MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN 40-60ish

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  • elimar
    elimar Member Posts: 5,886

    I Goodled a little, here's an article some of you "densies" might like to read:

    Ultrasound SCREENING.

    Interesting note...although the "miss rate" is low for both mammo & US screening, notice that of those misses, 75% were small invasive cancers in the case of mammo, while only 25% of the small invasive cancers got missed with the US (which did do worse for DCIS.) 

    This new imaging may not impact a LOT of women, but there is a good chance it would have found mine, the 7mm one mammo missed a month before I was able to fell the lump.  I was LUCKY that mine was very near to the surface, and able to be felt.  It will not help HUGE numbers of women, but the screening is not that costly either, so I think "densies" will be wanting to get this.  I want it.

    Here's the machine.

                                                           

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 1,951

    Eli- did it mention how well it picks up lobular?

  • heartnsoul76
    heartnsoul76 Member Posts: 1,204

    Loral - LOLing about the scratchy-bleedy cat. Elimar, now you've got me wondering if there is a cat meme about squishy mammograms!

    Diana - I hate those touchy-feely men.  If you didn't need him for something you could just smack his hand away, but you do and of course he knows that.  Will you need this guy for annual inspections, too?

    Elimar - I haven't asked about an ultrasound screening.  I always thought it was the same thing as the ultrasound you get after a lump has been found - no one has bothered to explain the difference to me even when I asked about alternatives to the horrible mammograms. In August I'm scheduled for my first breast MRI, so at least no squishing this year.

    I complained about the mammogram last year and the tech said, well maybe next time you should take a tylenol before you come in.  I said I took a hydrocodone and it still hurts.  She said she would be on the floor if she took a hydrocodone.  I wanted to say, "Well, aren't you a delicate little flower?" and then of course add "bitch".  Haha, not really!

    Fortunately my doctor wants me to switch to every other year anyway.  I could probably postpone this MRI until next year but I feel lucky my insurance company approved it so I guess I better get in the loop for this option.

  • loral
    loral Member Posts: 818

    Heartnsoul you are funny...I have my first mammo after surgery in a few weeks, my scar is a keloid and it really hurts, I'm taking hydrocodone...

  • eph3_12
    eph3_12 Member Posts: 2,704

    HNS-Love the delicate flower, BITCH, thought!

  • elimar
    elimar Member Posts: 5,886

    Did you know?????  There is a shortage of expertise in the radiology/sonography fields, in case any of you have college age children not yet declaring a major.

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 1,951

    Just got my tumor marker results, 58. MO says they should be under 38. Well this just sucks !!!! I want these little bastards out of my body. I never did like hide and go seek.

  • elimar
    elimar Member Posts: 5,886

    A new day, a new reason for me to hate cancer.  My best friend from grade school "turned." 

    I call it "turned" when someone from an earlier Stage goes Stage IV, but it's not really turning is it?  The cancer was in there all along, circulating around looking for a new home on one of the innocent, unsuspecting organs.

    My friend had neoadjuvant chemo , Lx + 17 nodes out, and rads three summers ago.  I don't know if she got more chemo after the surgery, but she was on AIs afterward.  Recently she went to the doc with some pain in her back/hip, which we all know gets you a bone scan lickety-split.  Something looked abnormal, so PET/CT last Sunday.  They found three small bone lesions on her, the hip, lumbar spine and somewhere in the shoulder area.  So it begins anew for her, all the sucky treatment. 

    I know bone mets can stabilize well with treatment, but still...

    Our old Middie pal Barbe has gone off to posting elsewhere, but I think of how she always said, we are all just a scan away from Stage IV.  Just a flippin' scan away.

  • eph3_12
    eph3_12 Member Posts: 2,704

    Change shot to "scan"! & war to "cancer"

    Sorry E that your friend has turned....

    "Gimme Shelter"

    Oh, a storm is threat'ning My very life today If I don't get some shelter Oh yeah, I'm gonna fade away War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away Ooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very street today Burns like a red coal carpet Mad bull lost your way War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away Rape, murder! It's just a shot away It's just a shot away Rape, murder! It's just a shot away It's just a shot away Rape, murder! It's just a shot away It's just a shot away The floods is threat'ning My very life today Gimme, gimme shelter Or I'm gonna fade away War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away It's just a shot away It's just a shot away It's just a shot away I tell you love, sister, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Kiss away, kiss away

  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 879

    Dianarose - sorry that your tumor markers were higher than hoped. What does that mean for you going forward?

    Eli - so sorry to hear that your friend has had mets discovered.

    This effin disease just never gives up!

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 1,482

    Eli and Diana, sorry for the sucky news :( Eli, I hope your friend responds well to further treatment. Like you said, great track record for bone mets. No mets is better, but ....



    Diana, do you have any idea what your markers were in the past? I would think that might be a better guide than a random number chosen by doc, no?

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 10,618

    So sorry to hear unfortunate news, Diana and Eli~.

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 1,951

    Eli- sorry about your friend Cry.

    MO just called and moved my bone scan up to tomorrow. NERVOUS NOW.  I have to be there for 8 for injection and then back at 11 for scan. Does anyone know if the crap they inject is similar to the one they use for a PET? Also how long does the scan itself take? Then on Monday I have a CT at 11. All sucks. He said he wants to see what is going on before he prescribes an AI. It is never good news. I don't want to know anymore.

    Marlegal- that was the first time for the tumor marker tests. I did read that kidney stones can elevate them as well which I had a week ago. He did say that the CA15-3 was normal, it was the CA27-29 that was elevated. From what I read they are similar other than the way the test is preformed.

  • elimar
    elimar Member Posts: 5,886

    Dianarose, The bone scan should be over in about 45 minutes more or less.  I think mine took a little over half an hour.  The injection is different than for PET because with the PET one, you have to sit still for an hour, but as you know with this one you will go about your business for a few hours and then come back.  If I remember right there was no fasting involved with bone scan, like with the PET.  The bone scan is my "favorite" scan, if you can call it that.  (Maybe a tie with an MRI, because I do like the industrial noise sound of the MRI, but the bone scan is a little quicker.)

    I have a chainsaw symphony going on in my back yard today.  Is it costly tree trimming, you might wonder?  No.  It is storm damage limb hanging across the main power lines.  It's been threatening the power for about a month now because that's how long it took to get the utility crew out here, but the good news is when it on the lines, they foot the bill.  Better than $200 out of my pocket.

    I won't speak of weather, but a couple weeks back some golf ball sized hail (most were smaller tho') put lots of little dings in my car.  I'll have to live with that now.  Of course I was complaining about that, but then, as a cosmic joke, my son was driving by a golf course and a golf ball came flying onto the roof of the car and left a new dent bigger than the rest.  Ridiculous! 

  • loral
    loral Member Posts: 818

    Elimar FYI...Your comp. insurance covers hail damage if the dents are deep enough to be fixed. I had mine fixed years ago from large hail.

  • elimar
    elimar Member Posts: 5,886

    The comp insurance came off years ago.  My car is an old Honda, but its mileage is only middle-aged, like me.  I don't have the "trade in for something newer" gene.  Luckily, neither does my husband.  Har-har!  Tongue Out

  • chachamom
    chachamom Member Posts: 410

    Eli, sorry about your friend. Thinking of you today.

  • eph3_12
    eph3_12 Member Posts: 2,704

    That's so karma'd re: the golf ball!! Laughing

  • elimar
    elimar Member Posts: 5,886

    Robot surgery is SO last year, if you want the cool, happening surgery now, you're going to want SMART KNIFE

    p.s.  Ooops, it seems that the link to the article is not working, but you can get the idea from D's post below.

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 1,951

    http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/07/17/smart-knife-helps-surgeons-cut-cancer/

    Eli- this is a good article that explains how this knife works. True progress. Is the bone scan loud like the MRI? I didn't like that one. I didn't mind the PET scan. Are there any side effects from whatever they inject in you?

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 1,482

    Just in case Eli is busy tonight, no noise with bone scan. I agree that it was a favorite if there is such a thing. I personally would rather a bone scan over an mri.

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 1,951

    Marlegal- thanks, I like quiet. Wish I could read my book during the scan.

  • marlegal
    marlegal Member Posts: 1,482

    Diana, just don't forget to wear the pants with the biggest pockets, I know you draw a crowd! (Even if we're just hoping for some of your baked goodies!) I'll bring water and oj

  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 879

    Dianarose - you will do fine tomorrow. The bone scan is usually 40 minutes or so. They always tell me an hour, but I have never been that long. And if you can see the screen - DON'T freak out when you see lots of spots lighting up. I have always seen lots of spots, but scans always come back clean. I haven't heard of anyone experiencing side effects from the injection. I usually just close my eyes and kind of drift off to lala land when I have an MRI or bone scan.

    I will certainly be there to jump in your pocket - I have some fresh green beans and peas from the garden that I will bring. I know - not quite the delectables that we normally have, but they are so plentiful right now.

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 10,618

    Diana, make sure if you wear pants with an elastic waist, that the elastic is strong.  We woulldn't want the weight of all of us draggin' your drawers down!

    Is the smart knife like the cyber knife?

  • Dianarose
    Dianarose Member Posts: 1,951

    I love fresh green beans. Ours have flowers, but no beans yet. I did read that the color of the spots that light up or stay dark mean different things. I have a lot of hip pain, so I will soon find out if it is old age or something else.

    Marlegal- an ice cold beer would be great. It is almost 10 p.m. and still in the 80's. Too dam hot. A storm is starting. The sky is full of lightning. For some reason a storm makes me sleep better.

  • momto7
    momto7 Member Posts: 114

    Hi elimar  thanks I did not know that they has a shortage I told my daughters since they are going to go tp college hope every one is doing good tonight

  • elimar
    elimar Member Posts: 5,886

    Oh yeah, Eli is busy tonight...if by busy you mean losing my mind.  Do you mean that kind of busy?  Yesterday was the bad news about my girlfiend who is the closest thing I have to a sister.  Today, my son, the pizza delivery boy, totaled his car.  (Rain, hydroplaining, he's o.k. )  The car might be able to be reconstituted into a crumpled, ugly eyesore, ala Frankencar, but we'd have to be able to open the hood to check for internal injuries, which we cannot do now.  That's bad, right?  But wait, it gets worse.  This accident happened within ONE HALF HOUR, of him picking it up from being at the mechanic all day for maintenence and repairs costing HUNDREDS of dollars.  I seriously hope this is not one of those "bad news comes in threes" deals, because I can't take a third thing.

  • chachamom
    chachamom Member Posts: 410

    Oh, Eli! I'm so sorry! But thank God he is okay! Don't really believe in the "bad news comes in threes" thing....but if its true, I think you can count his accident as two.....one that he wrecked the car and two for the timing after the expensive maintenance/repair work. Just sayin



  • luvmygoats
    luvmygoats Member Posts: 2,484

    Diana - I'll bring desert - ice cream and wet walnuts. I'll try not to weight your pants down with a draggy droop. WoHoo - never been to Maine. You got this girl!!!

    Eli - So sorry to hear about your sister of the heart. Prayers for her. Does she have a plan yet? Gosh and about your son's car. You need a break today and not meaning McDonalds. About the repairs just done to it - I had a great uncle who would not get his car inspection done until it was almost expired. His reasoning - what it if got wrecked earlier in the month it would be a wasted inspection. Never knew him to even have a wreck. So very glad your son is OK.

    My husband's niece was headed towards something medical. She got certified in sono about 20 years or so ago - could be longer. Mid sized KY town. Think she does rather well considering she came at it a$$ backwards.