Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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I am so sugar-free these days I don't even use raw honey, though I do put a mere drop of blackstrap molasses (lots of minerals!) in my daily whey shake and that's plenty sweet enough. The addiction is dead.
I came back to tell you all about this tremendous article I just read by Uzzi Reiss, a Hollywood doc who treats hormone imbalances. It was way too much info to take in in one sitting so I'll be referring to it often and will ask my doc to order the SNPs test, which is used to detect a genetic defect that causes you be unable to detox hydrocarbons--that is, anything that burns. I am very sensitive to things like cigarette smoke and wood fires, so maybe I have this. If you do, you're more prone to have it come back, but there are things you can do to lower the chances. Here's what he says about the ratio of different types of estrogens:
"How estrogen metabolizes and how this relates to breast cancer: In ideal situations, estradiol (E2) converts into estrone (E1), a form of estrogen that is 85% weaker that estradiol. This process is promoted by the presence of progesterone and an enzyme called 17 Beta HSD 2. Reference No. 1. Estrone, in turn, branches out and converts into three metabolites:
- 2 Hydroxy estrone - A metabolite that is very protective against breast cancer.
- 16 Hydroxy estrone - A metabolite known to increase breast cancer.
- 4 Hydroxy estrone - Another metabolite known to increase breast cancer."
Apparently 4 hydoxy is just as bad as 16, which is the only one I knew about besides 2. I have his book--very interesting reading and now I'm trying to follow up on the progesterone connection b/c I am PR+ as well and he says that progesterone blocks many of those "bad" estrogens from going unopposed and that estrogen controls how much P gets to the receptors. Interesting huh? I bolded that part above that talks about P's role in this.
Anyway, much of his book is telling me what I already suspected and that is that E and P are not our enemies--hormone imbalance is, and I'd guess those are caused by environmental stresses. It's a wonder that more people don't get sick, really.
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pipers dream that was very good info. Thank you
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Seven months ago I had repeated mammograms and a computer guided biopsy leading to a partial masectomy with another in depth biopsy. No one ever suggested an ultrasound. Why, you wonder? We should have a right to ask for one. But six months later I was in for recommended mammogram - only on the affected breast, followed by an enlargement mammogram- and having seen something suspicous, someone thought of ultrasound. Easy as can be. Right away a nodule was spotted. They wanted to do an MRI on that breast and the other breast, that they refused to mammogram, would have the benefit of getting the same MRI. Isn't as safe as you'd think. They put chelated metal in an IV and then do the MRI. Your kidneys and joints have some risk in the process. Think of it your kidneys have to handle the substance. After consulting with an outside radiologist, I decided NOT to do the MRI. During the biopsy,with a new radiologist, the nodule was just a cyst. New radiologist said she had taken the time to read my path report, unlike the radiologist who did the ultrasound...and the second opinion radiologist, neither of whom realized I had two incisions that explained the shadowing. I know there is a time and a place to have an MRI done. They play down the MRI don't tell you about the chelated metal - the FDA has a warning about it. I left out the part when I tried to call back the ultrasound radiologist - no one would let me talk to her about questions I had about the MRI. I went to another clinic to get my questions answered. I've decided to get another oncologist as mine did not seem to have the leadership in the whole matter but I'll keep radiologist #4 who after reading my path report, said she understood my deciding not to have the MRI.0
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I have cut sugar out almost completely. Sometimes I allow myself a few bites of a dessert, if it is a sweet I really like. I do also eat a square of 70% chocolate most days, and that does have a some sugar in it. But that is about it. Once you get used to it, it really isn't that hard. I also avoid white starch and stick to high-fibre carbs as much as possible, so lentils or beans instead of potato, rough barley rusks instead of white bread and so on.
As for honey, raw or otherwise, it is metabolized in your body very much like sugar.
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I've read raw honey has some very good properties for us. I think just a spoon a day is not going to promote cancer growth.
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I agree, June.
Momine, are you avoiding fruit as well? I ask because I'm enjoying three or four servings of fresh fruit a day. In this past month I've made some big changes to my diet ... Reducing overall intake, increasing the fiber (beans, quinoa, etc) and veg's, and avoiding sugar and refined carbs. But I'm snacking on oranges, organic apples, pears, and berries, and I have half a not-too-ripe banana each morning with my organic shredded wheat. I have lost 8.5 lbs in this month and inches all over ... Very encouraged and I feel great. Can't remember if it was here or somewhere else that bananas, if eaten before they get too ripe, are low-glycemic. It definitely feels that way to me ... My breakfast is filling, and I don't feel a blood sugar spike.
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it's nothing wrong with fruit or raw honey. It's the man made crap that's got our bodies all confused.
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If you are able, find an naturopathic physican who is trained/certified in Oncology. I don't have time now to add the link but there is a database you can search to locate one. Too much varying information on internet to customize a food, supplement, homeopathic, botanical, excercise plan specific for/to you.
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I have cut all dairy from my diet - I was a dairy junkie before dx - too many factors of harm with ER positive bc.
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Pipers, thanks for the info from Uzzi Reiss. Very interesting. Sounds like what he has to say about estrogen metabolites and progesterone is similar to "What Your Doctor Won't Tell You About Breast Cancer". VERY intriguing info about SNP's and hydrocarbons. I am one of those people who is super sensitive to cigarette smoke (instant headache). I had a mother who smoked, and I worked on a diesel powered fishing boat and in a smoke filled pizza parlor, so I had plenty of exposure I couldn't avoid over the years. I have actually been thinking that some of us might be "canaries in a coal mine," more sensitive to environmental toxins and endocrine disrupters than the average populace (due to genetic differences), so I think this is an interesting avenue to research.
I am also in the non-dairy camp. I have read that CLA in grass-fed dairy and meat is good for you, but it still contains the natural hormones (dairy anyway). Anyway, I am eating a mostly vegan diet (occasional wild salmon), for not just health, but environmental and animal rights reasons (clearly I don't feel sorry for wild-caught salmon!) But I think those of us not eating the typical American diet full of sugar and junk food and processed food are way ahead of the game, whether or not we do dairy or meat.
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Gemini, I limit fruit, yes. I do eat berries with my breakfast, and sometimes a green apple with a bit of nut butter in the afternoon (if I need a snack). Again, as with all my diet stuff, I do not go crazy over it. If it is a hot summer day and I feel like some cold water melon, I have some.
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Gemini, I read just yesterday that a green-ish banana has half the GI count that a ripe banana does. 40 vs 80 I believe.
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Thanks so much for sharing all this great information. I've come onboard to the site post chemo, surgery and radiation.
I am considering a more natural estrogen blocker. I have tried Arimidex for 3 weeks and gave it up and have now been on Femara for about 5 weeks. Although I don't like the SE ( hot flashes, fatigue, joint ache...) I think they are manageable. I have a nutritionist and naturopath that have been working with me on supplements. My Onc encourages me to stay with it. However, I am not sure if I'm comfortable with the long term use of 5 years and the effects it can take on body. I've noticed that there are not a lot of HER2+ women on this site. I am triple positive; so, does HER2+ make me less of a candidate for the natural options?
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Re; the milk controversy. Yes, raw is best, but still has hormones that can fuel breast cancer. I just read this this morning:
While most rBST- and rBGH-free dairy products likely do not contain these added hormones, the fact of the matter is that modern dairy production methods, particularly those now used in the U.S., cause more hormones than normal to be present in milk. The reason for this, according to Ganmaa Davaasambuu, a physician and scientist from the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH), is that many commercial dairy herds are milked excessively as well as during pregnancy, both of which result in higher-than-normal hormone levels in the finished product.
"Thanks to the way it is produced nowadays, milk from a commercial dairy is likely to contain much higher levels of natural sex hormones than you'd find in milk from a traditional (pre-industrial) dairy herd," writes Josh Harkinson for Mother Jones, citing Davaasambuu's extensive research into the subject.Old-fashioned milk did not cause disease like today's milk
Back in the early 2000s, Davaasambuu and her colleagues decided to investigate why rates of prostate cancer in Japan had escalated nearly 25-fold over the past half-century. This inquiry led the team to the discovery that cancer rates began to spike right around the time that American dairy techniques were brought over to the country following World War II.
After examining roughly 36 years of dietary data in Japan, Davaasambuu and her team came to the conclusion that the American way of raising dairy cattle in the 21st century -- commercial herds in the U.S. are typically milked for 10 months out of the year rather than five or six, and are also routinely milked during pregnancy -- is the most likely cause of increased cancer rates in Japan. These modern milking methods are not only taxing on cattle, but also produce milk that is highly estrogenic.
This was made more evident after a followup study in Mongolia, where cancer rates are much lower, found that traditional milking methods did not produce these negative outcomes. By milking their cows less frequently and not during pregnancy, the Mongols studied were observed to be largely free of disease.
"The reason that milk produced in America and Japan has more sex hormones than Mongolian milk is simple," adds Harkinson. "The free-range cows kept by Mongolian nomads get pregnant naturally and are milked for five or six months after they give birth. In Japan and the United States, the typical dairy cow is milked for 10 months a year, which is only possible because she is impregnated by artificial insemination while still secreting milk from her previous pregnancy."
"Milk from pregnant cows contains far higher hormone levels than milk from nonpregnant ones--five times the estrogen during the first two months of pregnancy, according to one study, and a whopping 33 times as much estrogen as the cow gets closer to term," he adds.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044726_commercial_milk_growth_hormones_estrogen.html#ixzz2yzlrvM290 -
That's good info flavia, and I'm going to ask them Sat at the dairy farm how many months of the year they milk their cows. I've also read that how many pregnancies we have and how many times we're milked (breastfeeding lol) has a lot to do with our risk of BC, fibroids, and other signs of hormone imbalance, so this all makes sense. But one thing is for sure, and that is that it seems less and less likely that I'm going to be buying any dairy products from the supermarket anymore, and esp if they have carrageenan in them. It will be raw from the farm or no dairy at all, except maybe a little cream for the rare occasions when I drink coffee these days.
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flav - thanks for the info. Very good to know. The milk topic always interests me.
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Flavia, I remember coming across that article way back. It is one of the reasons I try to get goat milk products, because goats are not typically made to over-produce that way, at least not in Greece (not sure why).
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http://www.naturopathic.org/AF_MemberDirectory.asp?version=1
If you're interested, here's a link to help locate a naturopathic.
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milk has phosphorus which can control bleeding, my concern lately (though there are of course other sources, nuts for one as I recall. some sweets have other good things other than sugars. discovered that celery as well as strawberries & tobacco cigarettes have coumarin, & cinnemon. has that too a few drops of eucalyptus oil on the dressing will burn for awhile then stop but though doesn't controll odor comming on does seem to controll bleeding
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Abigail do you have kids? Are they aware of what's going on with you? Please let them know, if not.
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BosumBlues: not sure how many visits - give a call to her to find out what type of food sensitivity and allergy testing she offers. This is where my naturopathic started with me and can only speak from my experience. Once you find out if you have food sensitivities and/or allergies, then you can begin the discussion regarding diet specific to you....and supplementation .
You may need additional visits from her to put together a plan but that can be asked by you up front. You may want to ask what type of other "terrain testing" she does...this can help customize a plan for you as well.
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no children piper, & my truelove dead 7 years this august.......evidently chris woollam's book rainbow diet is out of print. 3 used copies available for 100 dollars each
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Kathie, a few pages back you asked about DIM and hot flashes. My hot flashes stopped completely after I started on DIM. I do a combined DIM, IC3 and Calcium d Glucarate. Plus a ton of other supplements. Before starting on the DIM I took tamoxifen for two weeks and then quit because I couldn't handle the side effects. Hot flashes were part of the tamoxifen side effects so maybe they stopped because I quit the tamoxifen? However, before tamoxifen and supplements I was premenopausal. After a few months on the supplements I tested as postmenopausal. I don't feel any different and don't feel like I've had any menopause symptoms so I'm happy about that!
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I cannot believe the knowledge on this forum. This is way off topic, but I am searching for a natural way to treat eczema. This is for a 15 month old baby. Don't want to interrupt all the wonderful conversations going on here, but I cannot think of a more knowledgeable place to gather info. Thanks to anyone who can take a moment to help.
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TB, I have treated eczema with a salve that I make myself and it works pretty well. I gather up garden plantain right out of my yard (I don't spray my lawn)--it grows everywhere in MO and other states too no doubt. A couple of good handfuls is good. Wash well and lay out to dry out a bit--doesn't have to be bone dry. I also get comfrey from the health food store but the lady that gave me the recipe only used plantain. I put the plantain, along with some oil--I like coconut but olive is good--into one of those small crockpots that you warm potpourri in and leave it on low with the lid off for a couple of days. You could also put in a jar and keep in the back window of your car for about a week. The oil should turn green. Strain it and melt a bit of beeswax in there--not totally necessary but it keeps it on your skin longer. I use this for any allergic skin condition and use quite a lot of it in the summer for bug bites b/c it takes the itch out and heals them much faster than they would on their own--I'm one of those people who gets a tick or chigger bite and the itch will last forever unless I use my "green goo."
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TB90 try shea butter, my daughter has eczema and my 4 month old nephew and my sister uses it in him.
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Thank you both for your replies. I know what shea butter is, but Piper's, I live in Canada and plantain to me is a type of banana! I doubt they grow in your yard. Lol What the heck is plantain?? I think my client would love to try your recipe as they are a First Nations family and use lots of locally grown medicines. I work closely with this community and love trying all their medicines. But they are even stuck on a remedy for eczema, so thank you so much for your info. I love the idea of "growing" something in the back window of my car. Last time I grew anything in my car it smelled pretty bad
This could become a hit in the community as we have so many mosquitoes and ticks in the summer, Thanks! Melodie0 -
Still trying to figure out if I'm in the right forum. Do HER2+ women who also have Estrogen+ cancerous tumors generally NOT use a natural path to deter future occurrence? I see very few on here? Thanks!
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