Iodine, thyroid, and breast cancer??
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Hmm, I never heard this Deni!!! I take my Iodoral with all my other supplements.
OKAY.... will try this once I start taking it again. (I was told to stop taking it a few days before and 2 weeks after surgery - interferes with the development of scar tissue...FYI)
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just a note, but when I saw Suzanne Somers on Oprah months ago, they showed footage of her taking her supplements, progesterone etc, and she took 60+ supplements in the morning all together.........figuring out all of the supplements and then taking them daily, do I now have to figure out a schedule in which to take them, well, I don't see that happening!! I do the best I can with what I've got, I simply can't stress about it too much.
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I've off any type of pig thyroid med's. I am now on natural thyroid T3 and T4 time released pills made at a compounding pharmacy. I used to feel sick to my stomach 30 to 60 minutes after taking armour. I just hope this new prescription actually works. Is anyone else taking the nature thyroid time release med's?
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It kind of makes sense not to take other things with iodine since the iodine chelates and could very well make you pee everything out to quickly. I take my iodine with the minerals because the minerals seem to need each other. I take the antioxidants at lunch and the iodine, selenium, and a mineral multi first thing in the morning. Then I take mag in the eve. I noticed my pee use to be very yellow when I took them all together. Now it is clear after I take the iodine and anti ox separate.
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In having blood tests for other issues it seems they checked my thyroid levels as well. Among the tests results of Oct 29 my TSH checked and it was at 2.43 which is in the normal range. The blood test I had done barely 1 month later after taking iodine (kelp) drops came back at .26 which is very low. I read that a low TSH means that I could be hyperthyroid now...does that make sense that kelp drops would make that much of a difference in 1 month? I am on Synthroid at the moment because I can't find a compounding pharmacist in my area but I intend to switch to something natural once I clear up a few other blood related issues. Seems I get cleared on one problem and fall into another....!
Terri
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Terry,
Kelp isn't iodine. It is basically a vegetable that very efficiently sucks up nutrients, pesticides, mercury and arsenic from sea water.
So there is no way to know which contaminant may or may not be poisoning you.
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Oh boy...Put that way, I guess I'll throw the bottle out!
Terri
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Barry, I take nature-throid, not sure if that's what you meant.
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Springtime is it working for you? How do you feel afterwards? I don't feel as sick to my stomach sence I switched from Armour to nature-thyroid. The proof is in the pudding. I'll see how the tsh tests turn out next go around.
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I was accepted into the Breastcancerchoices.org iodine study. i sent my test in today. I am anxious for the results as I am sure I am low on iodine. My temp is always low and I am always freezing. I thought it was because I am thin. It would be wonderful to be warm again!!
I have my iodoral. I plan on taking 50 mg. Should I divide and take it twice a day or does it matter?
Thanks!Angee
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hi angee, there's no need to divide the pill. It's best to take iodine early in the day. Some people report sleep difficulties if iodine is taken in the afternoon. Iodoral also comes in 12.5 mg tablets.
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Angee, you might have a lot of detox symptoms by starting with 50. Some people do, some do not. If you do, you need to do the salt loading. Some people also do every other day to start. It differs with us all. Have you read the yahoo group about iodine? I find it to be very informative. Go to naturalthyroidchoices for the link to join. That site also has a lot of info on iodine use.
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I started with 50 and was fine, but, I did end up needing more thyroid medicine when taking this much Iodine.
Barry - I was on synthroid before, and since being diagnosed I am just much more concerned (and much less trusting!) about drug companies and their drugs. I decided I wanted desecrated thyroid hormone, rather than synthetic. When I switched, the Armour shortage was just starting, so I went with NatureThroid, Works for me!
Angee, that's great! Given what you describe, I wonder if you have low thyroid? Have you had it tested? I would next time you see a doc. Low temp, cold could be symptoms of low thyroid. Just saying!
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Althea and Vivre, thank you for the info. I have started with 12.5 mg. I am reading the iodine yahoo group.
I have 2 more questions:
Any sugestions on a timetable for increasing the iodine?
I read on the iodine group that sea salt is necessary to take with the iodine - 1/2 - 1 teaspoon.
I must take the sea salt every day? Why?
Springtime, next time I see the Dr. I will ask her to test my thyroid.
Thanks so much for the help and info.
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For whatever it's worth, I was without my Iodoral for a few days (forgot to pack for a trip), and ended up getting a headache that was immediately remedied my first morning at home when I realized my oversight and popped a tablet (my first in 5 days). Funny, because initially they'd given me a headache, but now it seems my body needs them!
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Interesting. I have been trying to take them separately (2 hours before or after other supplements). I must say I have noticed that this past cycle was much "easier". Not as much of a headache, lighter, and cramps were manageable. Plus, my boobs didn't even get sore, which is huge. I don't know if it is the Iodoral or the Progesterone cream or a combination of both - but I like it!
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Plus, my boobs didn't even get sore, which is huge. I don't know if it is the Iodoral or the Progesterone cream or a combination of both - but I like it!
That is so interesting -- that must be the Iodoral because (from what I understand) progesterone is what makes our boobs sore in the second half of our cycles.
I'm still just eating kelp every day but I need to get some Iodoral!!
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Angee, you can start slow but up it depending on if you have any detox symptoms. I started out with 2, 12.5 mg for about 2 weeks and did not really notice anything. Then I doubled it and had some detox symptoms. Mostly for me, I was really really zapped of energy and had a headache. Then I did the saltloading. I only saltload when I feel symptoms. The purpose of the salt is to help you get the toxins out as quickly as possible with frequent urination. I have actully only done it twice, but I tend to use the salt shaker more than I use to. You have to drink a lot of water too, so the kidneys do not have to strain to keep emptying. I am now on 5 caps per day, but I take the weekends off to give the kidneys a rest.
For people who have a lot of symtoms, it is wise to do every other day to start. I also read on the iodine thread that some people had worse symptoms at low levels that higher. Dr. Flechas actually told me to start with 50 mg, but I decided to go a little slower. I guess the severity of detox depends on how much bromine, chlorine, and flourine you have built up in your system.
As I Deni said, it really changes the breast. No more lumps and aches and pains. I wish I had known about this stuff years ago. I can't imagine anyone getting breast cancer if their iodine levels are sufficient.
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Vivre,
thank you for the info. I thought the salt was only for detox. I took one 12.3 tab for 4 days. Yesterday I added a second tab so I am up to 25mg. No symptoms yet.
How long before I can expect to notice a difference in my breasts and my body temp?
I hope I get my results from the loading test this week. I am very curious about my results!
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Angee - for me the difference took a while. I started slowly. One tab a day first, than 1 1/2. The past couple of weeks I have been at 2 tabs per day and now I feel the difference. I wanted to start slowly to try to thwart any detox symptoms as I am very prone to get headaches. My detox symptoms were not bad with some slight headache early on.
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Angee-- When I took the 50 mg at the start of the Iodine Loading test, I felt a burst of brain energy about two hours later. Some people have reported that.
After a few days of taking 50 mg, I had to go lower because I got brain fog and got crabby..
My experience is almost identical to Vivre's. The salt water recipe got the bromide detox out so I could get the dose back up again. Sometimes skipping Iodoral for two days has helped because they say "rests the kidneys."
How soon you get your temperature up may depend on how efficiently you are absorbing the iodine. I'm eager to hear what Dr. Flechas says. Spring talked to him most recently and she always worms new info out of him. Thank you for that, Spring!
Good luck, Angee.
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...I think that breast cancer may be linked to thyroid disease. However, I do not see the connection with iodine. With all due respect, iodine deficiency is what they USED to say caused the thyroid to malfunction, and maybe that USED to be the case.
I believe that, at least, in my cast, it is the AUTO IMMUNE condition, Hashimoto's, that may be linked to breast cancer.
this is just imho...
HARLEY
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Harley, I think we all were as skeptical as you were several years ago. There is a huge amount of research out there now. It takes a while to go through it, including info on Hashi's and iodine deficiency.
Here is a "starter" article. The others here may have other links to suggest. Also, Dr. Brownstein's book.
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Harley, I believe that breast cancer is linked to thyroid disfunction and the lack of iodine is a culpret in bc dx's. After my recurrence last year...(two bc dx in a year...one fall 2007, the other 2008,) I saw a naturalpath doctor to find natural cures to stay cancer free. I only had surgeries done both times. My tsh levels were abnormally high...and I began taking armour, although now I'm on the natural thyroid med's....also began taking iodine supplements. I have no doubt that this treatment has kept me cancer free, and the iodine took care of left over dcis cells, hopefully.
This is big...especially since I went again protocol...high grade dcis, w/como type, multifocal, narrow margins, one recurrence, same area...surgery only.
It's been two years since first dx, and one year since my last bc surgery, my recent mri test is clear. I am not sure if I need to worry about future recurrences, but feel for the first time that cancer is behind me.
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Good for you Barry! You have the courage of your convictions.
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Glad to hear such good news from you Barry. As more of us have such positive outcomes with iodine, maybe we can convince the powers that be to take notice. And Harley, have you checked out naturalthyroidchoices and breastcancerchoices? Bothe of these sites have a lot of great info about the connection to thyroid, bc and iodine. And I can vouch for the fact that my breasts feel completely different since I added the iodine. It really gives me peace of mind to know that this stuff is making a difference. I will retest after the new year, but I know my tests will show improvement in all areas. I can feel the difference.
Angee-different people have different symptoms. The tiredness and headaches was all I really had. But I did have some good side effects. My plantars wart dried up! Oh, I forgot, I had some skin eruptions around my ankles. I thought is was poison ivy, as I had been in the yard a lot, but I read from others on the yahoo group that they had skin problems too. But hey, it killed my warts! This stuff is amazing.
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Kelp isn't iodine. It is basically a vegetable that very efficiently sucks up nutrients, pesticides, mercury and arsenic from sea water.So there is no way to know which contaminant may or may not be poisoning you.
Okay, HOW did I miss this before. I just got home from a trip to Whole Foods and a local living foods grocery looking for Iodoral, and neither of them had it. All their iodine supplements were kelp-based. I finally bought one from Life Extension, but it contains kelp too!! UGH, should I return it?? I am about to buy it online (I don't remember whether Vitacost sells it) but wanted to start taking it ASAP. (I had held off because I thought it was something you shouldn't take before or after surgery... well, I'm not having surgery tomorrow so that's moot.)
Annnnd, I also bought Japanese kelp while I was at the store... ugh ugh ugh. Is there a way you can test stuff yourself for arsenic and other contaminants??
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Julia-I am so glad you are going to start the iodine. It may even help with the microcals you have. It sure dissolved mine. Here is the scoop. The stuff you buy in the vitamin and health food stores is not what you need. These are in too low a dose to make a difference and may indeed be tainted with mercury. You need to find the iodine that is based on Lugols formula. He is the doctor who came up with the formula to treat deficiencies in the 1930's. Iodoral is a name brand variation of this forumula that is available from Optimox and breastcancerchoices. I get mine, called Tom's formula from my local compounding pharmacist. He has attended seminars and is well aware of the proper amounts of iodine and iodide that make up Lugol's formula. If you want to get it from him let me and I will send you the link. I pay $35 for 120 caps. I take 4 per day for a total of 50 mg. You need to start out slower and work your way up. You also need to do salt loading if you have detox symptoms. If you get Dr. Brownstein's book "Iodine, why you need it and why you can't live without it" a lot of your questions will be answered. My pharm carries all the books too. I know others have ordered from optimox and bcchoices so I guess you can compare prices. I just do not like to buy online if I do not have to and I trust my own guy. Plus, he is always there for any questions. If you order from him, I am sure he will return you phone calls too with any questions. No, I do not get any royalties from him. LOL I just really trust him because he has answered so many of my questions and I do not have to get a doctors appt. I just leave a message and he calls me back if he is busy when I drop in. Good luck!
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Crunchy - you can get Iodoral from Life Extension:
http://search.lef.org/search/default.aspx?s=1&QUERY=iodoral
Or Naturamart:
the pricing is similar. Naturamart is slightly less, but the shipping takes forever. Life Extension ships REALLY quickly.
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Thank you, Vivre!! Yes, I'd love to get it through him! So Tom's is better than Iodoral or are they pretty comparable? Thank you again... I would be THRILLED if I put off having surgery by a couple of months and then shocked the pants off my doctor when he can't find any microcalcifications by then!!
Ooh, and thank you, Deni, for those links too!! Now I'm wondering whether I should star this Life Extension "Sea Iodine" (it's 1,000 mcg) in the meantime until it arrives... decisions decisions
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