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Lucy
You're absolutely right about estrogen knowledge! I am fortunate that my ND also has a degree in Microbiology. She is treating me with herbs and nutrition but will not give me bio's, she said it's too controversial. Not enough studies to back it up. I don't blame her and respect her for knowing her own limits but when I get closer to menopause, that will be my treatment for balancing hormones
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I too error on the side of caution. Too many unknowns for me.
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I err on the side of caution by TAKING bioidenticals. I feel it's too dangerous NOT to take them.
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Maybe our bioidentical-taking Fairy Lorraine will check in. I think she left the group.
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Luan, Thanks for the link. I found it very interesting. Many of the foods being suggested are foods I have added over the last few months. If seems the more I learn the more I realize how much I wish I had known all this before I got BC.
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Anondenet, from a rapid search, the source for bioidenticals is yams, soy is no longer used. Are you taking this instead of Tamox ? I can't figure out cause you don't have your dx in your tagline.
I think I understand that when you are all talking bio-identicals, you are talking about yam-sourced progesterone. The book I cited above is all about progesterone and its benefits, but also warns about phyto-estrogens. So, there is no conflict as far as I can see....
Lucy, the studies you cited appear to be directed at pre-BC status ?
Pip, it could very well be that with a dx like ours, we can't afford to take any chances. If I were stage 1 or 2, maybe I would go for the bio-identicals instead of the Tamox, don't know
Kira, u're very welcome
P.S. the phytoestrogens I see warnings about are mostly from herbal sources (except for soy) as these can be as potent as drugs.
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I very much believe in bio's for hormone treatment and so does my ND. She specializes in it. But she will not treat a breast cancer patient with them until more research is done. She told me quite honestly that ND's are watched very closely and there's a whole lot of trouble she could get into. MD's do not have to worry so much. It's the pharmaceuticals that get sued when a patient has adverse side effects from medicine. If the FDA says the doctors can prescribe it...then they do.
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Luan, I think you are right. Later stages can't take chances. If I am told that estrogen fed my cancer and that the science is not there for the phytoestrogens and progesterone, then I will let our fellow sister forge the way.
As far as soy is concerned, wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole even if I was okay with phytoestrogens.
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Pip, thumbs up
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How cute!
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That's about how much hair I have after the $%#??&***$%?$?#$ TAC !!!!!!
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Sunscreens......
Just wondering what you ladies use to protect your skin from the sun.
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i've been ruminating over this. i can't stand "natural"sunscreens - i look like a ghost, and some of them even gave me a rash. i use neutrogena for my face, coppertone for my body. i now wear a SPF50 sunrash shirt with bikini bottoms at the beach; i initially resisted, but had to wear one last summer due to radiation tx. now i like them: no more worries about sunburned back/shoulder/arms!
anyway, i'm sure the other gals will have good ideas on natural sunscreens - i'm open to them, also!
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Luan-There has not been any proof that Icould find that BHRT causes breast cancer. But you need to find a doctor who can guide you whom you can trust. Most of the docs I have met that do BHRT have done there training in europe, where people are more open to it and they have been treated successfully. Your ND is right. ND's could get into trouble for going this route so it is safer them to stay out of it. Have you heard of bodylogicmd's? They are docs who are allied and work with bioidenticals across the country. I have two in my area.
I just cannot buy this whole idea that our hormones are the culprit. If that was the case, why was breast cancer so rare 100 years ago. Women had hormones back then! I also do not fear phytoestrogenic foods that are healthy. It is the sugar and things that are high glycemic that we should avoid, not herbals and veggies that might be estrogenic. I have read opionions on this that are all over the place. I am not going to fear plant based foods.
Estrogen is not the demon. Low progesterone leaves us out of balance and when our bodies are out of whack, we are vulnerable.
Have your read the research of John Lee, or look at the videos of Dr. Vliet and others who promote BHRT and have not problems with women with bc? Start reading. I have not gone on them because I am pretty balanced right now and have no symptoms or problems.
Do some research, and start with checking out some of the hormone threads where we have lots of links, and I also have some info on my website.
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Vivre-
I think that was my post you're responding to about bio's & my N.D not prescribing them? I am with you on hormones not being the cause of BC. I do believe that environmental toxins play a very big role in cancers. 100 years ago we did not have all the carcinogens we do now. Everywhere in our houses and in our foods. At any given time we have cancer cells in our bodies but we also have NK cells ( natural killer cells) and cancer suppressor genes like P53 that detect them and kill cancerous cells. If those defenses we have are mutated the cells proliferate and become tumors. I truly believe we are destroying our DNA with poor diet, pesticides, household chemicals and even some medications. the excess of hormones like estrogens feed some tumors like fertilizer.
Look at type 2 diabetes in children, the statistics are staggering!! We didn't have High Fructose Corn Syrup when I was a kid but now it's in EVERYTHING! At my Son's school they serve flavored milk with 28 grams of sugar per 8 oz's. And French fries count as a vegetable. It's mind blowing but it's all about $$.0 -
Aw geez !
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I read a study a while back that said phytoestrogens are strong antioxidants that have intracellular enzyme activity and concluded it plays a role as a natural protective compound. The body absorbs it naturally and easier than synthetic estrogen made of horse urine.
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Luan
Great article on P53, thanks!0 -
Sorry to change the subject ladies...
Another member recently asked what kind of leaves are in Green tea? I also wondered the same thing when my girlfriend bought me some bags of green and oolong tea from a herbal shop in China Town. I couldn't understand what was written on the packaging because it was all in Chinese.
There's a lot of info online...and I found these very informative...
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/green-tea-000255.htm
"Green, black, and oolong tea are all derived from the leaves of the Camellia Sinensis plant. Originally cultivated in East Asia, this plant grows as large as a shrub or tree. Today, Camellia Sinensis grows throughout Asia and parts of the Middle East and Africa.
Green tea is prepared from unfermented leaves, the leaves of oolong tea are partially fermented, and black tea is fully fermented. The more the leaves are fermented, the lower the polyphenol content and the higher the caffeine content. Green tea has the highest polyphenol content while black tea has roughly 2 - 3 times the caffeine content of green tea."
http://www.greenteainformation.org/
"Unlike black tea, which is completely oxidized, green tea leaves are simply steamed and hence ensure the preservation of useful antioxidants, tannins and flavonoids.
The best way to get a good cup of green tea is to keep the temperature measured. The ideal temperature will bring out the best in those green tea leaves. As a general rule, a temperature between 140F and 185F is suitable. If water temperature is too scalding, it will make the tea bitter and the delicate aroma will be lost."
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Well now I know why my green tea is sooo bitter.
Breville has a new kettle called...the Variable temp kettle with 5 temperature settings - Because different teas need different brewing temperatures. (Makes sense)
http://www.breville.com.au/professional-800-collectionr-variable-temperature-kettle.html
I don't think I'll run out and purchase one straight away...because I recently purchased a new kettle. But I'll leave my boiled water to sit a little before adding it to my leaves.
Victoria
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http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/7-everyday-products-that-are-linked-to-cancer Check this out. Just found it on my yahoo news
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VIVRE, start reading, ditto !!!
I have John Lee,s and David Zava,s book right under my nose, i quote them on the Hormonal Girls thread. They are ADAMANT about phytoestrogens and bc, that,s their extremely solid background research i have been quoting for C...S... !!!!!!! My initial question to Britchick was: now that i,m on Tamox for a 95% estro pos tumour, what do i do with the 95% proges pos tumour factor. I certainly am not going to supplement with progesterone, now am I
YOU should read "The Emperor of all Maladies", bc is a 4000 year old disease
FYI, am all against the chemical world i have to survive in0 -
Corian, phytoestrogens absolutely yes for Prevention BUT not for women with hormone dependent bc. Don,t know anything about triple neg, have enough with my own
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Victoria, great info, thanks ! And that kettle !
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Hi, I am new to this thread. I was put on tamoxifen October 2010 and switched to generic Armidex in April, however I have a lot of swelling & bone pain in my legs and I am considering not taking them anymore but I am scared since I had an 30% oncotype score of reoccurrance. The pain becomes unbearable when I exercise (brings me to tears). I walk/run 2 miles every morning and I am trying to lose 25 pounds gained during chemo, which seems to be hopeless. What natural supplements do you take to replace the BAD little white pills?
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Green tea is great but white tea is over looked and is found to have even more antioxidants. It also has a much smoother taste.
http://coffeetea.about.com/od/typesoftea/a/whitetea.htm
Marciroberts, I use Glucomsamine, Chondrotin and MSM. Must have the MSM. I take it twice a day. Also try cutting down on inflammation causing foods.
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As for the natural progestrone. I read Dr. John Lee's book and used the natural progestrone for years for my uterine fibroids. Yes they did shrink and I was able to avoid a hysterectomy. However, now not too many years later I get this BC ER+ PR+. So I err on the side of caution and will not use any hormones. Did it cause my BC - who knows.
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Marciroberts, some stage iv sisters.swear by Boswelia, check thread. Have taken only a couple of caps myself and the nasty pain has not returned...yet...
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Pip and Vic, could u copy your valuable posts on the Hormonal Girls thread, we were having same discussion. Thanks sweeties
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Luan-
That's why I am not taking them quite yet. I was just answering a question about what is the differences between phyto & synthetic.0 -
Marciroberts
Sorry you are having such cruddy SE's ;( I am in NO way suggesting you stop med's but check out Myomin, I've been reading a lot about it. Hang in there girl!0 -
Corian girl, there seems to be a lot of confusion with the "terminology"
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