Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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got shingles, 3rd time, first time since this trouble (& no, it hasn't been diagnosed). just took a hot bath with 8 shakes of the oregano oil (organic I think), did it once a few days ago. it works for awhile. also cleaning the side with witch hazel & appliing (slippery slope I know, patroleum bacitrans, hoping to starve the virus), but at least we (I ) know it's not necesarily from any chemical infusions
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Hi.
My Mom was diagnosed just before her 90th birthday with invasive ductal carcinoma in her right breast. It was a very tiny tumor and she had a lumpectomy at NY Presbyterian Hospital. No lymph nodes were affected. She had the surgery done exactly 2 weeks ago. Besides being a bit tired she is healing very well.
Pathology report thankfully came back showing clear margins. She will not need radiation. It is classified as stage 1. Here's the catch: her tumor was 95% estrogen positive and the oncologist is talking about putting her on a medication like Tamoxifen for 5 years to make sure the cancer does not return. My Mom has always been very holistic (followed Pritikin and before that health guru Adele Davis!) and does not want to go on a harsh medication at her age, especially one that may ruin her current great quality of life. She is very healthy and active and mentally with it. The doctor kind of made the comment that if the side effects were unbearable then she could stop. My Mom said I don't want the side effects to begin with! I would like to know if we should be fearful of going the natural route at her age? She really wants to, but I guess I grew up with the mentality, "listen to your doctor.
Feedback please!
Thanks a million.
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Hi.
My Mom was diagnosed just before her 90th birthday with invasive ductal carcinoma in her right breast. It was a very tiny tumor and she had a lumpectomy at NY Presbyterian Hospital. No lymph nodes were affected. She had the surgery done exactly 2 weeks ago. Besides being a bit tired she is healing very well.
Pathology report thankfully came back showing clear margins. She will not need radiation. It is classified as stage 1. Here's the catch: her tumor was 95% estrogen positive and the oncologist is talking about putting her on a medication like Tamoxifen for 5 years to make sure the cancer does not return. My Mom has always been very holistic (followed Pritikin and before that health guru Adele Davis!) and does not want to go on a harsh medication at her age, especially one that may ruin her current great quality of life. She is very healthy and active and mentally with it. The doctor kind of made the comment that if the side effects were unbearable then she could stop. My Mom said I don't want the side effects to begin with! I would like to know if we should be fearful of going the natural route at her age? She really wants to, but I guess I grew up with the mentality, "listen to your doctor.
Feedback please!
Thanks a million.
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There are natural approaches also, at her age she is likely to die from something else!! Look up indole 3 carbinol, DIM, juicing ......i would not take these at her age
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I would not want to do it if I was her. But it should be her decision---
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With a very small, stage 1 cancer, which is what I had also, I only took 3 years of tamoxifen, then refused to do AIs. But I was 47 at diagnosis, so I took it just to be on the safe side. If I were 90 years old, I'd easily decide to decline the tamoxifen without a second thought!
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Hello everyone, just wondering if anyone has any knowledge re: MILK THISLE
I use it to bring down my liver enzymes increased by arimidex and cholesterol medication.
I am a little confused about it's use and BC!
Thank you.
MENA
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I wouldnt do Tamox if I were 90, 80, or 70. No way. LIke others have stated, there are more natural ways to keep the estrogen down.......and how much estrogen DOES a 90 yr old woman have anyway? How about a hormones level test? On second thought, I think we can safely say her levels would be low....... Spare her the SEs she may have - minimal or otherwise. Sending lots of love to your mom and your family!
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I can't do AI's and have refused Tamox now, no way would I go on it at 90. Juicing, diet, DIM. I'd let her enjoy her life. She'll probably see 100!
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Lioness, Sounds like your mom has made up her mind which is nice these days as so many older people have descisions made for them. She has followed a hollistic lifestyle and probably wants to continue. Tell her my tumor was ER+ and after they did chemo I had estrogen levels of a 9 year old girl and I was 45. She wouldn't have a terrible amount at her age.
I was stage 3 with a 10 cm lump attached to chest wall. I eat pretty hollistic and exercise to keep estrogen tamped down even more as my weight makes a bit of estrogen as well as my ovaries probably produce a bit still. I did hormone therapy and mom is right. Side efffects are not a good quality of life. She can live years at stage 1
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Thanks to all of you gals who wrote in with advice and supportive words of wisdom. We will go the natural route and I have already started my research. This whole site has been a godsend for me and my family ever since Mom was diagnosed a few months ago. I appreciate you all and send prayers your way. Joy.
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Highly suggest seeing a naturopath, maybe one with experience in cancer. Seeing one was a wealth of info for me on supplements and diet changes!
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the oncologist is talking about putting her on a medication like Tamoxifen for 5 years to make sure the cancer d
CRAZY!
I say let her be.I work with seniors and know several in the 80s who had somple LX and done.
jmo
ASIDE: Dont know a 90 yr old who could handle chemo. They generally do not give it even for advanced cases let alone this .
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I am 77 and decided on a lumpectomy, no rads and no hormonals. The benefit for the rads was only like 3 percent and according to a Danish study, hormonals are not beneficial for women over 70. So after suffering thru very bad SEs I opted out of the hormonals.
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Yes dogsandjogs - i thought that was the universal idea - wondering why they are offering TX to this woman?
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It is my understanding that if the cancer returns, the hormonals will hopefully kill the cells. But when you are older, cancer grows more slowly so even if it did return it would be at least 7 to 8 years before a lump could be even detected.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this!
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I had shingles and the pain is something you can't explain. There are two things that when I think it could happen again I panic. They are shingles and poison ivy. Well I might add - cancer. My husband and family were amazed at how I handled the surgery and radiation. I really didn't have time to think because everything happened so fast. I have more of an issue now about the fear of it coming back. I know it could happen and I am not afraid of dying but it really seemed to take a lot out of me and I hope I don't have to go through it again. I also have pain in my armpit where they took the lymph nodes out. It hurt some but then I put my arm in a strain filing and I have had trouble every since. It is getting a little better. Not sure what I did.
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Claudia, it is nice to metz (!) you. Just remember, please give yourself a break. you didnt deserve this you did not create it, and you will get better. treatments including surgury can and will cause all kinds of other major and minor problems, and all we can do, is try to find and remember the joy and exuberance that we had at some parts of our lves, and try to create more of them. do as much as you can do, the things that give you a sense of inner joy, it really is the best medicine, and pi$$Es can(not)cer off. I am so completely sorry that you are experiencing shingles, i havent, but i do have the herpes simplex virus,thats bad enough, but i am sure shingles is x 100 worse. give yourself all the time in the world to heal. women carry so much of taking care of others that we begin to forget to take care of ourselves. Please. take rest and take hope that this too shall pass, please close your eyes, give yourself a hug, and rock yourself with a sweet gentle sway, and give yourself some loving. Please be carefull with your arm, can you see a therapist to see if you might have the begginings of lymphedema? it is nothing you did. we are just at risk for it.
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I have a PT for several other issues and when I go on Tuesday I am going to see if it is something she feels comfortable with. She is amazing.
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I take Myomin and DIM Plus (alternate every other day) - for estrogen positive bc - did not take any of the conventional medications.
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I went to the PT and she gave me two exercises to due for the pain under my arm where they took the lymph nodes out. She said if I didn't try to move the arm more my shoulder could freeze up. I have only been doing them for a couple of days but I do feel it is moving better. She did say to watch for lymphedema. She said it could start at any time and it doesn't always have to be severe. I have gotten more information from this site and her than any of my doctors. Last week for her working. I am really going to miss her.
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Where are we at with soy protein isolate? I love Balance/Zone Perfect bars and they fit with my current diet, which is resulting in weight loss.
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I love the Morning Star veggie burgers - they are low-fat, but very filling and delicious. No doubt there is soy in them - afraid to look!
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Yes - I like those too! Afraid to eat them
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Yes the Morning Star veggie burgers are soy. I loved them but haven't had them in 3 years! They do have a vegan veggie burger that doesn't have soy. I haven't tried it so can't say how it tastes.
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The BCO article on soy is very confusing and inconclusive, probably because that is where the science is at, unfortunately.
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Yes, that is the problem. And things change daily. I remember years ago when milk was advertised as "The Perfect Food" and every time we kids wanted water she would make us drink milk instead. Of course in those days there was no factory farming and cows were not injected with hormones and other things. My mother was vegan so we rarely got meat which I'm grateful for now as I can easily live without it. Not that fond of chicken either.
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Has anyone researched which DIM or DIM plus is the best? I know the quality of supplements and how they are manufactured really makes a difference in effectiveness....
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Hi all!
Regarding soy, and I do not remember where I read this, but my notes say to stay away from
Soy protein isolate
Soy protein concentrate
Soy flour
Soy fiber
Soy nuggets
Estrogen free:
Soybean oil
Soy lecithin
Soy sauce
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