts all kind of gelled together at the same time and my understanding of the world came into very clear focus.
Tinkerbell, I completely understand how you felt about the priest reducing this woman to domesticity. I was raised Catholic and have to say I hate priests. To me, they are man babies. I read somewhere, maybe it was in an article or even this thread, where an adult daughter realized her mom was more invested in her priest, his welfare and well being, than she was in her own husband! And some women fight over taking care of the priest. Such is the effing patriarchal world of Catholicism.
MinusTwo, I read obituaries in the local paper every day and you are so right. Most deceased women are praised for cooking and being the best granny while obits for men have long lists of their accomplishments like military service, organizations they were involved in, employment history and hobbies like hunting, golfing.
Being as I live with metastatic bc, I’ve written my own obituary. I really hate the ones that include entirely too much personal information. I want something personal but not overly personal. Dh knows I don’t mind a memorial, but also knows I do not want anything religious.
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Maybe Jesus was listening but didn’t find her funny. (No cause known but she seems to be ok)
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