Iodine, thyroid, and breast cancer??
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You really need to read the literature.
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I had probably always been slightly hypothyroid. In 1989, I had one lobe of my thryroid removed due to a nodule which turned out to be b9, ever since I have taken synthroid. The rationale for this was to cause the other lobe of my thyroid to atrophy and prvent another nodule from developing on the other side. My question now is, at this time, not knowing whether I have ceased all natural thyroid function or not, is there any value in my taking iodine?
thanks for any advice you might be able to share!!!
Julie E
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Anyone GAIN weight on Iodoral? I've gained 8 pounds since the first part of November when I started increasing the Iodoral and went back on the natural Progesterone cream! It seems everyone else loses weight, so I'm a little concerned. Didn't have huge detox symptoms, but I do keep breaking out with pimples between my eyebrows. Any suggestions are appreciated!
Melissa
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Hm, Melissa - I have only been losing weight so I'm not sure... are there any other factors that could be causing weight gain?
I started Iodoral nearly four weeks ago. I had already been feeling a lot better (more energetic, better sleep, etc.) with all the other lifestyle/diet changes I had made starting in October. I still had ADD (which has plagued me all my life... I've never been able to get ANYthing done).
I've noticed that more recently (in the last couple of weeks), I've suddenly been able to focus on things and get things done. That can't possibly be due to getting my iodine levels back where they should be, could it??!
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I know, I'm stumped! I had lost 26 pounds since March (when I started Budwig and mostly raw diet). I'm now retracing to eliminate anything else I can think of, that I've let creep back in. I have slowly added gluten breads back (was tired of rice bread, etc. and found some wonderful whole grain pita's at Whole Foods that seemed very healthy other than glutens and yeast....I try to state away from both). Maybe the bread is the culprit, so as of today, "Good-bye my Pita-friend" and back to the rice breads! The funny thing is, that after 8 lbs more on the scale, my clothes don't really fit any tighter.
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Mbrowning. I noticed a couple extra pounds on the scale too, since I started on the progesterone. But I too do really notice any difference in my size. My clothes are not tight, so who knows. I also think it has to do with the fact that though I still exercise, there is no way I can get as active as I do in the summer. Cutting out the starches is a good idea. I know they always affect me.My DH still loves his pizza, and if I eat one piece, I swear I gain a pound. I think the gluten just messes with my metabolism.
Julia-I know I have classic ADD too. So did my sons. If only I had known, I would have had them on iodine and probably saved them lots of grief. Like me, they could never sit still in school. I got got grades because I went home and studied in my room. I could not concentrate in the classroom. The more I read about iodine, the more connections I see to ADD. Oh, and don't let it get you down. Folks with ADD often are very creative!
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mbrowning - Have you been working out? If so maybe the weight is all muscle
!!!!!!Patty
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I also think it has to do with the fact that though I still exercise, there is no way I can get as active as I do in the summer.
That's a great point. Most people, even those whose job it is to be fit (e.g. personal trainers), usually put on 5 to 8 pounds over the winter. I don't know that it's only not being able to exercise as much... I think our bodies naturally hold on to a bit more "insulation" (if we live in a climate where winters are cold -- and maybe even if winters don't get that cold). I say let's not fight our bodies too much on that point -- as long as we're getting some exercise, and eating a good variety of wholesome whole foods.
I agree about starches/gluten. Thankfully, I'm not really a bread person (unless it's an occasional delicious piece of some kind of artisan bread) -- I have gone weeks without having any kind of bread and never missed it. That said, the one starch I find myself craving now that cold weather is here, is potatoes. But, like I said, now that I've been eating healthfully for several months, if my body craves something (aside from an obvious poison like Diet Coke!!), I'm going to have a serving of it, even if it means not losing weight as fast (or gaining a few pounds, knowing they will melt off again once warmer weather is here).
Vivre, that is so interesting about iodine being connected to ADD. It was seriously like a switch turned on -- or even like I was taking ADD medication -- within a week or two of my starting Iodoral. Normally, if I have a task before me, I will sit there and attempt it but for the LIFE of me I can't even force myself to get started. My brain just won't work, unless I'm on a deadline -- and then my brain suddenly is able to focus.
But in the last couple of weeks, I've been getting things done that I had put off for weeks/months/years... I've cleaned out a room that has been a junk room for the last 4 years... I'm able to finish client work... it's really nothing short of amazing. I didn't make the iodine connection until I tried to figure out what I had changed recently... and that's the only thing I can pinpoint.
I don't let ADD get me down... I actually love the way my brain works. It's like being on a roller coaster sometimes, or a fun house!, but I do love the ideas and connections my brain comes up with!
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Sorry, guys. I finally got accepted int hat group (after a good few days). Looked around on the message board - nothing really intersting. Went on the website that is so advertised to get your iodine from. Looked on all the credentials, except for finding that the Dr. who is the great Poobah there is a radiologist couldn't find anything else (and I am not very enthusiastic on websites that don't give you any information about the owners). Got a heapload of emails from registering that were giving me a list of homework to do.
Everything that I've read, doesn't have any real basis. Sorry, it screams "scam" to me. That's just me and I am very untrusting. I am glad that it works for you. Thank you for the kindness.
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I think I have Hypothyroid. I have been tested and the blood test NEVER reveals anything. I am now being tested for Wilsons Syndrome. I am real curious how that comes out. My regular physician is not wanting to leave any stone unturned. I would also like some information on taking IODINE...
So please share any information on that if u dont mind.....
THANKS
MAY GOD BLESS US ALL
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Day, you can think what you want. It is not a scam. If you do not want to believe that is fine with those of us who do. There are too many people who have been on iodine like me, and see the the results.
Angelsabove-Please read back through this thread. You will find lots of links to great information. I did not believe it at first either. I spent a lot of time researching and finally decided to take the iodine plunge. I talked to my compounding pharmicist, who has met and studied Dr. Brownstein's research and then took the iodine loading test. It is really hard to balance any of our endocrine systems without iodine.
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Vivre-------- Thanks a bunch. I will do this.
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Vivre, while I agree that iodine might do tons of good to the people who are HYPO-thyroid, saying that iodine will do good to people who are HYPER-thyroid is just... scam. And putting their life in danger at that.
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I am taking T3 - T4 from a compound pharmacy. It is $30 a month. It seems to be working better than the new recent Armour. Is it possible to get the same thing from my general local pharmacy, which would cost me only a co-pay of $5.
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This is a review of the book "Breast Cancer and Iodine : How to Prevent and How to Survive Breast Cancer' Seems interesting...anyone here read it?
Review:
I have taken my personal experience in practice along with the details of treatment of patient together with published literature and proposed a testable theory of breast cancer. The lack of a theory of cancer and especially breast cancer has made treatment difficult and empirical.
The book is divided into four parts. The first part discusses iodine. From published facts, we can arrive at a proposal that iodine could be the first phase of a two phase cancer defence system. It appears that iodine in the extra-cellular fluid outside of the cells is the main surveillance system for abnormal cells. Iodine also triggers the natural death of normal cells in the body. There are many cells types in the body undergoing a natural death. For example some of the cells in the stomach have lives of only 2-3 days. The name of this process is apoptosis.
Carefully documented descriptions of the cancer process at different places in the body reveals most cancers have similar stages through which it passes. The cancers are not really cancer until the cells start to move by invasion through the nearby connective tissue. Cells develop abnormalities for a variety of reasons and can continue to become abnormal all the way up through atypical cells and to carcinoma in situ. Carcinoma in situ is the dividing line between the two phases of cancer development. Iodine in correct doses will reverse all of the changes up to and including the carcinoma in situ.
The thyroid hormone controls connective tissue function. So connective tissue around organs forms a structural biological barrier to the spread of cancer. Cancer spread to distant organs only develops in the connective tissue of those organs. Therefore, if the connective tissue defence is not strong then the cancerous cell from a distant site can land there and grow. If however the thyroid hormone level in the connective tissue is high enough then the connective tissue will perform its normal defence duties and not allow the cancer cell to enter it and develop.
Using these principles, fibrocystic disease and breast cancer become more understandable. Supplemental iodine in the correct doses will remove all lesions from carcinoma in situ back to just an abnormal cell by triggering death of these cells by apoptosis. Spread of cancer cells in the connective tissue can be arrested by adequate treatment with thyroid hormone to strengthen the connective tissue barrier.
My experience with patients using this approach so far has been successful. The principles are that there are two phases to cancer one controlled by iodine and the other by thyroid hormone. Thus the book deals with the prevention and survival of breast cancer.
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Barry, that book sounds great. Who wrote it?
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Vivre...I am so bad with details...sorry. Look it up on Amazon. I'm sure it gives the author.
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The book which barry mentioned by Dr. David M. Derry, MD, PhD
http://www.amazon.com/Breast-Cancer-Iodine-Prevent-Survive/dp/1552128849
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I have the book and read it, found it hard to absorb.
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Why was it difficult to absorb? I'm thinking about purchasing it.
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I had breast cancer dx in Aug 2006 and dx with overactive thyroid in June of 2009 after I have had a racing heart and racing pulse (mine is never under a 100 even on Carbimazole and Proparanol - UK or USA treatment aswell????) When 1st dx with o/a thyroid the score was 95 (think the doc said it should be normally in the mid 20's and still high now)
I have had no iodine treatment for it and it was recommended to me by the EN&T doctor I've seen but totally impractical as I've got small kids (4 and 5 and try and tell them that mommy can't cuddle them ... no chance!!!)
All the above (not that I read it word for word) seems to make sense to me. My cousin (we are BRCA1 genetic gene family) have told me that her mom who died of cancer in 1988 had an overactive thyroid as well. Seems to much of a coincidence to me.
I'm seeing the EN&T doc on Wed, I'm going to mention this to him.
Thanks for the info
Jinny xxx
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Jinny, you were probably recommended radioactive iodine treatments to ablate your thyroid. This is totally different from dietary/supplemental iodine to support a clinical or subclinical under active (hypo) thyroid condition.
Anne
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Oh thanks Anne, I have no idea what iodine it was, radioactive iodine I think. I'm sending in a request for my medical records tomorrow as I know far to little about what goes on with my own body so soon I will also sound like a medical dictionary (well I live in hope!!!)
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Jinney, before you do any treatments, please learn as much as you can. There are a lot of people in the yahoo forum that some of us read who wish they had done there homework before any thyroid treatment. My friend was on thyroid meds, and since she started iodine, she found out that she did not even need the sythoid . We have posted before, but here are some threads to read: www.stopthethyroidmadness.org www.breastcancerchoices.org www.iodine4health.org www.naturalthyroidchoices.org (you will find the link here to join the yahoo group)
I did these from memory so if the links do not work, try .com
I know they talk about the difference between the radioactive iodine and the Lugol's formula that many of us use as a supplement.
Hope this helps.
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Hi ladies, I've been reading lots in the last few weeks, and I'm posting a link with Crunchy in mind. Crunchy, I think you might find some like minded women -- many are already moms, and some are trying to conceive (took me a while to figure out what TTC meant, lol). It's a very long thread, and I hope you'll find your way to some more resources and support
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=1091794
Day, I'm curious what website you're looking at? I'm not aware of anyone's life being in danger by taking iodine supplements. When you mention a website and a radiologist in the same sentence, I'm wondering if you're reading about radioactive iodine? Just to clarify, in the context of this thread, we are NOT talking about radioactive iodine.
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Thank you, Althea!! I joined mothering.com in 2008 when I was pregnant for the fourth time (I was SO sure that time would be "the one"). I haven't been back since I lost the baby, but I think I'm ready to pay a visit now... especially if there's a relevant thread! Thanks so much for sharing that thread!
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Haven't been on in a while and of course I now have a question.....
In Oct last year my Free T3 ,T4 and TSH (2.4) were all normal. Blood taken in Nov showed normal T3 and T4 but my TSH had gone down to .26 and now, bloods from Thursday show that my TSH has gone down again to .20 ! I'm normally Hypothyroid and have been for the last 20 years. Now it seems I'm Hyperthyroid - could any of these things I'm taking affect my thyroid? I was told to get off everything before my surgery in Dec and I've slowly been adding my supplements back. So for the moment I'm on DIM, Vit D3 , Vit C , Calcium d-Glucarate, probiotic. I've just recently started on the Milk Thistle so I don't think that's it. What could be causing my TSH to get so low???????????
Terri
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Have you had any kind of infection recently, cold, flu, etc?
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No, I've actually beaten my record of always getting a cold in the winter months...so far, no colds or infections of any kind.
Terri
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terri, your TSH results indicate a swing toward hyperthyroidism, but do you feel hyper?
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