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Is there a natural estrogen blocker? help!

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  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 236

    Is DIM safe to take with an AI?

  • lovujja
    lovujja Member Posts: 31

    I have been taking on and off powder of bitter guard (indian bitter guard). I cut it small dry and make powder and take 1/2 TSF every morning after breakfast. i still take tamaxfen.

  • Salina888
    Salina888 Member Posts: 35


    Breast Cancer supplement, vitamins, herbs information, diet, food, soy, natural ways to prevent and treat, alternative therapy, herbal remedy by Ray Sahelian, M.D.

    It is estimated that about half of all breast cancer cases in the United States could be prevented or postponed if women kept a normal weight, ate healthy foods, drank less alcohol, exercised more, smoked fewer cigarettes or did not smoke at all, and breastfed their babies. Many doctors are quick to send a patient for a mammography, yet few take the time to explain or give out a handout sheet on ways a women can reduce her risk.

    Exercise, physical activity
    Risk of breast cancer decreases in women who are physically active. Even moderate physical activity -- for example brisk walking for 2 miles three times a week -- over the course of a lifetime can significantly reduce a woman's risk.

    Diet and breast cancer
    The diet of preschoolers may influence the risk of breast cancer during adulthood which indicates that tumor formation is influenced by diet decades before it becomes clinically apparent.Brassica vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage might be protective.  Data on Chinese breast cancer survivors age 20-75 who were diagnosed with stage one to stage four breast cancer and who were part of the Shanghai Breast Cancer Survival study indicates those who ate cabbage, broccoli and leafy greens saw improved survival rates.

    Women with early-stage breast cancer may live longer if they maintain a diet rich in vegetables, whole grains, fruits, and low-fat dairy, along with reduced intake of refined foods and sweets. Regularly eating oily fish such as salmon, tuna or sardines is suggested, 2013, BMJ, online.

    The role of fats is controversial and still being evaluated, but it is a good idea to consume a higher proportion of good fats rather than bad ones. Good fats are found in raw nuts and seeds, fish, olive oil, flax oil, hemp oil, coconut oil, and dark leafy greens. Less desirable fats are found in lard, meats and high-fat dairy products. Bad fats are formed when vegetable oils are partially hydrogenated to make them more stable and solid. They are usually found in commercially baked goods such as cookies, crackers, cakes, French fries, onion rings, donuts, processed foods, etc. 

    Eating beans or lentils at least twice a week may reduce the risk. Women are recommended to eat healthy amounts of plant foods rich in lignans. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, May 12, 2010. A high-fiber diet is of benefit.

    Eating mushrooms may lower the risk. A study of more than 2,000 Chinese women found that the more fresh and dried mushrooms the women ate, the lower was their breast cancer risk. The risk was lower still among those who also drank green tea everyday. Mushroom extracts have anti-tumor properties and can stimulate the immune system's cancer defenses.

    Green tea contains antioxidant compounds called polyphenols that have been shown to fight breast tumors in animals. Dry green tea leaves, which are about 40% polyphenols by weight, may also reduce the risk of cancer of the stomach, lung, colon, rectum, liver and pancreas. One or two cups a day is fine, drinking more may cause shallow sleep. Or you can take a green tea extract pill. International Journal of Cancer, March 15, 2009.

    Eat more garlic and other culinary herbs and spices. The benefits of garlic are underestimated by physicians in the United States.

    Soy products - I know there are many people out there who have a negative viewpoint regarding soy products, often due to reading articles on the internet that blast soy and unfairly blame all kinds of health issues as a consequence of its ingestion, but I think we should take a reasoned and balanced approach. The bottom line, in my opinion, is that some people are sensitive or are allergic to it and do not tolerate it well and thus should not consume it. However, most women benefit from organic fermented soy consumption (non-GMO), at least in small amounts, as part of a diet that has a variety of foods and there is no reason for women who have had breast cancer to avoid it completely. .
      High dietary intake of soy isoflavones was associated with lower risk of recurrence among post-menopausal patients with breast cancer positive for estrogen and progesterone receptor and those who were receiving anastrozole as endocrine therapy. CMAJ. 2010. Effect of soy isoflavones on breast cancer recurrence and death for patients receiving adjuvant endocrine therapy. Department of Medical Oncology, Cancer Hospital of Harbin Medical University, Harbin, China.
      Lifetime soy consumption at a moderate level may prevent breast cancer recurrence through mechanisms that change the biology of tumors; e.g. women who consumed soy during childhood develop breast cancers that express significantly reduced Human epidermal growth factor receptor 2 levels. More research is needed to understand why soy intake during early life may both reduce breast cancer risk and risk of recurrence. Is soy consumption good or bad for the breast? J Nutr. 2010; Comprehensive Cancer Center, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA.
      Eating soy regularly as a young girl may help protect against the development of breast cancer later on in life due to the presence of phytoestrogens. Scientists at Hanyang University in Korea compared 362 women diagnosed with breast cancer with an equal number of healthy women matched for age and menopausal status. Individuals were interviewed concerning their diets, which included tofu, soybean paste, and soy milk. Among premenopausal women whose intake of soy protein was among the top 20% of participants, there was a lower risk of breast cancer compared with those in the lowest 20%. Nutrition Cancer. 2008.  Among more than 500 women in China whose breast cancer was driven by the hormones estrogen or progesterone (or both), those who had gone through menopause and ate the most soy were less likely to experience a recurrence of their disease over about 5 years. Canadian Medical Association Journal, online October 18, 2010.

    Premenopausal women who eat large amounts of red meat appear to have an increased risk of developing breast cancer with receptors that are positive for estrogen and progesterone. Post-menopausal Chinese women who eat a Western-style diet heavy in meat and sweets face a higher risk of breast cancer than their counterparts who stick to a typical Chinese diet loaded with vegetables and soy.

    High-carb diets (with a high intake of simple carbohydrates) increase the risk. The amount of carbohydrates a woman eats, as well as the overall "glycemic load" of her diet, impact her chances of developing breast cancer. The concept of glycemic load is based on the fact that different carbohydrates have different effects on blood sugar. White bread and potatoes have a high glycemic index, which means they tend to cause a rapid surge in blood sugar. Other carbs, such as high-fiber cereals or beans, create a more gradual change and are considered to have a low glycemic index. International Journal of Cancer, July 2009.
      A set of risk factors for heart disease and type 2 diabetes, known as the metabolic syndrome x, increases the risk of breast cancer in post-menopausal women. People with the syndrome have excess fat around their middle, high levels of glucose in their blood, resistance to the blood-glucose-lowering hormone insulin, high cholesterol, and high blood pressure.

    Natural supplements for breast cancer prevention or treatment
    Research in the field of prevention or treatment of breast cancer with supplements, vitamins, herbs or alternative methods is very early and no firm answers can be given at this time. However I wanted to mention a few compounds that have been studied. These supplements have not been extensively tested in humans and at this point it is best to use conventional breast cancer treatment and use these herbs only as a supplement, not as a complete alternative. Discuss with your doctor before use. Click each link for more information and research studies. They are listed in alphabetical order.

    Black cohosh herb has certain compounds that
    kill estrogen receptor positive MCF-7 as well as estrogen receptor negative MDA-MB231 cells by activation of caspases and induction of apoptosis.
    Bitter melon extract has been shown in lab studies to fight breast cancer cells in vitro.
    Cat's claw herb has anticancer properties.
    Curcumin is extracted from the spice turmeric, often found in the mixed spice blend curry.
    Fish oil supplement use may be of benefit.
    In a study of more than 35,000 postmenopausal women, those who regularly used fish oil supplements were one-third less likely than non-users to develop breast cancer over the next six years. Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention, July 2010.
    Genistein, one of the isoflavones, has weak estrogenic and antiestrogenic properties. It may be one of the the components in the soy-based Asian diet that helps prevent breast cancer by its effects on biochemistry early in life. Reduced caloric consumption by Asians may be another reason for the lower rate. Soy isoflavone genistein induces cell death in breast cancer cells. Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Life Sciences, AMU, Aligarh, India. Mol Nutr Food Res. 2010 Dec.
    Indole-3-Carbinol has been studied as a possible treatment for breast cancer, it is found in cabbage.
    IP6 has in vivo and in vitro anti- cancer activity.
    Patients receiving chemotherapy, along with IP6 and Inositol have better quality of life and functional status and are able to perform their daily activities. Mangosteen fruit and rind has xanthones that have strong antiproliferation effects and can induce apoptosis.
    Melatonin is a hormone supplement used for sleep.
    Reishi is a mushroom that may be helpful.Resveratrol has been found helpful in mouse studies.Resveratrol  is an interesting molecule that has a lot of potential. Saw palmetto may slow the growth of breast cancer cells.
    Sulforaphane, found in broccoli and Brussels sprouts, hinders the growth of human breast cancer cells in the lab. It does so by apparently disrupting the action of protein microtubules within the cells, which are vital for the success of cell division. A study in rats showed that oral sulforaphane blocked the formation of breast tumors, and scientists have found that the chemical can push colon cancer cells to commit suicide.
    Vitamin D may reduce breast cancer risk. In vitro studies indicate that it can inhibit cell proliferation and promote apoptosis and cell differentiation in breast tumor tissue. Results from analytic studies of sunlight exposure and dietary intake generally support a modestly protective role of vitamin D, at least in some population subgroups. My suggestion is to take between 400 and 2000 iu a day depending on how much sun you get on a regular basis.
    Post breast cancer nutritional treatment and natural therapy
    Breast cancer survivors who stay lean are less likely to die from this condition than those who gain a lot of weight. Pumping iron may help survivors improve the quality of their lives, as well as strengthen their bodies. Women who lift weights report feeling more self-confident and stronger, sleeping better and have more energy. Physical activity increases a woman's chances of surviving breast cancer -- regardless of her level of physical activity before the diagnosis.

    CoQ10 may be helpful in breast cancer patients undergoing tamoxifen therapy. Ameliorating effect of coenzyme Q10, riboflavin and niacin in tamoxifen-treated postmenopausal breast cancer patients with special reference to lipids and lipoproteins. Clin Biochem. 2007.

    Cordyceps sinensis, in a study, was found to reduce lung metastases after surgical excision of the primary tumor.

    This study included 524 women who were followed for an average of 5 years. High dietary intake of soy isoflavones was associated with a significantly lower risk of recurrence in post-menopausal women with estrogen and progesterone receptor positive breast cancer and those who were receiving hormone therapy. Effect of soy isoflavones on breast cancer recurrence and death for patients receiving adjuvant endocrine therapy. CMAJ. Nov 2010.

    Ginseng has been associated with longer survival in women with breast cancer and leads to a better quality of life after treatment. Use low amounts to avoid insomnia.

    Vanillin extract is beginning to be studied.

    Yoga is valuable in helping to achieve relaxation and diminish stress, improve performance of daily activities, and increase the quality of life in cancer patients.

    Coffee
    Women with BRCA1 gene mutations, which confer a high risk, might decrease their risk by drinking coffee, which may be due to antioxidants present in coffee. It is likely that certain teas would also be helpful in reducing the risk.

    Alcohol
    Moderate or heavy alcohol consumption raises the risk among postmenopausal women on hormone replacement therapy.

    Young women who drink alcohol frequently put themselves at higher risk of developing breast disease that is a known risk factor for cancer.

    Hormone levels
    Elevated levels of hormones increase risk in postmenopausal women, and as the number of different elevated hormones rises. These include estrogens (estrone and estrogen), prolactin, and androgens (testosterone, androstenedione, DHEA, or DHEA-sulfate).

    Stress
    Young women who experience more than one stressful life event are at greater risk, but a general feeling of happiness and optimism may reduce the risk. BMC Cancer, August 21, 2008.

    Implants
    Women with cosmetic breast implants do not appear to have a higher-than-average risk of any cancer years after having the surgery. International Journal of Cancer, January 15, 2009.

    Estrogen and breast cancerFollowing reports that the use of estrogen hormone replacement after menopause could perhaps increase the incidence, the reduction in the use of estrogen hormone (such as Premarin)  by post menopausal women will lead to fewer cases of breast cancer being diagnosed.
      Women who take birth control pills could increase their risk of cervical and breast cancer.
      As little as 3 years of using combined estrogen and progestin menopausal hormone therapy substantially increases the risk of developing lobular breast carcinoma.
      Detecting breast cancer with mammography and biopsy is more difficult in women who use estrogen and progestin hormone therapy.
      Breast cancer rates among postmenopausal women in Canada dropped after news of a big study in 2002 that found taking hormone replacement therapy could increase the risk.

    Androgens
    High levels of 'male' hormones, or androgens, in young women apparently raise their risk. Androgens are normally present in women, albeit at much lower levels than in men. Elevated androgen levels have been linked with breast cancer in studies of postmenopausal women, but it was unclear if this also applied to premenopausal women. In the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Dr. Rudolf Kaaks, from the International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, and colleagues compared androgen levels in 370 premenopausal women who were later diagnosed with breast cancer with levels found in 726 similar women without breast cancer. The likelihood of developing of breast increased significantly as levels of testosterone and androstenedione rose. The absolute risks of women younger than 40 years developing breast cancer over a 10-year period ranged from 2.6 percent for those with the highest testosterone levels to 1.5 percent among those with the lowest levels. The study "provides strong evidence that the risk of breast cancer among premenopausal women is directly related to circulating levels of testosterone and androstenedione," Kaaks' team concludes.
      Dr. Sahelian says: It would be prudent for women who have a family history of breast cancer or other risk factors to avoid the use of androgens, including DHEA, or to use them for only brief periods.

    Underarm antiperspirants, metals
    Underarm antiperspirants may contribute to the risk because they contain aluminum salts with metal ions that mimic the effect of estrogen.
     Metals including aluminum salts and cadmium have been shown to exert estrogen-like effects, while some also promote the growth of breast cancer cells in the laboratory. Given the wide variety of other substances that can mimic estrogen, including certain pesticides, cosmetics and detergents, it is possible that aluminum salts and other inorganic estrogen-related compounds called "metalloestrogens" can further disrupt normal hormonal signaling within the breast.  What is particularly concerning about aluminium is the fact that it is applied to the underarm, close to the breast, and left on the skin. Deodorants also are frequently used after shaving, making it easier for aluminium salts to enter the blood stream. Studies also have demonstrated that aluminium salts can penetrate human underarm skin even if it is unbroken. People can reduce their exposure to cadmium by quitting smoking. Journal of Applied Toxicology, March, 2006.

    Risk factors for breast cancer
    Many risk factors cannot be controlled -- such as genetic mutations, age, and family history -- others are associated with lifestyle choices. The following lifestyle factors may increase a woman's risk: Having no children, using oral contraceptives, using post-menopausal hormone replacement therapy (HRT), overuse of alcohol, being obese, eating an unhealthy diet, and getting inadequate physical activity.
      Use of the heart drug digoxin appears to increase the risk in postmenopausal women. Digoxin helps the heart pump stronger and is used to treat heart failure.
      There is a higher risk with early menarche and late menopause. The more a woman breast feeds, the more she is protected. There is also a higher risk with the long term use of androstenedione, dihydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and testosterone. Women who already have breast cancer should not take additional hormone replacement, particularly estrogens.
      Women who work night shifts have a higher rater.
      Having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman's risk of suffering from breast cancer later in life.
      Exposure to the environmental estrogen 4-nonylphenol increases the risk of breast cancer in mice. Estrogen-like chemicals in the environment have the ability to cause cancer. Many environmental factors increase a woman's level of the female hormone estrogen, which is thought to be a major contributing factor to the disease. 4-nonylphenol is released from cleaning agents, textiles, paper, plastic, personal care products and agricultural chemicals.
    BBP (n-butyl benzyl phthalate), a chemical additive used in pipes, vinyl floor tiles, carpet-backing, and other household items, may affect mammary gland development and perhaps may increase susceptibility. See parabens for another source of concern.
      There is no good evidence at this time that wearing bras compromises the lymphatic system and thus has any influence.
      Having multiple cardiac and chest CT scans may increase the chances.

    Statin drugs
    Statins and Breast Cancer in Postmenopausal Women without Hormone Therap; Anticancer Research (2009).
    A hospital-based case-control study was conducted in Fargo, ND, USA. This observational study found an increased risk of breast cancer related to duration of statins use and progesterone receptor-negative among postmenopausal women.

    Routine breast examinations by your doctor
    Having a doctor examine the breasts for potential signs of cancer may add little to the benefits of mammography screening. Researchers found that among nearly 62,000 women age 40 or older, the combination of mammography and a clinical breast exam detected only a small number of additional breast cancers compared with mammography alone. Although the clinical exam did help catch cancers in women with dense breast tissue, in particular, it also put these women at greater risk of being told they might have cancer when they did not. Dr. Nina Oestreicher, a researcher at Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, California, says, "It's really up to women and their doctors to make the decision," noting that many factors, including a woman's personal risk of breast cancer and her degree of concern about the disease, could influence the choice to have regular clinical breast exams in addition to mammography.Breast self-exam -- is it worth the trouble?
    Breast self-exams have not been found to be definitively helpful. They increase the number of false positive results. These may result in follow-up testing or invasive procedures such as biopsies, leading to anxiety, inconvenience, discomfort, and additional medical expenses.

    Breast cancer post surgical survival and treatment
    Younger breast cancer patients seem to suffer more serious side effects from chemotherapy than previously thought. Roughly one in six of those women wind up at the emergency room or hospitalized because of such side effects as infection, low blood counts, dehydration or nausea.  Postmenopausal women who have survived early breast cancer face a higher than average risk of osteoporosis. Aromatase inhibitors -- Arimidex (anastrozole), Femara (letrozole), and (Aromasin) exemestane, which are used to suppress estrogen in women whose tumors are hormone driven -- have been associated with changes in bone mineral density. Hot flashes and other unpleasant side effects are a major reason many patients do not start or do not complete their recommended hormone-blocking therapy.
      Women who survive a bout with breast cancer are at increased risk of developing cancers of the lung, stomach, and colon, among several others. The elevated risk of other cancers could be due to the treatment given to fight the breast cancer, or perhaps to a genetic predisposition. They are also at a higher risk for heart disease or failure. Women who are treated with the cancer drug Herceptin have more long-term cardiac problems.
      Women who develop arm swelling following surgery for breast cancer -- a bothersome condition known as lymphedema -- derive significant benefits from participating in a slowly progressive weight lifting program.
      Women seeking help from menopausal symptoms and diminished sex drive by taking testosterone as well as estrogen face a higher risk of breast cancer than with estrogen alone.
      Approximately one third of women treated for breast cancer experience fatigue for the first five years after treatment, and for about two thirds of those, the fatigue will persist.
      Survivors who take aspirin regularly may live longer and be less likely to see their disease return. Journal of Clinical Oncology, online February 16, 2010.

    Drug therapy and prevention
    Tamoxifen and other drugs used to help prevent breast cancer in women at high risk for the disease carry their own potential health risks. For women with a close family history of the disease, doctors sometimes prescribe tamoxifen, raloxifene or tibolone to help reduce their risk of getting the condition. These drugs are effective in reducing the risk of breast cancer. Relative to placebo, tamoxifen, raloxifene, and tibolone reduce the risk by 30 percent, 56 percent, and 68 percent, respectively. This equates to 7 to 10 fewer cases of breast cancer per 1,000 women per year. However, tamoxifen and raloxifene increase the risk of blood clots, tamoxifen ups the risk of endometrial cancer, and tibolone raises the risk of stroke.
      The popular antidepressant drug Paxil may interfere with breast cancer treatments, making patients more likely to relapse and die. Women who took GlaxoSmithKline's Paxil while taking tamoxifen at the same time were more likely to die of their breast cancer.

    Radiation therapy
    This is a treatment that uses high-energy x-rays or other types of radiation to kill cancer cells. There are two types: External radiation therapy uses a machine outside the body to send radiation toward the cancer. Internal radiation therapy uses a radioactive substance sealed in needles, seeds, wires, or catheters that are placed directly into or near the cancer.
      Cancer patients undergoing radiation treatment may want to sip some red wine before treatment. Drinking red wine can help limit the toxic effects of radiation therapy.  International Journal of Radiation Oncology Biology and Physics, 2009.
      Women who have breast cancer on the left side of the body and who are treated with radiation therapy have a higher risk of developing narrowing of the arteries that lead to the heart thus raising the risk for heart disease.

    Breast cancer treatment
    Four types of standard surgical treatment are used:
    Surgery - Most patients with breast cancer have surgery to remove the cancer from the breast. Some of the lymph nodes under the arm are usually taken out and looked at under a microscope to see if they contain cancer cells. Breast-conserving surgery, an operation to remove the cancer but not the breast itself, includes the following:
    * Lumpectomy: A surgical procedure to remove a tumor (lump) and a small amount of normal tissue around it.
    * Partial mastectomy: A surgical procedure to remove the part of the breast that contains cancer and some normal tissue around it. Patients who are treated with breast-conserving surgery may also have some of the lymph nodes under the arm removed for biopsy. This procedure is called lymph node dissection. It may be done at the same time as the breast-conserving surgery or after.
    * Total mastectomy: A surgical procedure to remove the whole breast that contains cancer. This procedure is also called a simple mastectomy. Some of the lymph nodes under the arm may be removed for biopsy at the same time as the breast surgery or after.
    * Modified radical mastectomy: A surgical procedure to remove the whole breast that contains cancer, many of the lymph nodes under the arm, the lining over the chest muscles, and sometimes, part of the chest wall muscles.

    Hormone therapy for breast cancer
    Hormone therapy is a treatment that removes hormones or blocks their action and stops cancer cells from growing. Hormones are substances produced by glands in the body and circulated in the bloodstream. The presence of some hormones can cause certain cancers to grow. If tests show that the cancer cells have places where hormones can attach (receptors), drugs, surgery, or radiation therapy are used to reduce the production of hormones or block them from working. Hormone therapy with tamoxifen is often given to patients with early stages of breast cancer and those with metastatic breast cancer (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body). Hormone therapy with tamoxifen or estrogens can act on cells all over the body and may increase the chance of developing endometrial cancer. Women taking tamoxifen should have a pelvic examination every year to look for any signs of cancer.

    Emails
    I read with interest your supplement research update newsletter - vol. 2, issue 7 - in which you voice your concerns about elevated androgens in women's breast cancer. I hope that much more research continues into the lives of us "old geezers" (I'm 69) who fight the good fight against andropause! Very depressing, that. (I'm currently and happily taking point-5 mg of Arimidex three times a week - BIG improvement! smile serum estradiol levels have gone from 43 to 26 and free testosterone has risen from 102 to 169 after six weeks of use). I find on your web site and in your newsletters many interesting and mind-expanding ideas, many of which lead me to even further study and thought.
      We appreciate the feedback. We suspect both estrogen and androgens have an influence on breast cancer.

    Additional articles or notes of interest
    Amentoflavone induces cell-cycle arrest and apoptosis in MCF-7 human breast cancer cells via mitochondria-dependent pathway. Department of Pediatrics, TaoYuan General Hospital, Department of Health, Taiwan, TaoYuan, Taiwan, R.O.C.. Amentoflavone, isolated from an ethyl acetate extract of the whole plant of Selaginella tamariscina, a traditional herb, may exhibit antitumor activity. In Vivo. 2012.
    Breast enhancement web page
    Murraya koenigii leaf extract inhibits proteasome activity and induces cell death in breast cancer cells. BMC Complement Altern Med. 2013.
    Ovarian cancer information

  • betterway
    betterway Member Posts: 3

    My wife had a mastectomy on January 10th '14, began chemo on 2/5, had intolerable side affects after 2 treatments, and after much research (by me) online decided that her chances of being helped by the TCH drugs were about 8% and therefore were not worth the trouble. She is now taking I3C, DIM, Selenium, D3, broccoli sprouts (sulforaphane) along with a bunch of antioxidants, and soon ahcc. The thing I just discovered in the last 2 weeks is something that J-sport mentioned in a post back in October, artemisinin. Now that I know more about it it is amazing to me that no one else has mentioned it. Have you guys familiarized yourself with it at all? It appears to be the best alternative cancer cure (yes I said cure) available, is relatively cheap, extremely safe and REALLY effective. We are still researching but I believe she will decide to start a course in it very soon. As an intro I invite anyone interested to take just 6 minutes to watch this video. Then decide if you think it's worth any more of your cancer-fighting research time. Best of luck to all of you ladies!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Or8xLOGBu8

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337

    that russian writer cured a cancer with it.  I'd like to get the cream.  difficult.  the lesion had a lot of aptosis so I thought I'd help it along.  gary says not to use oregano oil topically.  I put 3 drops on a new pad.  ow.  sometimes didn't hurt, sometimes did a lot.  could only stand it a few hrs.  took the pad off & it was bleeding a lot (again).  (don't know if aptosis progressed will check soon.  the best way to stop bleeding I've found is to kneel in the tub & apply very hot water with a washcloth.  apply, hold, rinse off the cloth. repeat until the cloth remains clean.  the russians name was slohentzen or something like that.  he wrote a book about his experiences in a siberian gulag.  emmigrated/immigrated here then went back when cured.  he died fairly recently of old age as I recall

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337

    it seems his books are way out of print, & he wrote in english as I recall.  lived when here in maine.  alexandre isayevich solzhenitsyn.  he wrote about his woormwood cure

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845

    Abigail, Solzhenitsyn was extremely famous. In 1955, he wrote a novel about a cancer hospital, partly based on his own experience of having a cancer, that was treated and went into remission.

    This is what he himself relates about it:

    "Here [in prison] my cancer had developed rapidly, and at the end of 1953, I was very near death. I was unable to eat, I could not sleep and was severely affected by the poisons from the tumour. However, I was able to go to a cancer clinic at Tashkent, where, during 1954, I was cured"

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337

    appreciate it momine.  yes he was a nobell prizewinner.  died at age 89.     amazon has a wormwood/artemesia oil from starwood for 15, plus s& h I've sent for it

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337

    I think absinthe is now legal too.  thought of using it topically

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 187

    Interesting that you mentioned wormwood, b/c I was on it a couple of months ago--one of the first things my holistic doc did was to put me on a parasite cleanse which included an herbal remedy with wormwood, black walnut hulls, and cloves, among other things.  It did get rid of the parasites, but the cancer did not go away.  It also didn't get bigger and has shrunk since I got dx'ed back in November.  Do not let this discourage you though, as I have bigger problems, such as a high count of mercury and lead in my system and if you have both they are synergistic and one way I saw it put is that  2 + 2 = 12.  

    Here is what's really fascinating though--he also had me on some heavy duty Rx drugs for parasites as well--Ivermectin and Praziquantel.  Apparently both of these drugs have anti-tumor effects secondary to their parasite ridding mechanism.  Ivermectin inactivates the kinase PAK1 and blocks the PAK1-dependent growth of human ovarian cancer and NF2 tumor cell lines So, the question is, what is it about parasite remedies that seem to have this effect on cancer?   

    I do wish I'd thought to post this earlier but sometimes my research takes me off in so many directions that I have a hard time coming back to where I started lol.  I'll bet you guys know what I mean.  

    Abigail, could you make the cream?  It's easy to grow wormwood as I used to have it as a very invasive weed in my garden.  Salves are really easy to make--just get a small crockpot like the potpourri ones, and steep your herbs in there with your oil of choice for about 24-48 hours--lid off.  Strain and add melted beeswax until it sets up to the consistency you prefer.  I dip a toothpick in and put in the freezer for a minute to check.  

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845

    Piper, interesting point about the anti-parasite drugs. How do they diagnose worm infection?

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 134

    Well, to cement into everyone's mind that I am a pubmed addict (admitting it is the first step...), here's an interesting study:

    "Dihydroartemisinin inhibits the mammalian target of rapamycin-mediated signaling pathways of tumor cells."

    "Dihydroartemisinin (DHA), an antimalarial drug, has previously unrecognized anticancer activity, and is in clinical trials as a new anticancer agent for skin, lung, colon and breast cancer treatment. However, the anticancer mechanism is not well understood. Here, we show that DHA inhibited proliferation and induced apoptosis in rhabdomyosarcoma (Rh30 and RD) cells, and concurrently inhibited the signaling pathways mediated by the mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR), a central controller for cell proliferation and survival,"

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23929438

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337

    great receipe pipers.  I'm not a very greenthumb person but it's certainly worth a thought.  will look for seeds in my baker's creek catalogue, saw a place on the net too today for seeds

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 320

    Pipers, that's interesting about Ivermectin -- my dog gets a monthly Ivermectin pill for heart worm prevention. Didn't know humans could also consume it. How do you know if you're getting rid of parasites (and all of them)?

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 187

    Gemini, do you really want to know?  Shocked  LOL.  

    You find out if you got rid of them the same way you find out you have them.  When I first went in, he did a test called an acupuncture meridian assessment, and it tells where the weaknesses are in various parts of your body.  It doesn't give back exact numbers as conventional does, but when he gets a low reading in the intestinal field, he usually figures parasites b/c they are so common, and with me I've done some extensive traveling to exotic parts of the world.  About 6 yrs ago I was in Egypt and got quite ill with an intestinal ailment so I could have picked it up there.  He also figures it out by looking at various mineral imbalances.  He doesn't concern himself with getting rid of all of them--just on decreasing the body burden.  

  • CiaoBella
    CiaoBella Member Posts: 2

    So much valuable information. I had a lumpectomy March, 2014 (DCIS) Onco score 21. Margins clean/did not spread to lymph nodes.  Estrogen is my issue; decided to bypass rad treatments and Tamoxifen, opting instead to take I3C and DIM. I also take grapeseed extract. My hot flashes are back (a sign that the estrogen is being blocked). I was on HRT for 10 years, it was a patch. I am now 65 and feel like I'm in the throes of menopause all over again. I don't mind though. In Sept I'll go back for a sonogram to see how things look. I refuse to be afraid. My overall health is good; drink plenty of water; eat healthy, and exercise every day, work at a low stress job. Prayer and faith are integral to my daily life.  Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences.

  • CiaoBella
    CiaoBella Member Posts: 2
      • I was diagnosed in late February, 2014. My breasts are dense (fibrocystic), though I'm barely a B cup. In mid-March, I had a lumpectomy (3cm, clean margins, no spread to lymph nodes). The surgeon recommended I see an oncologist and start a regimen of radiation followed by 5 years of Arimidex. I looked on line to see the down side of radiation and drugs and did not like what I read. Since I am estrogen dominant, I went on this very websiteThumbsUp  and found out about DIM and Indole3Carbinol (I3C). The same week of my lumpectomy, I started on both of these amazing supplements and have continued taking them. Last month (September 15 to be exact), I went for my follow up ultrasound and mammogram and the results came in as: "Negative/No Evidence of Cancer."  So there you have it ladies. I'm not saying this is the right approach for every woman out there, but if you are not quite at 'stage 1' it might benefit you to look at other alternatives. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow.  
  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 187

    CiaoBella, glad to read your story.  I have also been taking DIM and iodine and those were working well but not quite enough--started to take Brevail, which has flax in it and I love the difference.  Warning--I shrunk quite a lot in the breast area--I was a DD cup but now smaller than a C.  I think--I gave up on cup sizes and bought a bunch of sports bras which I'm much happier with and they come in such cute colors lol.  

  • rettemich
    rettemich Member Posts: 59

    I was taking DIM for a while but had to stop. I was getting the worst bloating. Anyone have any reactions? Leave it to me to get something like that. My MO just took me off Tamox for a month, the weight gain was just not acceptable, now put me in the diabetic range, the fatigue, and a range of other SE. I honestly thought it was the Effoxer. Unfortunately, still taking this.  I might try the ic3 and the Brevail. That sounds more tolerable.

  • pipers_dream
    pipers_dream Member Posts: 187

    rettemich, your intolerance may have to do with the fact that DIM is compounded from the cabbage family?  

  • rettemich
    rettemich Member Posts: 59

    Yep, my thought also. I was talking to my naturopath and she said she might try the ic3 on me, to see if that works better. I did some blood work and have another appointment on the 9th. They also checked my cortisol levels. Really curious to see how that one comes out.  Funny, I LOVE both broccoli and cabbage. LOL

  • inga6060
    inga6060 Member Posts: 6

    So, there are a ton of estrogen blockers.  All the ones mentioned in this thread, did not show up on my blood work.  What worked on me was a product called "brevail", which is just flax lignans, and genistein.  There r so many foods that are aromatase inhibitors, chocolate, berries, hops, grapes, pomegeranite, etc.  Just Google.  There are 2 different pathways estrogen uses.  One causes cancer, the other is beneficial.  Simple terms.  Really no need for medication.  Working great for me.  Getting a little better each day.  100% altern

  • cadkins
    cadkins Member Posts: 1

    Good evening, my name is christine and I was diagnosed with stage 4 her2 -positive, and it moved to my bones.my oncology put me on the tamoxafen, for one mothe then he switched to leterzole, I am also getting injections of xgeva and zoladex. I have been on the injections and the pill june, and I am so happy to announce that they have stopped it from spreading.  you are in my prayers and I hope everything works out

  • Rose47
    Rose47 Member Posts: 33

    Sorry, I haven't come back to this post for a long while.. I get Indole 3 from Amazon.. or you can get it from Amazon.. made by the company Pure Encapulations.  800 mg. daily.. read the ingredients .. all good for us!!

  • pstrous
    pstrous Member Posts: 2

    Estrogen blockers???? The best I would think would be not to eat that stuff in the first place. It occurs in some medication but especially in animal food. Dairy being the highest. .... from my own research I've concluded that estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, IGF1,2,3, GH, HGH etc are all involved in the Western cancers because their primary role is to promote growth...... The macrobiotic diet that had some successes in the past has the strength that it is nearly plant based. We are basically plant eaters, just add B12 because our hygiene does not supply us with enough bacteria. This is what the China study tells us, this is what the WHO data tells us, this is what dr mcdougall tells us and after having done my own research, they are right. http://users.tpg.com.au/freestro/cancer.pdf

  • betterway
    betterway Member Posts: 3

    I have spent quite a bit of time researching aromatase inhibitors for my wife. She just had another surgery on 7/20 to remove a tumor under her arm (same breast cancer as the 3 previous times with no lymph involvement); it seems like natural is the way to go for us, getting what you need from foods. My wife eats very cleanly, no sugar, she's an organic-only vegetarian, lots of organic fruits and veggies, just started grinding organic flaxseeds, she also does 1000mg/day organic grape seed extract from Two Willows; I3C (of course) 400mg/day. Also does AHCC, Curcumin (from Life Extension as well as the phytosene from NOW) and IP6 supplements daily; the last time I posted I mentioned doing artemesinin but she never did; she is planning to start the Budwig protocol soon (flaxseed and cottage cheese or quark) even w.o. knowing she even has any more cancer in her body, just as a preventive mechanism; this seems to be a lifestyle after a while, you just go further and further into an anti-cancer regime; one thing I can say, my wife is dead set against conventional hormone therapies with all their awful SE's; hope everyone is doing very well outside of the medical establishment like we are!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 2,845

    Betterway, I am sorry about your wife's many recurrences.

  • betterway
    betterway Member Posts: 3

    Thank-you. But you know, she is not weak and diminished like she was with chemo. I guess that is my point. That it is possible to fight cancer and still enjoy life, not having to feel sick and demoralized. She sleeps well (she used to have apnea but has overcome that with a chin-strap bought online of all things), she eats amazing, can now exercise and has stamina. Night and day different than with what the medical establishment had her do. And one thing that made all this possible of course was the internet; getting the info one needs is crucial and would not have been possible to this degree 15 years ago. We are truly blessed!

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 2,181

    This looks like a good topic to bump. Say, where did November go

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 337

    don't know about november, I've been trying to find a preferably organic, not handcrafted, calendula cream containing no lanolin