March 2011 chemo-lounge
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Praying for you lilylady.
Jules, I hope they find a vein easily. That is not fun to anticipate.
mdg, you'll do great! I hope it goes smoothly. I love the uncle Leo reference! My eyebrows and eyelashes have actually been hanging on so far. Probably because they are pretty thick, but I am not touching them or wearing any mascara for fear that they will decide to abandon me.
I have not been wearing a wig but rather head coverings. I finally wore a wig on mother's day out to lunch and discovered later (in the photos) that it was pushed back too far, so it looks like I have a giant forehead! I do have fears of hats blowing off. With the onset of hot flashes (yay), I have been going bald all the time at home. It's amazing to discover how much sweat real hair must absorb.
Chrissy- the drains are the worst part of the surgery. It's tiring, but as soon as the drains were out, I was pretty much back on my feet. If the doctor allows, take a shower as soon as you can. I had a shower seat and spray nozzle attachment on the shower; irrigating the area where the drains went in was like heaven. I had uniMX with expandable implant and was out of work for less than 2 weeks.
Good luck to all in chemo this week! I am off this week recovering from my second taxol.
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Lilylady - Thinking of you this morning and wishing you all the best.
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Thinking of you, Lilylady!
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Hi girls,just recovering from my first treatment of doxotaxol. I thought I was doing so well day 1 2 and 3 then 4 and today 5 just crap. I am so sick of being sick.I am feeling completly sorry for myself that i have to have a sensitive tummy I am sick,achy,i have a cough from a bug i picked up before chemo barely slept at all last night just down righ irritable. I HATE this and I dont want to do my last 2 treatments. did anybody stop early? I just dont know if I can keep putting myself and my family through this
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Thinking of everyone who has something going on today while waiting for my blood draw. I look forward to good updates from Maria, Jules, Lilylady, Husker sometime today. (who have I forgotten?? - sorry!). I'm hoping I can get my port out in sept when I have my bilat Mx rather than having a separate surgery for that. Re baldness, I'm now wondering if I'm toying with the idea specifically because my dp doesn't want me to go bald in public. I don't like being told what to do!! I am also having crazy vivid dreams. Gums still sore but hopefully I'm turning a corner re mouth health. Going this afternoon to an imagery & healing workshop. Hoping it'll be great.
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I am killing time til I can go back and pick up my scan report-got the disc but can't make a comparison that makes sense-I will leave that for the Onc. Young man who did the test got a little overwhelmed afterwards. I asked him when I could pick up the report and he said you doc will have it sometime today. I told him I didn't care when the doc was getting it-I wanted to know when I could get it. He said we don't release that to patients. I told him I know that isn't true. it is my medical records and I am entitled to them. He came back with-no sense frightening yourself with something you will not understand. I told him then please don't make me cause a scene-go get your boss right now. He them said I could come back in 3hrs and get the report. Silly boy....
Again on the bald look thing-I go without anything most of the time-but had to look real hard in the morror yesterday when I got home. I take my Dad to a warm water swimming pool several times a week. Besides the water temp being like bathwater they keep the room really hot so I die in there even with a ball cap. We went in the afternoon yesterday-different crowd than we usually see in the mornings. There were 6 ladies in there and they got to discussing who was the oldest in the pool-one of them turned to me and said you can't be any older than mid-sixties so I am sure you are the youngest. Now I realize with no hair you DO look different but no way do I look like I am in my mid sixties. When they asked and I told them I was only 53-the one who made the comment was so mortified she left the pool. She was still in the locker room when I went in there and the poor thing was crying. I told here don't worry about it but gee whiz made me a little anxious. Still won't wear anything in the pool but maybe better invest in some wrinkle cream
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I am sitting in the chair as i get the last ac dose. Yippie. Taxol starts june 14 i guess its a birthday present. I only lost half of my hair but i do wear a wig to work went to lowes the other day and forgot to put something on my head. I got sympathetic smiles and hard stares. I dont care.
How are you feeling Lilylady? I am going to take a break from chemo and me and my 23 yo dd are heading to new york for 6days. Enough is enough.
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lilylady- I love your attitude. That poor technician didn't know what he had coming. I know I look older without hair, and I suspect the chemo is doing some crazy work on my skin: extra spots and all, but I hope it isn't adding ten+ years...
silia: I could see myself going bald just to spite my dp. My dh shaved his head in solidarity and wishes I WOULD go out bald. Tell us how the imaging workshop goes. I am very curious.
kymn: sorry you are feeling so rotten. You have really had a rough time with all of this. I hope you are feeling better very soon. You can do this. You can get through this. You will be on the other side of this before you know it.
migallen: I hope your taxol experience is better. I have had a MUCH better time on it. I still shudder when I think of the A/C.
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Kymn -- is there any discussion about cutting your taxotere down a bit to make it more tolerable? Mine was cut to 80% after the first round due to the Big D that put me on saline IVs for 5 days. The chemo nurse told me that it can be as much an art as a science to getting the dose right. She said they see tiny old ladies who sail through without a hitch and then big, brawny men who need to have their doses cut.
lilylady -- Fingers crossed on the scans. My sis-in-law came to chemo with me last time and was a bit embarrassed because I kept asking where my copy of the blood report was. It never occurred to her ask for anything. She has a little guy with nut allergies so she ought to be getting every test result for her own records.
I don't ask, but say, "I'd like a copy of that report, please." I don't usually bother with the techs who do the scans, but the onc gives me whatever I want. They won't volunteer to give reports to you unless you indicate that you want them.
Then again, the genetics counsellor had the report ready for me when I went in today for the results. I didn't have to ask. There were 3 pages that said (in several different ways) that they found no BRCA 1 or 2 gene variants but that there could be others that they don't know about and can't test for. A lot of CYA, but I know that they have barely scratched the surface in terms of identifying gene mutations that cause cancer. I'm calling this good news because I can stop worrying about prophylactic surgeries on the other breast and the ovaries. I have no increased risk (that they know of.)0 -
LilyLady, you are one tough cookie. (I mean that in a really good way,) I really admire your spunk and attitude (and you too pasmith). Keeping everything crossed for you for clear results on your scans. You deserve some great news.
Kymn, so sorry to hear you're not feeling well again. I did pretty well with the AC, but the Taxol got me with bone pain. Overall I've had a pretty easy time though until these fevers started popping up on me. Went to the onc today for them. I was practically in tears I felt so sick. The tech took my temp and she says it's 98.1. I'm sitting there in a hoodie shivering with everyone else around me in shorts and t-shirts. I swear the NP thought I was crazy. I'm a little anemic since chemo, but white cells have really been very good. She's like well you don't have this, you don't have that, blah, blah, blah. So she sends me back to the chemo lab for some more blood tests. They take my temp over again and it's 102.8. I guess the thermometer the other tech used was broken. I know that NP thought I was crazy. Any way got a bag of IV fluids and some antibiotics to take. I feel so much better. I've had a few bad days with this and I was a miserable baby. I can't imagine what I'd be like if I had all the nausea problems you've had to go through, Kymn I hope they're able to reduce your dose or some how get you more comfortable. Hugs.
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Hi ladies...wow the lounge is busy today. It's so gooood to hear from everyone. I got the port out today. It was a breeze...I must be getting use to surgical procedures...this time I did not cry and was completely calm...said "see ya later honey - go get some lunch" while the wheeled me away (previous surgeries...lots of sobbing and crying). So the highlight was the pre-op questionnaire..."so, any chance you could be pregnant?". I said "no". She said "did you have a tubal ligation or something?". I said "no, I just got done with chemo and there has been no interest in sex....." They didn't believe me!!! I had to sign a waiver to get them not to do a pregnancy test! LOL! Really? Is that necessary? My DH was there saying "pregnancy is not possible...trust me!". Too funny!
Kymn: So sorry you are feeling like crap. I just want to bring you home made soup and bread! I would if I was closer......hang in there. Maybe you should talk with them about the dose...maybe a little less will make it just more tolerable. I hope tomorrow you wake up feeling like a new woman!!!
Lily: We are all thinking of you and waiting to hear an update......still praying! It sounds like "cancer bitch" came out a bit today with the tech! LOL! He has no idea who he is dealing with!!! Go girl!
Jules: I hope today went well!
Maxine: I am glad someone else appreciates Uncle Leo.....(smile). I guess from talking to all of you I have realized you all need someone on "wig patrol" while you are out. That person needs to tell you when the wig is not in the right spot. You need a password they give you indicating you should head to the ladies room for an adjustment. The only thing is - a man should not be the wig patrol person. My husband would not notice anything unless it was on my breast (ha ha!). When I go to the pool I have someone on boob patrol so my TE's stay in the bikini top! I can't feel my chest anymore so I would have no idea something has moved and looks odd or is showing more than it should.......Silia: I hope the workshop is good...perhaps you can share some good info with us...I need it! Let us know what you learn and if it was beneficial to attend. Min: Glad you just finished on treatment. NYC sounds like a blast! I think a break is a great idea. Have fun and eat a nice slice of NYC pizza for me!!!! (soooo good!). Pasmith: Glad BRCA came back negative...that is great news. I have to talk with my doc about BRCA tomorrow and decide if we should do the test. It is a relief to have one less thing to worry about I am sure. Kay: I hope you are feeling better. Glad someone else checked you out and was able to get you some meds. Please let us know an update. Hugs!0 -
Lilylady - still hoping and praying that you get good results from your scans. Let us know! Sorry CB had to come out, but it sounds like she didn't take any prisoners. A worthy adversary - maybe not, but CB knows how to get things done. I picture you with no wig or head cover, in a light pink muscle shirt to show your guns that has a hot pink "CB" on it! You are a warrior, girlfriend! You can kick cancer's ass to the curb, I know it!
Maria - good for you to get the port out with minimal anxiety. As you say, we get numb to all the goings on when a surgery like that is no big deal. LOL on the bikini watch, I know what you mean. When I go to FL in two weeks wtih my mom, I'll have to be on alert the "girls" don't escape. And then there's my wig, hah!
Silia - let us know about the workshop. That was an important part of the Anti Cancer book and my therapists have told me positive imagery is really beneficial in helping to fight it as well.
Jules - hope they got a vein on the first try! Also that you and Migallen are not having too bad of side effects.
Kymn - I'm so sorry this has been so hard on you! Maybe see if they can change your meds, reduce your dose, call your doc and give them an earful. I wish I was closer, like Maria, to bring you flowers and a trashy magazine and make you laugh for a while. You can do this!
Pasmith - I'm like you on the BRCA testing. At least given what we know we don't have increased risk.
Kay - sorry to hear about your infection and fevers. It sounds like the meds really helped, I hope you are feeling better.
Everyone else, hope it's been a good day. My energy is coming back, still having weird leg aches but decided to ignore them. I'm done with giving the side effects any attention, mind over matter, if possible!
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Well, all of your prayers and good wishes worked for me today. Thanks so much everyone. The first thing the chemo nurse said when she saw as me was "OH NO! IT'S JULES". I wasn't offended, I just had to laugh knowing she was dreading it as much as I was. But I really pushed the water yesterday and this morning, and reminded her to wrap my arm in a heating pad. She was able to start an IV on the first try.
5 down and one to go!
Lilly, I admire your assertiveness. My mom is that way, and I sometimes wish I had gotten more of it from her. I feel like my face had aged 5 years in the last 3 months, especially with deep wrinkles around my mouth. I'm still contemplating what if anything to do about it.
Also, although I haven' t lost my eyebrows and eyelashes completely, I do have big gaping white holes in them. I have learned to fill the eyebrows in with pencil, and I fill in the eyelashes with liquid eyeliner. It works pretty well, but I plan to try false eyelashes for my nephew's wedding on June 3. I've never applied them before, so that should be an adventure.
Kymn, please hang in there. I'm sure you know the importance of chemo for triple negative BC. Please talk to your oncologist about the side effects. You will get through this if you take care of yourself first. Don't feel guilty for putting your family through this. They need you to get well.
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Suspense is over--I ACTUALLY HAVE ABOUT 50% LESS CANCER THAN i DID WHEN DIAGNOSED!!!! rESULTS FROM THE SCAN COULD NOT HAVE BEEN BETTER.
Breast tumour now almost 50% smaller and less dense-unfortunately still shows attached to the right pectoral muscle
Liver tumour-which was my biggest tumour by far-has significantly decreased in size and density and is now very difficult to visualize. All micro tumours across the liver surface are gone. No new growths detected.
Lung report was a little harder to understand. Some things they thought were tumours did not change in size and ddensity and are attributed to old granulomatous disease? They list these as both calcified and non-calcified. Other tumours scattered thruout both lungs have changed in size and desity but it doesn't seem to me to be equal in shrinkage amount compared to the others.
The onc called but I wasn't here so I will call him back tomorrow. All he said on the answering machine is "I am so happy for you. We have great results from your scan today. Call me tomorrow and we will go over it line by line if you want. " Pretty cool. There ARE things on there I don't understand but overall shrinking is enough for tonight. I get my 4th TCH Friday.
Thanks for all your kind thoughts and prayers.
Kay-how the hell does a place that treats cancer patients have a broken thermometer? At 102+ they should have been able to look at you or put a hand on your forehead and tell you had a fever. I swear I think the NPs are some of the worst in the cancer places. I like the one at my new place but at the old place I couldn't stand any of the 3 of them. Superior acting know-it-all a**holes. Ooops-did I say that out loud?
Migallen-what are you guys going to do in NY? I think that is where my girlfriend group are going to celebrate after I get done kicking cancer butt. Are you going to actual New York city? So glad your AC is over. Glad I didn't have to take the red devil.
Jules-Hope they found your vein today and may your SEs be few this coming week. I go Friday and I always love the next 2 days-feel like theres nothing I can't do thanks to the steroid buzz.
Silia-I have said from the beginning positive thinking and the power of prayer would see me thru this. It isn't the worst thing that has happened in my life-that would be when my husband died-but you deal with the hand you are dealt. I will be interested in your take on your workshop. I have done so well with chemo-that may play a big part in why I CAN stay positive.
Kym-I am going to send you a dose of tough love. You are to to even think of NOT doing your last 2 tx. You are so close to finishing. You are a Stage 1 TN-you KNOW your best chance to beat this forever is to go aggressive. I know it is your SEs talking because you are way tougher than you think. Tell your family what you need to get thru this-demand it if you have to. I hope I haven't offended but please please keep going. Sounds like the girls might be onto something in asking them to reduce your dose so you can at least have some peace from being sick. I feel so bad for you but I know you can get this done.
Maria-so glad the nasty port is out-and you were so brave.
Girls-I might have to take a whole Ambien tonight-too psyched tp sleep.
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Lily! I am SOOOOO Happy. I have been checking all evening hoping you would post an update. I am soooo relieved! That is great news. You are quite the go getter...reading your post gives me strength, hope and energy. You are a force to be reckoned with girl....true inspiration in my eyes. HUGS! I am celebrating with you by taking a xanax tonight (ha ha!). I guess that's what us BC gals do to celebrate these days...ambien and xanax. Putting a song in the juke box just for you......Walking on Sunshine by Katrina and the Waves (just feels like it should be sunny after your post).
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So happy for you Lilylady! So glad I read this before I turned the computer off and went to bed. Saying an extra prayer for you tonight. You too Kymn. You really have had a time of this. But as usualy Lilylady is right. You are strong enough to get through this. Lilylady I think you might have had something to do with that attitude of Maria's. Loved it Maria. I am going to have to think of some snarky remark to say to the onc next week about broken thermometers. The NP did feel my neck. Don't know why docs do that? And said you do feel warm. I think you're right. It is pretty crazy to see me shivering and bundled up like that and believe a temp of 98. I was there yesterday for the Herceptin and had a normal temp, but still I said it was 102 when I took it at home. I think she thought I was faking or something. What am I 10?
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Lily, I am a Jan girl, but still occasionally stop by the lounge. I saw your earlier posts and just stopped by and saw your great news. I am soo happy for you and glad you have an onc who is behind you and working for you. Wishing you continued success on kicking cancer to the curb. I also will celebrate tonight with an ambien and a xanax, ambien is everynight, xanax just for special occasions. I love the way that mdg thinks!
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Lilylady-Such wonderful news!!! I am so happy for you. I am amazed at your positive attitude.
Anyone have to take Lasix for water retention? I am having a hard time with my arm where the nodes came out, and it seems much worse this go around. Not sure why but I have blown up like a balloon and am swollen everywhere. The onc prescribed me three days worth of Lasix. I guess I need to be near a bathroom all of the time. How often am I going to be going?
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Yay Lily! Glad to hear your news. What a relief!
Maria, glad the port is out. One less thing to worry about.
Kymn, darn it all. Hugs to you. I'm heading to Vancouver this week (leaving tomorrow) and wish we could just keep driving that bus and meet up! I would heat up Maria's soup for you, because I know she is a much better cook! Keep checking in. From one TN to another, you do have to fight this agressively, but it doesn't mean you have to suffer so dearly to do it. Keep bugging the nurse, the onc, or whomever. I got my Taxol reduced twice because of the numbness and tingling. I still have some but not near as bad as before. If it hadn't improved, they were going to stop it. And that was as scary to me as the neuropathy. Is there a social worker or counselor at your cancer center? Do what you need to, girlfriend, but make sure you are getting all the help and info you need first.
I need to go pack. Bus leaves tomorrow for Seattle/Vancouver. With 30 HS kids. And I'm tired. But today was our last day of school-yay! Tomorrow is a work day and we start checking bags at 1:30. Looking for contraband. Can't be sneaking anything over the border into Canada!
As for dreams, the Ambien gives me mostly dreamless nights. But Maria you are right. We need wig spotters. I am going to have the music teacher that is my roommate and friend be a spotter for me. Wish I would have played with the scarves before now. Think I will be wearing some hats, but they don't fit over the wig. Hope I don't shock anyone unnecessarily, including my son. I wear hats or caps at home.
I'll check in if I can, otherwise I'll at least read posts and think of all of you and send prayers all your way, wherever you are.
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lilylady - brilliant! I am so pleased for you, just think there are ladies smiling all round the world at your good news.
kay - get any infection sorted asap - we know much better than them when something is wrong. I was lying there shaking like a leaf and they said it was just a SE because there was no obvious focus. Next day I was red all down in side and they then agreed it was an infection. I am still on antibiotics, wound is still red and I am supposed to have chemo #5 on Friday.
Kymn - like Kristy I am scared they won't carry on with #5. Its horrible but its your best chance at a long life and you have come so far. I have read the medical journals and there is hard evidence that it is more likely to come back if you do not finish. You do NOT want to be doing this again later on. Wish we could all give you a hug to help you along.
Kristy - hope your trip goes well. Rest if you need to, I can't even think of coping with 30 HS kids!
Jules - glad they found a vein first time - they have the same reaction when I walk in and its such a relief when they don't have to dig around. Only one more to go for you!
Maria - port gone - one more step towards normal
supersally - great attitude to the SEs maybe I can ignore mine this time round.
Lots of love to everyone - how far we have all come
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Lilylady - YIPPEE!!! All your hard work in dealing with the chemo is <
Paying off! I am so happy for you and inspired for myself. This reinforces the importance of powering through all the difficulties.
Kymn - you have had such a tough time - it's not fair... You should not stop chemo prematurely in my opinion. Remember the goal is to put this behind you once and for all. I know it's grueling but please hang in there.
Great to hear everyone else's updates. I'm chuckling anticipating we'll continue to have wig stories and maybe some about false eyelashes!! Sweet dreams and no fevers wished for all of you.0 -
Lilly, I am so happy for you...words cannot express.
Penny, good luck on Thurs.my Aussie TAC pal. Hope they hit a vein straight way.
I need a good wig spotter. The fibers on my favorite one are a little stiff, and when the wind blows, even a little, the hairs stand striaght up in places and just stay there. I've tried to train my DH to let me know when this happens, but sometimes he forgets. When I get funny looks from strangers, I know it's time to find a mirror and check it.
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lilylady -- I'm so glad to hear that the chemo is working and you are seeing significant improvements. It's beyond great news for you, but it's also great news for those of us who have to go on faith that the chemo is worth the pain. That you have tangible evidence that the chemo is killing the cancer makes me feel more confident that it's doing the same for me. A strong attitude is so important in this game.
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Kymn- Taxol through me for a loop too. I have been crying almost every day since. They said I wouldn't need to ice my hands or feet but I've had nothing but problems with them. I thought for sure that I was going to lose 5 or 6 nails but they are hanging on. The soreness and burning are so frustrating. I think they might have finally healed...just in time for tx #2 tomorrow(my birthday...ugh) I'm left with ugly brown and yellow marks under the affected nails. The fatigue is overwhelming me. I know this is partly due to my anemia. I have a constant pain in my chest, like there's a brick on it. and my tumour is giving me some discomfort again; this went away when I was on A/C. The tumour seems to be hardening again too. Dealing with loss of eyelashes and brows, and now that warm weather is here, the heat from my wig is driving me insane. 10 weeks into chemo, and I'm ready to throw in the towel too, but I won't. Then surgery, then radiation...phew
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lilylady: I am so happy for your good news! So great that the chemo has worked.
I love how all of us in the chemo lounge celebrate: with ambien and xanax! Such a bunch of party animals!!!
Jules: so glad they found the vein this time.
mdg: you are cool as a cucumber when it comes to surgery now. Way to go!
Husker: have a great trip. I hope your wig stays put! I hope all of the wigs stay put. I second the suggestion that the wig spotter NOT be a man.
I'm curious, is anyone else planning a big celebration or trip when all of this is over? I keep thinking about where our family should travel to celebrate. My dh tells me to choose where we go. On one hand, I would love to just lie on a beach and soak in sun. On the other, I would like to see some new places that I have never been. I am more of a national park person than a city girl (and of course my dh loves cities) so I'm thinking out west to the Grand Canyon or something. Anyone have any brilliant ideas? Anyone else dreaming about a trip?
I am off to meet a radiation oncologist today to get set up for next treatments. I am currently getting my chemo in Chicago, but I will have to do radiation closer to home since it's five days a week and I work. Still 2 more chemo treatments; surely radiation won't be as miserable.
Celebrating with all of the good news around this lounge!
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Maxine: We are celebrating with travel. We usually go to the Bahamas every year and I figured we would do that but then lots of friends/family asked if we wanted to do a trip somewhere after I was done with treatment. We did not know how to choose who to go with so we proposed a group family trip to the Outer Banks in North Carolina. My sister and her kids are going along with my neighbor and her family, a good friend that I use to work with and her family and my BFF and her family. We rented an 8 BR house with a pool, hot tub, game room, etc... by the beach for a week. This weekend my DH, son and I are heading to Chicago - just the 3 of us for some family time. I can't wait! I love the idea of planning something special with family after all the treatment stuff.
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Done with chemo!!!!!! Moving on to radiation!
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Leeann - Congratulations!! Very happy for you. You'll kick out rads in no time.
I'm so glad for everyone who has travel plans. I need to schedule a little trip to the Jersey shore. I feel more relaxed just thinking about it...0 -
MaxineO -- we have travel planned but it's hard to claim that it's a post-chemo celebration. We already had a Mediterranean cruise planned well before my diagnosis. This is a year of milestones for our family: both the DH and I hit the big 5-0 and my older son is off to university. Now I can add the end of chemo to the list.
We were going to leave at the end of June after the kids finished their exams, but chemo threw a wrench in the works. My DH decided to change it to mid-August so that my older son can still go with us. I'm a little concerned that it will be too soon, and I won't have it in me to keep up the sightseeing pace. I will also have to deal with the heat in Italy. But I will do what I can and enjoy the R&R.
I may have to tweak my herceptin schedule in Aug to work around the cruise, but I'm not going to worry about that until I know that I'm on target to finish the Tax and Carbo on July 6th. There are still shortages of the Carbo and I'm a bit concerned that I will be delayed.
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Lilylady - I'm so happy you got such great news! I think part of your success is your mental attitude - you are kicking cancer's ass to the curb! You are an inspiration and women all over the world did cheer right along wtih you. Oh yes, and take drugs
Pasmith - wow, your cruise sounds wonderful! A trip like that is on my short list of things to do.
Maxine - if you have not seen the Grand Canyon it is a truly awesome experience. We went a few years ago and stayed in Sedona, which is quite an interesting place.
Penny - good luck today, hoping the chair goes well for you.
Husker - hope your trip is going well, can't wait to hear if the wig stayed put.
Jules - glad they found a vein this time, what a relief! Hope you are SE free, or minimal at least.
We have a trip similar to Maria's planned for a family vacation in late July. We are going to Seaside, FL, though and renting a 6 BR house with another family. We have other friends who will be there at the same time. I am going to Naples, FL, in a couple weeks with my mom on a girls trip. I'm very excited! DH and I have a long weekend with another couple planned in Sept, after my exchange surgery (hopefully). None of these are specifically to celebrate, but they all are a celebration, as is every day!
I hope everyone has a great day, best to anyone going today or tomorrow to the chair
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