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CONSTIPATION--problem with so many of our drugs

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  • Loveroflife
    Loveroflife Member Posts: 4,243

    Nerdy

  • minustwo
    minustwo Member Posts: 13,389

    Kind of quiet. Hope everyone is doing well.

    My friend brought me some samples of these muffins Friday. She made them in mini muffin pans & they are so delicious I have to stop myself from warming every one in the microwave and covering with butter & eating them all right now. Seems like a good fit for this thread, especially since you can pop them in the freezer & bring out a couple every day.

    BRAN & FRUIT MUFFINS High fiber, low fat & they freeze beautifully

    1-1/2 cups skim buttermilk

    1-1/3 cups whole bran cereal (she used original AllBran)

    1-3/4 cups whole-wheat flour

    2 teasp cinnamon

    1 teasp baking soda

    1 teasp double acting baking powder

    1/2 teasp salt

    1/2 cup firmly packed light brown sugar

    12 pitted prunes, finely chopped

    1 egg

    3 tablespoons vegetable oil

    24 pitted dates, chopped

    2 apples, grated

    DIRECTIONS:

    Preheat oven to 400 degrees F Spray 18 2- 3/4" muffin cups w/nonstick cooking spray

    Combine buttermilk & cereal in large bowl & let stand 5 minutes

    Meanwhile, in medium bowl, combine: Flour, cinnamon, baking soda, baking powder & salt

    Add the sugar, prunes, egg & oil to cereal mixture Mix well w/a wooden spoon

    Stir in the dates & apples & the flour mixture until just combined Do not over mix

    Spoon batter evenly into cups – filling about 2/3 full.

    Bake until golden & toothpick comes out clean Approx20-25 minutes

    Cool on rack 10 minutes then remove from pans Cool complete on rack

  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 1,983

    Those sound good Minus! Thanks for the recipe. I think I might attempt these.

    Smile

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894


  • minustwo
    minustwo Member Posts: 13,389

    Hey SAS - thanks for the Mother's Day wishes. Hope all is OK w/you.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Thanks MT, doing good Doing the BACKstroke LOL. How about you? Moving yet? Pain? I Haven't been on much.Enjoying the break from trouble. April and May here in Cocoa Florida has been absolutely stunning. Only had the air on once. Doors open with beautiful breezes and blue skies :)

    Hope all you Mother's have a great day. :)

  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 1,983

    Sas, I had NO idea you lived in Cocoa! I would have tried to get together for lunch or something! I was just there the week of April 23rd! It was very hot most of that week so not sure what your tolerance is for heat, but I had the air cranking in my condo/timeshare at Cocoa Beach almost daily but at night and all morning, we did open the sliders and enjoyed the sounds of the ocean and felt the breeze. Maybe because I am from the Northeast where it is still chilly and I was not yet used to the heat. You live in a beautiful area of FL. I love it there. I go there every year, usually in the fall but this year we went in the spring due to some appointments hubby had to attend with my FIL who lives in St. Augustine Beach.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    April :) April in central Florida is stunning. It is the greatest and most predictable month of the year. For Northener's it can seem different --humid, hot. But April is the least humid, least stormy, most consistent in heat. Once acclimated to central Florida, it is devine. So. sorry we didn't connect. Catch you any time in the future. Love BCO visit connections.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 1,748

    I finally had my colonoscopy, that was painful during in places.  Result is it is all clear BUT is "tortuous" - ie twisted and believed to be from adhesions.........so this is why I am having problems.  Now I think I need to go back to the doctor and get referral to surgeon to get adhesions lasered...........as cannot think of any other option.  Does anyone have any ideas?

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Hi, Lily, I think it's worth the discussion. It's a quality of life issue. With this description you would have to correlate clinical findings with symptoms. Ahahah, twenty questions. If you want I can answer these, but the key discussion is with your docs. If I think of anymore I'll let you know. Very glad you went. Nothing like knowing there is no cancer.

    Is there abdominal pain at rest? Is there abdominal pain when there are the wave like motions (peristalsis) in the abdomen? Generally, these aren't noticed. But with a tortuous path it could happen. Particularly, with bowel movements. If pain is present, is the abdominal pain interfering with life? Am I more prone to constipation? Should I be on a special diet? Should I use a polyethelene glycol product? (you know I'm not fond of PEG's, but with the description of your colon it may be a consideration).

    Questions for the Gi doc and surgeon doc. Am I more prone to Bowel obstruction? How are bowel obstructions managed? What are the complications of bowel obstruction? Can the large bowel tortuous path entrap the small intestine? Are tortuous colons more likely to spin on themselves(volvulus)? What are the complications of volvulus? If during an acute episode of a bowel obstruction or volvulus, how is the bowel put back together? Is there a chance a colostomy needs to be done?

    Types of treatment for description of condition

    1. Medical management: stool management plan and possibly diet recommendations.

    2. Surgical management: Laproscopic Lysis of Adhesions Laser Assisted. Do the benefits of scar release out weigh the risks of surgery? Does scar tissue return after the vaporizing? Is there a risk of perforating the bowel with the laser beam? How would that be managed?

    There you go, I love these exercises in brain cells. Hugs Lily :)

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Hi MT how's the shoulder? I'm doing good. Backstroking :)

    Hi, April and Judi

    I had a colonoscopy last week. One hyperplastic polyp. They don't turn cancerous, but are removed. YAY next one in five years.

    Learned a lesson. My doc ordered "Sure Prep" my copay would have been 84$. I told the doc I wouldn't afford it. He gave me a sample kit. 0$.

    Hope all are doing well

  • minustwo
    minustwo Member Posts: 13,389

    Oh SAS - you must be so much more compliant than I am about exercising. Backstroking!!! I'm no where close to that. My doc didn't prescribe PT so I'm just doing the exercises at home. Ugh. I go back for another set of X-rays mid June, so I really need to get cracking.

    Hooray for your good colonoscopy. I got a 5 years call back last time too.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Hi MT, well chickie, we had different injuries and I have the nursing background to pull from. I have had life long total (wandering) body pain. My tolerance may be way different b/c of this. I know you have fibro too. What dimension Post Polio adds to it, I don't know. Ironically, I never reach a level of no pain b/c of improved use, it just gets worse. Sounds strange that I still push. When we stop moving, we decline, that decline can lead to a chair only, then a bed only with others having to take care of all our needs. Then the last indignity of being put in diapers b/c staff can't get there fast enough. I have seen patients(too many) that have done just this description. That's why I don't mind the pain much, I know what's coming if I don't keep moving. A bit of Tramadol when I need it and off I go. Plus, I have a staff to take care of the really hurtfull stuff. Lawn guy, cleaning gal(every 2 weeks), two bug guys, and a pool guy. That way my time is just for me. Selfish, but it is good.

    LOverly Hootie hoo reposting that info here from Insomniacs. Be back with the Nash stuff. To our group, this info is applicable here as a resource that's why I'm reposting it. Loverly posted a few pages ago. We were attempting to get her to see a GI guy b/c her PCP was not knowledgeable enough to work through her problem. I guess I'll rework the post.

    I often dislike saying what I'm thinking, not that anyone could tell............But I'm worried about NASH. This is a reasonable link to NASH explanation.

    http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health...

    You are too young for a fatty liver and most if not all the predisposing risk factors are absent. Plus, yellow stools aren't normal. Do you hear that youngin? Tain't normal.

    Ah-hah Loverly I found this very good link to describe everything you never wanted to know about yellow stools..

    BTW Healthline.com is a very good resource web site. I used to recommend WebMD and MayoClinic.com, but now I will be checking with and recommending Healthline.com as a first resource. :) It's very layperson friendly.

    http://www.healthline.com/health/digestive-health/yellow-stool#Ininfants7

  • JudiH
    JudiH Member Posts: 1,168

    Hi Sad! Having trouble with the site .... keep having to have my password reset! Ugggh! Thanks MT for the link .... I sent them an email and I'm waiting to hear what's happening. So, I guess I'll just keep having the password reset. Sas, yes I agree with "bearing with the pain". What you described if we don't endure is no way to live. God, I hope that doesn't happen to any of us!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Hi Judi, I think lots of people "bear the pain". At least the statitisics support that. Whole industries develop products to relieve the pain. Some days are better than others. My thoughts about pain are often driven by the days pain or if there is a recent run of higher pain. It's exhausting and the exhaustion is also on a spectrum. I do look at folks that say they have no pain and it's a wonder too me. What is ...is............

    MT did my going off on a tangent upset you?

  • minustwo
    minustwo Member Posts: 13,389

    Heavens no SAS. Just got involved getting quotes to fix some things around the house.

    BTW - I don' have fibro. I was fortunate not to have any health problems before cancer. Well, that's a little exaggeration since I've always had skin cancers. But literally, I quit smoking & drinking cokes 4 years before cancer. I walked 5 miles a day, worked out an additional hour 5 days a week, did water aerobics 3 days a week, and the strongest medication I took was a daily Centrum Silver. Now - oooo-weee. I'm mad that I can't get halfway back to where I was. I'm mad that I can't tell if it's the treatment side effects (like neuropathy & lymphadema & osteoperosis - thank you cancer), or the result of the 5 year difference in age. Ugh!! Sorry for complaining. Just tired today I guess.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Oh MT, so glad I didn't offend, sometimes I can and am oblivious as I talk on. We have our core team here and that's important. Recognize that to the whole BCO group what we do here is important. 23,000 views last I looked. That's very high in the side effects forum. Hugs

  • JudiH
    JudiH Member Posts: 1,168

    Sas, as my dh says to me "rate the pain .... is it a 1 or two or 8 to 10. I tell him to keep quiet as the pain is the pain and I can't rate it. But we will find something one day to take care of the pain and not become addicted. I have to admit that since I have been off of Letrozole, I don't have the knee pain anymore. Plus, with my exercising I feel good. I'm just tired but MT I have to admit, I think it is the age difference of plus five!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Judi, erhum...I did a thread on pain scale :0 It was a sore subject for me :)https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/136/topics/839123?page=1

    MT oh MT>>> I got off the CT table the other day and the Pain Gremlin decided I needed a new experience. Left Spinal Nerve root, maybe L2, went bonkers for about 12 hours. The beauty of drugs helped fix it :)

  • JudiH
    JudiH Member Posts: 1,168

    Sas, I sure you you are feeling better and found some relief!

  • Jesika63
    Jesika63 Member Posts: 25

    i was given flagyl this morning for lower abd pain. I have extensive diverticulosis and it have been acting up ever since i started taking aromasin. MO say it has nothing to do with that. I need some advice. I will start the my treatment today and i want to know which probiotic will be best to take with the antibiotic and how many. I know if i take the antibiotic alone i am going to create another problem in my stomach. ty for your help. I hope every is doing well.





  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Jesika Hi welcome here .........sorry you have a problem. Who prescribed the Flagyl?

    MO, was likely saying that with out looking at the overall picture. All drugs have consequences. All drugs don't work the same in all people. If a drug causes a response in only a very small percentage of the population receiving the drug then they negate the connection b/c it's not known in the general population. But you aren't the general population. You are you. If it happens to you it's a 100%.

    Diverticulosis generally acts up with a change in bowel habit's i.e. constipation or diarrhea.

    You didn't mention a change. Is there a change?

    Please, scroll back till you find Lily's first post. Then follow her history here with here posts. The drugs seriously impacted her course. Impacted here is used in both it's meanings. She couldn't go and it changed the course of her treatment plan.

    Generally, with diverticulosis where a bout of diverticulitis is diagnosed the two drugs prescribed together are Keflex and Flagyl. Odd the doc didn't perscribe both. Both as you know affect bowel flora health.

    I believe getting your Probiotic from a reputable Health food store is important. The care of the product in transport to the store or you is important. Exposure to heat may kill the good bacteria in the product. Solaray is the product I have faith in. I say faith b/c the neutirceutical market is not controlled by the FDA. You must study a companies method of transport to decide if they are safe. Others may jump in and describe companies they have faith in.

    My extended concern for you is whether you have a gasteroenterologist -GI guy-involved with your care.?

    Please read the first page here. I did a teaching and an opinion piece on diverticulosis and diverticulitis.

    Since this is a long response, I'm going to BOLD questions or words I want you to key in on. Sassy.

  • Jesika63
    Jesika63 Member Posts: 25

    My GP prescribed the Flagyl-500mg 3x a day for two weeks. I did get constipated for a few days and yes i do have a GI doc., involved. He is suppose to to a colonoscopy on July 15. The colonoscopy cannot be done until i am all clear. I am not sure if i should stop the aromasin and see if that is what brought on my pain and gave me a flare-up. I went to the GP because the gastro doc. does not take walk-ins. I would have to make an appointment with him.





  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    Jesika, Yes, the general rule of thumb is clear for 6 weeks after the abdominal pain or other symptoms. Remember to check stools for bleeding. Keep a stool diary. The tuff part is that the 6 week wait time starts again if you have symptoms again. You should check with the GI guy however you have too. Appointment or phone. The two drugs hit different classes of bugs(bacteria etc). They are always prescribed in tandem when prescribed by a GI guy. It's the Standard of Care.

    It's a tough decision about stopping the Aromasin. Maybe reading Lily's story will help. I stopped the three drugs. At each point that I chose to stop, I reached the line that I was not going to further sacrifice my health. I think each person know' s when that time is for them. Follow your inner voice.

  • Loveroflife
    Loveroflife Member Posts: 4,243

    Hi , Ladies !!

    Jesika, please take a look at this chart.image

    There are three bacteria on here that might help prevent antibiotic-induced diarrhea. Not easy to find one that contains all three. So far this is the only brand I found that has all three bacteria in the ingredients:image

    A bottle of 90 caps costs about $29 dollars on Amazon. I take a different kind made by the same company for my GI trouble ( unformed stool with occasional diarrhea). I have been on the probiotics for roughly 3 weeks.So far my stool is good. The only complaint I have is mild nausea if I take it on an empty stomach. Make sure you take the probiotics at least 2 hours apart from Flagyl. I had the nausea and metallic taste in the mouth(common side effects) with Flagyl. Remember to take it with food.


  • 70charger
    70charger Member Posts: 591

    Thought you could use a giggle. Franimage

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 15,894

    &0, Hahahahahahha, have you seen this one. Amusing :)Five Constipated Men

  • minustwo
    minustwo Member Posts: 13,389

    I hope this thread isn't lagging because we are all blocked (pun intended)

    And on a serious note - I had my first Prolia shot yesterday. I waded through all the paperwork for both the patient & the doctor that came with the prepackaged shot. I expected most of the possible side effects. But imagine my surprise when I came across CONSTIPATION.

    Has anyone else had experience with Prolia being constipating? Or not? That's the last thing I need!!!

  • dsgirl
    dsgirl Member Posts: 193

    Hi MinusTwo.

    Sorry have no experience with Prolia, it has been suggested for me. Hopefully someone will pop in and tell about their experience with it.

    I have osteoporosis, was actually diagnosed way back in early 1990ties. I had volunteered tor a trial via Planned Parenthood for the Fosamax trial, osteoporosis is rampant in my female family history, and I was told after a dexa scan that I could not join the study, since I already had osteoporosis. Subsequently my doctor put me on female hormone therapy calcium with D etc. later I took fosamax for 10 years, stopped hormone therapy as well, because there was no change in my -T scores all those years. I still hover around -3.something every other year I have a dexa scan, but so far so good, no fractures except a pelvic bone fracture when I fell on ice, can't blame that on osteoporosis.

    I am btw doing good in avoiding constipation by still doing the apricot, prune, golden raisins and cranberries, stewed together with water. I eat about 1/4 of a cup of this stew every day with my yogurt and have no constipation problem. I also drink the warm cup of water before coffee and breakfast in the AM, and "go" right after. I am slightly bored and annoyed that I have to eat the stew every day, but eat it anyway since it works for me.

    dsgirl

  • minustwo
    minustwo Member Posts: 13,389

    dsgirl - "bored & annoyed" captures it perfectly.