I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!
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Divine -- the memes are great. Not sure which I liked best so I'll stick with the flat earth.
What a day today was, huh !!!
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Walter Mondale just died. With his vice-presidential choice of Geraldine Ferraro, he was the first presidential candidate to put a woman on the ticket.
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If you aren't in the moment,
you are either looking forward to uncertainty,
or back to pain and regret.
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Sitting here waiting ( should be happening in a very few minutes ) for the Chauvin verdict. It has been said that some feel a delay between the verdict being in and its being read in court so that measures can be put into place for the jurors having to leave the court, to be able to successfully leave court w/o being hounded by the media for statements or being followed to their homes or wherever they will be until they can be left alone.
I so hope that the verdict will reflect the way I 'think' almost all of us feel. Chauvin chose to do what he did and I do think he hoped to be sending a signal that it was really okay to keep treating black and brown people with total disrespect. I hope this verdict if the right one might lead into being able to do a lot of repair work to how officers are trained and perhaps more background work as to what is acceptable when you are hiring these people. We simply have to do a whole lot better than this.
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I feel ill sitting here waiting.
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Thank God & The Jury!
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I wept with relief that George Floyd's murderer was convicted and hauled off to jail immediately. I so wish this verdict could bring him back, since it can't, I hope it offers at least a small amount of peace to his grieving family and friends. It is wonderful to see justice prevail.
I was also incredibly touched that President Biden called George's brother this morning. Pres. Biden has the hugest kindest heart.
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So very glad about this verdict. It's not nearly enough but it is at least a start.
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I'm am so thankful. Not only for the verdict, but happy that my daughter had the day off. Even though we live in an area ( not all that close to bigger cities ) that is quieter, she did feel some concerns for having to be at work when the verdict came.
It remains to be seen how this will be viewed by police agencies and by individual police officers. I would hope many of them will wonder about what seemed like blatant unconcern for how they chose at times to treat citizens of color. I do wish as Jason Johnson said that it hadn't taken a phone video of a police officer taking the life of a black person. He feels like it may be viewed as just one officer that "got caught " and may not have broad effect on other officers as such. I hope the opposite -- that they will ( no matter what they do ) have to consider that just like Chauvin they may NOT get away with it. I do think Chauvin was flouting in some ways not only being able to do what he did, but doing it with the blessing of a man ( the orange abomination ) at the top who was racist through and through.
There is always hope and for the first time so may people got involved in standing for George Floyd. All the marches and rallies and I hope all of that plus the 'correct' verdict will propel needed changes.
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I cried for joy. I really hope this leads to laws holding officers accountable. Somehow I still think we'll have another case, and another.
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Former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin is found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in George Floyd's death
The second-degree murder charge said Chauvin assaulted Floyd with his knee, which unintentionally caused Floyd's death. The third-degree murder charge said Chauvin acted with a "depraved mind," and the manslaughter charge said his "culpable negligence" caused Floyd's death.
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison reacts to the Derek Chauvin conviction: "I would not call today's verdict justice, because justice implies true restoration. But it is accountability, which is the first step towards justice. And now the cause of justice is in your hands."
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When the verdict came back so quickly, which surprised me, I was hopeful. It is said the three counts Chauvin was found guilty of carry a maximum of 40 years prison time but Minnnesota sentencing guidelines suggest he will get 12 to 15 years.
Jackie, you make an excellent point: “...Chauvin was flouting in some ways not only being able to do what he did, but doing it with the blessing of a man ( the orange abomination ) at the top who was racist through and through.“
The rise in white male police officer entitlement, hell—domination—in the country last May when George Floyd was murdered was being incited and inflamed by the former president.
Yes, cm, our current President is such a decent man.
It's a lot to take in. Chauvin was found guilty on all 3 counts and I think that is good. I do not know what or if we will hear from the jurors, but if we do I will be very interested in what they say.
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I am going to raise a glass to justice! And some cannabis too, after all, it’s 420 😉 It will not bring Mr. Floyd back but I hope it gives his family some relief and results in police reform.
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I wonder how many betting pools there are on how long Chauvin lasts in prison - unless they immediately put him in protected confinement. I'll bet there are a lot of guys who are looking forward to meeting him in the yard.
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I’m quite sure that he is not now nor will he be housed in general population. He bought himself a ticket to segregation.
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I watched as Judge Peter Cahill, who presided over the Chauvin case, called the court to order then said to the jury, “I understand you have a verdict." The judge then opened a big envelope and pulled out three papers, quietly glancing at each one, quickly making note of what was on them.
I was reading his body language and felt that because he had not a moment's hesitation at that point to reading the verdicts out loud, that Chauvin had been found guilty of at least one of the charges.
It was very satisfying to continue to hear “guilty" after each count.
So what has Chauvin been thinking since his arrest and conviction on the murder of George Floyd? Does he feel any remorse? The initial police report said nothing about the knee to Floyd's neck or knee to his back. It is staggering to know that had the incident not been recorded, the world would not know of this murder. And all over a counterfeit $20 bill. Very tragic.
Chauvin is one more person who, being bolden by Trump's racist rhetoric, thought he was untouchable but instead was brought down.
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[The Native American] believes profoundly in silence—the sign of perfect equilibrium. Silence is the absolute poise or balance of body, mind and spirit. The people who preserve their selfhood ever calm and unshaken by the storms of existence—not a leaf, as it were, astir on the tree; not a ripple upon the surface of the shining pool—theirs, in the mind of the unlettered sage, is the ideal attitude and conduct of life. If you ask: "What are the fruits of silence?" he or she will say: "They are self-control, true courage or endurance, patience, dignity, and reverence. Silence is the cornerstone of character." -Ohiyesa (Charles Eastman)
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I am still feeling relief this morning at such a good verdict. Then again, despite all the un-certainly a person could feel -- having the G. Floyd event recorded was sooo needed. It surely made ( as Divine so aptly stated ) the difference that needed to be made. Other events have taken place -- I think starting quite awhile back with Treyvon Martin, where there seemed a definite preponderance of guilt ( whether citizen or police ) and the outcome did not match the guilt that felt evident.
I do think people were sooo ready for this. As for myself, the lawlessness of the four yrs. being experienced with the former guy who was hell bent on destroying the law of the land, the government depts. representing our laws, and all the norms we grew to expect and making sure that his racist views were the abiding response, just went into complete resonance with all those people who seeing the Floyd recording cried out for totally equal justice. There is so much work to be done -- it is only beginning. I do hope for a VERY strong and fruitful continuance. Thank God for videios.
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Looking at this -- it is hard to say.
That could certainly be part of it, but I also think he may be wondering why he is having to be the scapegoat while so many others got away with their total disregard. Maybe he is thinking how little life he may have left after getting hit for the " whole " list of wrongs. Who would ever want to hire this person now. With his attitudes I guess there is somewhere he could work, but I would not feel safe hiring him for anything.
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I’m wondering what family and friends were in the court to support Derek Chauvin. Six days after the death of George Floyd, Chauvin’s wife Kellie filed for divorce which was granted earlier this year. It tends to make me believe there was trouble in the marriage already and his arrest for murder was the breaking point. She also changed her last name. They had no children together, she had two from a previous marriage. Derek and Kellie married in 2010.
Here’s some additional information about Chauvin I came across:
Last summer he and his wife were charged with 9 counts of tax fraud, including failing to report income from side jobs and failing to file taxes for three years in a row. That amounted to over $400,000 they failed to report.
The Chauvins also bought a 2018 BMW X5 in 2018 for just over $100,000 in Minnetonka but registered it using their Florida address and licenses because it was cheaper. Investigators found the vehicle was serviced in Minnetonka 11 times but never any other places.
So Derek Chauvin owned a condo in FLA (bought for $210,000) while also owning a home in Minnesota (sold for $260,00 last August) and drove a $100,000 BMW. Yes, his wife was a real estate agent, but Derek was living a mighty high falutin life for being a police officer.
And he murdered George Floyd over a $20 counterfeit bill.
Chauvin was 44 years old when he murdered Floyd. Chauvin flaunted his cruelty towards Floyd as many black bystanders tried to intervene. In my mind, Chauvin’s privileged/entitled white male-dom showing off his abuse of power to that crowd amounts to a form of domestic terrorism. His actions were saying, You black people are powerless to stop me. Because of who and what I am, I wield all the power. I’m going to make sure you’re terrorized by what a police officer in uniform can get away with.”
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The final jury included one Black woman, two multiracial women, two White men, three Black men and four White women. Eight were in their 40s or younger.
I believe the jury was selected from a pool of 300, and their respective numbers reflect that.
If I remember correctly, Juror 19 was chosen as foreperson.
The jurors
Juror #9 — Multiracial woman, 20s
She grew up in a small town in northern Minnesota and has an uncle who is a police officer in Brainerd, Minn. She was "excited" to get a summons in this case, which "everyone's heard about, everyone's talked about and everyone's going to talk about long after the trial is over."
Juror #92 — White woman, 40s
She feels White people are favored by the justice system but strongly disagrees with defunding the police. She said media coverage of Chauvin depicted him as "an aggressive cop with tax problems," which drew a laugh from the former officer's attorney.
Juror #27 — Black man, 30s
An immigrant who came to the United States more than a decade ago, he once lived near where Floyd was killed. The man said a friend showed him the video of Floyd's death; afterward, he told his wife: "It could have been me."
Juror #91 — Black woman, 60s
A grandmother originally from South Minneapolis, she says she has a relative on the city's police force, but they aren't close. She expressed a positive view of the Black Lives Matter movement, saying: "I am Black. My life matters."
Juror #44 — White woman, 50s
An executive at a nonprofit health-care advocacy group and a single mother to two teenage boys, the juror said she discussed White privilege with a Black co-worker. The co-worker's son is the same age as the juror's older teenager. "But my White son, if he gets pulled over, doesn't have to have fear."
Juror #52 — Black man, 30s
He has not seen the video of Floyd's death in full and wonders why the other officers on the scene did not stop Chauvin. He expressed mixed views on police, saying he once saw them "body slam then mace an individual simply because they did not obey an order quick enough." But he knows other police officers from his gym and called them "great guys."
Juror #79 — Black man, 40s
An immigrant who has been in the Twin Cities for about 20 years, he now lives in the suburbs of Minneapolis. He said his view of Chauvin was "neutral" and wanted to hear more of his side before making a judgment.
Juror #2 — White man, 20s
The first juror seated said he never watched the video of Floyd's death, but he saw a video still of Chauvin on top of him. He described himself as willing to change his mind on issues.
Juror #85 — Multiracial woman, 40s
A self-described "working mom and wife," she described police officers as humans who "can make mistakes." She also agreed that people who don't listen to the police have themselves to blame for negative outcomes, saying: "You respect police and do what they ask."
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Juror #55 — White woman, 50s
A single mother of two who rides motorcycles in her spare time, she described being scared by the unrest that gripped Minneapolis last year. She also mentioned seeing officers confront an unarmed White teenager last summer, calling it "harassment" and saying that when she tried to intervene, an officer ordered her to stay back.
Juror #19 — White man, 30s
A corporate auditor, he said a "friend of a friend" works for the Minneapolis police but that they had not discussed the case. If there were conflicts in the jury room, he said he would reexamine his own views, but "if I still felt that my viewpoint was the one that I believed in, I think I'd stand by that viewpoint."
Juror #89 — White woman, 50s
A registered nurse who works with ventilated patients, her medical training was highlighted during the questioning process.
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You can order this from the website of the National Museum of American Jewish History (which is in Philadelphia)
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Yes, and they are thankful for all the online orders for their merchandise. They were really experiencing a financial hardship due to covid closure but have been able to recoup lost revenue through these sales. So thanks to all of you who have made purchases. It is an important historical source.
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Ruth,
I love that T shirt! Mazetough is a great play on mazel tov. I think I’ll order one for my SIL. He will love it.
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Is this ever the truth:
Then again, I think Trump will be way too far gone to run for anything in 2024 -- and NY may have seriously cooled his jets by that point as well.
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Mazel tough—I always love a play on words.
Ugh, former guy thinking he helped anyone makes me want to barf!
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The above is excellent. Especially like the Pledge and the one just above it, as I just read a piece about Fox trying to stir up riots ( looting and burning etc. ) right after the Chauvin verdict when in reality there was peace and mostly stunned reactions. Hard to believe real justice took place since it took so painfully long to have happen. I also read ( not that you'd know it from Fox ) Trump continues to be way less relevant than Fox and some media say. A lot of the media are going to run with Trump as long as they can to try and keep viewership at a high level, but Trump's latest interview with Hannity got very little coverage and mention at all. Added to the4 fact that it was the same old, same old and who would care to watch that. It is all known by heart.
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It's possible to have too much in life. Too many clothes jade our appreciation for new ones; too much money can put us out of touch with life; too much free time can dull the edge of the soul. We need sometimes to come very near the bone so that we can taste the marrow of life rather than its superfluities.
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Joan Chittister
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