Bottle o Tamoxifen
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sorry spring you just beat me to it ...
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Thank you Helena. I am trying not to get freaked out by the recon surgery. NOLA, it's the best, I will be okay, It will be behind me, etc!!! Just want it OVER. you know. how it is!!! Spring.
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I don't know my onc score either but remember my onc telling me in the beginning that mine has a 25% chance of coming back so she strongly recommended the clinical trial I just finished. That # scares the crap outta me, but I'm trying not to become too freaked out and live well. I just love this site too, it really helps.
Spring, I keep thinking of you and that darn surgery, I know you will do great cause you're in great shape, mentally and physically!! You rock!
Lisa, I think its smart the two of you decided on that and will be fun to have a friend with benefits! hmmm still trying to come up with some cute name!
Helena, you could never be a pain in the ass! haha...is it Tuesday morning there?
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I think that NOLA thing is the coolest ever. I haven't seen the Motivation thread but Springtime is definitely an inspiration
I have read your posts for a long time You can still have the test done, they are testing your sample, not you. I know they keep those samples a long time. There's a site that you can use to determine if you should have the test: http://www.MyTreatmentDecision.com/
And I think you should politely nicely ask to see these tests you are hearing about regarding Tamoxifen working and not working.
I am not a doctor but I have to play one in my life...
Meanwhile, back at sanity... Ya think ya maybe have enough on your plate at the moment? Just take good care of yourself and have a sucessful surgery, then you can take on the world
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My insurance denied my claim for the oncotype test but before I was tested I spoke with someone at genomic health and they told me they would appeal my insurance company on my behalf if this were to happen.....even if they do end up paying for the test I will still have to pay out of pocket since it is a doc out of my network and I have a great PPO. I had my test in March and just signed the appeal papers last week. I know I am going to have to pay but it is only going to be around $1,400.00. That is another thing they go over with you before you have your test done. They have been wonderful all the way around. I wanted it for peace of mind............not that I like my 28 score but at least I know what it is. And $1,400 is better than 4K. They asked a bunch of financial questions and this is what they came up with roughly. You can call them anytime to ask any question regarding your result.
Good luck!
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OK back to Lisa's sex life and the short man...
:::getting into full gossip/girl yak mode:::::
You guys have been on one date, right?
Both completely free (divorced, single whatever not married or separated)
Met via blind date?
Grown ups (nice way of saying uh... over 30... ok, over 40, ok, over )
Have not yet slept together?
Plan to use protection religiously?
He lives 5 hours away, are you sure he hasn't got a wife there? Ever been to his house?
Since i have no social life of my own...
Oh and this would be first post-BC sex?
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ohhhhhhhhh this is getting good now! Yay Rach!
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Boy you girls are very busy. ALot to read after work. Kari, yeah that is close to her.
Carollynn, I lwas born in Detroit, and lived in Oscoda.
Kooiesmom, Effexor XR helps alleviate the se's, hotflashes and night sweats. It also helps w/ the mood swings and irritabilty. I just had an ooph, and basically have had no menopause se's thanks to Effexor XR. I don't want to sound like a drug pusher, believe me less is better, but if it will get you through it is worth a try.
I only have one more week to go before I can have sex. I still have a little pain in my pelvic area. And sitting in class all day does not help. I am not use to sitting.
Have a good night!!!!
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Tuesday morning here - little one still home but heaps better
Hello everyone, Carolynn (sp?) - 3 more rads - YEEAAAHHH!!
Got sooo much to do today so trying to keep posts to a minimum (ha!).
Lisa - mmm - friends with benefits - I'm far to screwed up for that - get emotionally hooked and pretend it is all cool, then turn into "friend" from hell - but that was a long time ago - married for 11 years now - now just wife from hell!!! cackle cackle
Kari - 75% NOT coming back honey.
Rachel - you are the best (how many times have I said that !!) - you make me smile with your gossip corner - and you didn't answer b4 - are you joining the train for real on 1 September or September 1 as you guys say?
Feel absolutely great today - periods are due so hormones are probably pumping away and the poor old tamoxifen is fighting hard to keep up. But sun is shining and all is good with the world, for now.
love you all
big hugs
Helena
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Helena- its a big day for me coming up, kinda workin on it myself... more on that later, promise. But I am on schedule in all respects
No delay. You and these gals gave me the power and the confidence.0 -
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Rachael they are not giving me bactrician and any petroleum products, told me not to use the aquafor and to use a dromboro soak and to air dry, keep any seepage cleaned off. They prescribed cortisone today but want to wait until after I see Endocronolgist tomorrow. The nurse mentioned gel packs but did not have info on them and my doctor was out today. Are these items RX or where could I get them? Too sore to garden they pretty much told me to go home and rest and I am too tired to do much anyway just on the sire and watching mindless TV. Made a garden slaw and it wore me out!
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I have just had a detoxigenomic test (genova diagnostics) of my phase 1 & 2 Liver function. My CYP2C9 has a polymorphism (increasing me to toxins if exposed) and I understand that tamoxifen also uses this pathway as well as CYP2D6.
Have any of you had this test? I am just wondering what the oncologist's view might be of taking the tamoxifen (higher/lower dose or alternatives) in the light of this. I just want to research and prepare myself before the appointment....
Any comments much appreciated
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carollyn- did I just ::tag:: you on FB? On the cortisone and stuff, some of the gals get that from their RAD ONC NP or whatever, maybe it has to do with the type of damage you have, I don't know. Every radiation place would have vaseline bandages. If you don't have to use bacitracin it's probably because your skin is started healing, I think they only told me to use that when they were worried about infection. I can't see how it can hurt though. I am not a big fan of using steriods like cortisone. There was a study- I can maybe even dig it up hmmm here ya go:
Phase III Randomized Trial of Calendula Officinalis Compared With ...
if you can get some Boiron Calendula OINTMENT (get the ointment not the cream, its more annoying but its the one that works, the one they used in the study), if you are like most of my RADS group you have another two weeks or so of skin care coming, even after it heals.
So from what I know they should just give you bacitracin, piles of these bandages, petroleum bandages and gauze bandages, both teflon and not coated (teflon protects your clothes better not coated softer) and the tube tops you can cut... its like arts and crafts, the box shows you all the ways you can cut it. If they don't I guess you can buy, that sucks though! You leave the bandages alone for like 24-48 hours (very pretty indeed) and the skin heals fast. It actually needs the heat to heal. (That's what the NP said, and it worked, but I can't show you a study). This is for the raw skin.
The fatigue like that I got too. On the other hand I got some amazing sleep. 13 hours at a shot sometimes. Not like I had any choice about it.
If you made a garden slaw you are WAY ahead of where I was. And I got the most fatigue the two weeks after. It was a couple months before I was fully awake. I couldn't make plans with anyone because I might sleep through it.
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woolly - Hi
of what i understand of what you wrote ... no, actually I didn't even know the difference of those two tests. I will shut up then :Xoh and helena, no, it's not Sep 1, it's later. much. will explain then. YAAAAY for little one home. I been having so much fun these last couple days.
kari- you are doing everything right to reduce the chance. Which clinical trial? Any chance you can do Zometa? I get a couple more percentage points with Zometa
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Wow, haven't been on here in a couple of days. Way too much info to read, kind of had to skim through most of it.
Munchy, welcome back, wondered what happened to you. Glad you got to enjoy life for awhile! And hope they don' t have to take too much tissue with that biopsy. Did you have a reduction in any side effects while you were off the tamoxifen?
Lisa, did tamoxifen cause you to need that hysterectomy? And I'm with Helena and Rachel on that friends with benefits thing. Be careful, us women do tend to get emotionally involved and we aren't like men, and can end up feeling used if things don't go well. It takes a tough woman to handle that situation.
As far as reconstruction after rads, I read somewhere that the further out you are from the rads, the more possible it may be to do reconstruction, but that flap procedures fare better than implants with the scarred tissue. There have been some recent threads here on BC.org talking about this issue.
Almost 2 weeks back on the tamoxifen after 6 wks off and those hot flashes are getting worse again, but I still have the MOJO and joints are doing great. I've been taking curcumin, recommended by my Onc, and started doing yoga a few weeks ago, so maybe those are helping keep the aches away. I'll have to really start hunting for that tincture of rhubarb, also recommended by my Onc for the hot flashes. And he was a bit horrified by my self declared vacation from tamoxifen, but mainly glad that I was back on it. He also discussed switching to AIs once I become postmenopausal, but I told him I don't ever want to take those, I'll stick with the tamoxifen!
Well, I'm off to Boston tomorrow to take my daughter back to college. 4 hours drive, staying overnight, then home on Wednesday.
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Rose have fun in Boston.
Since I haev been back to work, I have not been on BCO as much. I caught up on some of my other threads and now I have to get ready for work. 6 days down and 181 to go!!!!!!
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Hang on Rose... I was just asking for the details... for fun, with Lisa, 'cause she asked for advice.
Rose ... please look up the links for "I read somewhere"- that could be anything. Go easy on your tamoxipals wouldja? I would never go off Tamoxifen or take any action regarding my health- especially my cancer treatment- without consulting my ONC. I interviewed 4 ONCs before I picked this one, and I believe in him wholeheartedly. You seem pretty sure of what will happen before it happens and assign everything to Tamoxifen before there's a reason, and you are so sure you wont take an AI, in the face of the majority of patients who do well, and the people on this thread who are doing GREAT, you are horrifying your ONC and you're scaring me!
Hmmm. We're getting close to Halloween... with all the tinctures of this and stuff you are taking, and the scary stuff you anticipate for Lisa and AIs and Tamoxifen (although you got your MOJO back) I just watched Bedknobs and Brooksticks, one of my all time favorite Disney movies... I think I am going to call you Scary Rose or Doom and Gloom girl... oooooooeeeeeeeeEEEEEOOOOOOUUUuuuuuuuuu
Have a fun safe trip with your daughter and when you get home, get that MOJO workin... I bet that will do more for your problems than anything!
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Rachal thanks for the info, my niece is sending me some calendula cram should have it Wednsday, and I have been making a poltice out of dried calendula leaves saoking it and puting on my skin I am amazed on how much better it is in the morning by evening it begins to weep but it is coming, thanks for all the info, I am not used to sitting and doing nothing and this has been challenging especially since I spent all winter doing nothing while recovering from hip surgery. I am sleeping much better about 9 hours at a time and that is a lot for me so. I am good a forcing myself to do things and then complaining becasue I fel so miserable after, oh well guess I am pig headed but oh well.........DH bought a gator so it is easier for us to get out together to the crops, woods, garden etc, it is nice. He loves it because he can cart stuff in the back it will be a very useful vehicle around the farm and garden!! Our garden and orchard is 1/4 mile from the house.
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Song for us... came to mind.. John Prine's "Dear Abby"
Dear Abby, Dear Abby ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Mezl1WZH8
My feet are too long
My hair's falling out and my rights are all wrong
My friends they all tell me that I've no friends at all
Won't you write me a letter, Won't you give me a call
Signed Bewildered
Bewildered, Bewildered...
Chorus:
You have no complaint
You are what your are and you ain't what you ain't
So listen up Buster, and listen up good
Stop wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood
Dear Abby, Dear Abby...
My fountain pen leaks
My wife hollers at me and my kids are all freaks
Every side I get up on is the wrong side of bed
If it weren't so expensive I'd wish I were dead
Signed Unhappy
Unhappy, Unhappy...
Repeat Chorus
Dear Abby, Dear Abby...
You won't believe this
But my stomach makes noises whenever I kiss
My girlfriend tells me It's all in my head
But my stomach tells me to write you instead
Signed Noise-maker
Noise-maker, Noise-maker
Repeat Chorus
Dear Abby, Dear Abby...
Well I never thought
That me and my girlfriend would ever get caught
We were sitting in the back seat just shooting the breeze
With her hair up in curlers and her pants to her knees
Signed Just Married
Just Married, Just Married...Repeat Chorus
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Rachel...song is too funny!
I will try and rememeber your questions. Yes, we are both divorced, no, I have not been to his place yet..but i can tell by all of our conversation...and his son living here..he is on the up and up. I am sure the friends with benefits could cause some emotional issues...I will tread lightly. This would not be first sex since BC. I had my hair back last spring,and actually went on match.com. I went on a few dates, then w/in one month..met a great older man..about 7 yrs older than me. We dated for over 6 months. Great sex...and he loved me...scars and all. He said my scars were my signs of strength. I ended that relationship, because he just was tooo commited to his work, and didn't have time for me, and also...had been a bach. for 25 years! Very set in his ways. But...we came into each others lives for a reason...he made me feel GOOD about me..and sexy again, and he was diagnosed with STAGE 4 cancer of the stomach, spread to liver. So..now I am here for him!
I think it was Rose who asked....about hysterectomy from the tamox. I think it was, they never really said for sure..but I had large cysts on my ovaries...and I was bleeding very heavy for several weeks...it was not good. So...that is why I had it. At that point I had been on tamox for 10 mos.
Spring..what is NOLA? Are you getting reconstruction surgery? If so, what kind? I had mine done 18 months ago!! I am so happy I did. It was the right thing for me...a single gal.
Rach..what do you have coming up?? I didn't read through everything carefully...didn't have time...doing this at work!
back to work...
lisa
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At work, peeking in...
Rose, is the curcumin for joint aches? Is it pill form and if so, how much dosage? Have fun in Boston!! My nephew is at Harvard, the kid was one of those genius kids...has a full scholarship, wants to be some kind of physicist, can't remember which kind.
Lisa, that older guy sounds like he came along at the perfect time to make you feel good about you!! Glad you can be there for him now. Treading lightly with the out of towner guy sounds like a great idea. I like that...'out of towner guy'...
Helena, glad the little one is feeling heaps better! Wife from hell...too funny!
Mary, I have to sit all day at work too, it sucks...makes my hips really achy!
Shout outs to all...back to work too.
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Waiting for my daughter to be ready to leave for Boston. Yeah, getting away should do my mind some good!
Anyway, I don't want to scare anyone. Rachel, you have a point there. I have been very doomy and gloomy about this tamoxifen, I'm doing it because I know it's recommended and will help my chances, but makes me feel like a sick person, I've never in my life needed to take a daily pill, so I'm rebelling all the way and probably complaining more than I should because I'm dwelling on it too much. And honestly, I am a miserable bitch lately, MOJO is about the only thing that gives me pleasure, it's the little things in life. I CAN deal with the hot flashes as long as I have my MOJO. Been feeling a little weepy lately, maybe I need some Effexor, but antidepressants can depress the MOJO, so I'm feeling a little trapped here. And I apologize to all the newcomers to tamoxifen who might find my posts depressing. It IS doable. I have been on it since November, so I do know what it's done and what it hasn't done to me!
And Lisa, I'm glad you felt good about that other guy, that's a good outcome.
Now as for my tinctures and powders, don't make fun of them, Rachel. They were recommended by the same Onc who was horrified by my tamoxibreak. And I did think that through before doing it. I saw that other women's Oncs had been OK with the idea, and I know that it's a med that stays in the system for weeks, so I didn't think it was a huge risk to stop it for awhile. I mean, there are some women who refuse it altogether. And I have an experimental nature to me. I figured 2 or 3 wks wouldn't give me the full result I was looking for. Anyway, I knew I'd come back to it eventually and I did.
The curcumin is actually an ingredient used very extensively in Indian cooking. I have capsules, but they are expensive, so I bought the powder at the Indian grocery store and I take it daily along with some black pepper and olive oil. I'vebeen doing a lot of reading about it and apparently it also has anticarcinogenic properties to it as well, so I figure it's a keeper.
And as far as putting links on here, I'm not computer savvy that way, and I read so much that I can't remember where I read some of the things. And I figure that people can google things themselves if they want to find out about them.
Oh daughter is ready, have to run now.
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Carollyn- I hesitate to say this because what do I know but just in case you are where I was at, and it really sounds like you are... including being too tired to think straight... but i made the same mistake... thinkiing it was abotu teh calendula and using other forms of calendula... it HAS to eb the OINTMENT. And that was another mistake I made, thinking that like otehr skin burns it would need air to heal. Radiation burns need to be covered with ointment or petroleum bandages, thick gooey stuff and covered up and warm to heal fast.
My NP explained this to me AFTER I was in really bad shape. Really bad. REEEEAAAAALLLY BAD. She put that dressing on that i explained in my previous post and I had comfort within 5 minutes. Do what ya gotta do, and whatever works. Good luck!
Lisa- I was mainly getting dishy, and OK, yes behind that I was wondering if it was moving too fast, but I was asking first because I missed a lot of the story, besides its fun!
So as far as friends with benefits, like... if he's not good in bed, that would change things!
WOW I am so proud of you, you are my idol, you got right back into dating and sex and everything you so rock!!!! I was kinda thinking of getting some before Tamoxifen in case I get some vaginal dryness or lose libido or whatever, but no candidates here. Wait til I tell you guys about how unfuckable the men in my life are!!! I am the flying dutchman of sex. I think I had so much great sex in a previous life and didn't appreciate it so in this life I am destined to have only comedy sex.
Did the older guy have stomach cancer when you met or he found it later? I am so sorry
What i have coming up is my start date for Tamoxifen... and a couple other things. I have organized a few things with my ONC since I finished RADS, and its all going according to plan, but I am keeping the details to myself ... for once!! HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA!!!! Natch I will yak about it when it happens, but until then, I am keeping mum. It's soon, before October, and thats all I am going to say for now.. enjoy the quiet while you can! So I am currently not on Tamox, finished RADS in April. I keep a "symptom" list for this summer, so I can refer to it after I start Tamoxifen and later Zometa, to help me figure out what really is due to the Tamox and what is due to me just being an old broad whines and bitches and moans. Funny thing... like this morning I noticed my left (bad) boob was larger than my right boob and I thought oh well, I guess its the RADs thing coming back again, then I looked at my symptom list that i wrote before RADs, and guess what, my left boob was already larger than my right boob. I already have funky periods, I already have stiffness in my legs, I already have... so... a couple months from now if I have "side effects" from tamoxifen, i will chekc my list and see... oh did I have that all along? And weirder still, my pre-RADs list says I couldn't sleep on my boobs (on my stomach). I forgot that I already had problems even before BC sleeping on my stomach, my big boobs are too sensitive. Guess what? I sleep on my stomach now, no problem! OK I adjust a little for the bad boob. It just proves to me that whole BCPT trial that said yes, we get side effects on Tamoxifen, but they are the SAME SIDE EFFECTS WE GET ON PLACEBO. Except the hot flashes. ON that score, my chamois arrived today. As my gal pal said and I agree- Organization is the key to happiness.
Kari, la la la smarty nephew at Harvard!!!!
OK I should get some crap done here...
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Hello all:
I am cancer free, had lefty removed over a year ago, and my onco put me on Arimidex. I was already having a lot of hot flashes and I also have fibromyalgia...very painful! As you know, fibro gives me a lot of pain in my body and mega fatigue, and this medication's side effects were: muscle pain and fatigue, along with weight gain and possibly hair loss. I also have chemo curls...loads of them! I am still a bit bald on the temples, but I can cover it.
Because of the side effects, my onco changed my meds and now I'm taking Femara..I guess it's quite similiar to Arimidex. I found this to be much better as for the side effects, but then sometimes I can't really tell as the fibromyalgia pain is so bad!! Anyway, I think I'll stick this one out and see what happens. So far so good! As I've posted in another thread, I am seeing my doctor today to make an app'ment to have my other breast removed. This is what I want, and after two doctors telling me not to, I have decided this is what I really want...to be even!
Well, I'm so thankful I found this site! I'll be checking in now and then to see how everyone is making out. I can't exercise like I used to due to the pain and the fatigue..and I used to be SO active...this is really bothering me, but I am grateful that I'm cancer free.
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Hi Lisa,
NOLA stands for New Orleans, Louisianna. Generally, it refers to one surgical / reconstructive practice down there called "The Center for Restorative Breast Surgery".
They do natural tissue reconstrucitons without the use of muscle from your body. They are micro-surgeons and very specialized. There are women from all over the US and the World who go there for recon. We're not all from New Orleans area... : )
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Thanks Spring....what type are you having done? As you can see by my sig...I had recon. done as well...but it was a TRAM flap. Very very happy with mine. I wish you all the best with yours. When do you have it done??
Rachel....be as dishey as you want...lol. I have never had a one night stand or friends with benefits. Married for over 21 years...and really haven't dated much. So...it's been awhile..lol. So, friends with benefits sounds good. Yes...he must be good in bed...otherwise..I will find a new friend..just kidding (kinda) lol. I am getting bold in my old age!!
My year of BC was a tough one....I will give you a short story version, since I am leaving work in 10 min. I was divorced for about 3 years and was dating a guy I thought was really "GOOD" for me...we got married in Oct. of 06, I found out end of Jan. 07 that I had a lump, it was confirmed March 6,07, and by the first week of April...the good A$$hole...was gone. Long story..but he showed his true colors...and I said GOOD RIDDENCE!!! My divorce was final by July 07!! I had 8 rounds of chemo...and several surgeries...and I had support like you wouldn't believe. My family, my friends, my co-workers. I didn't need his sorry ass! So, as you all know, losing hair, losing a boob...any of what we go thru with this bc...really can bring us down. Well, I was bound and determined to get back to being me as best as I could...IF NOT BETTER! So, after reconstruction (and going on effexor! thanks to God) I was feeling good...hair was short and cute...I thought what the heck try a dating website! Actually did that after a few late night beers! lol. I know what you mean about the MOJO...the effexor did lesten that some...but when I met Dennis (the older guy) it came back...NO PROBLEM! It had been a year and a half since I had sex...and the sex with the (jerk) was never good anyhow! I know...I know...stupid me! Anyhow, my relationship with Dennis was good! Then after dating a month, I had the hysterectomy. Started Arimidex a few months later...and my MOJO was leaving me. Being blunt..you become dry as the sahara! So..that was not easy. So, it should be interesting getting back in the saddle again! lol. That's my story....and I think turning 50 next year...it's time for me!! I raised my girls...and I need to go have fun, explore....
Oh..Rachel..yes, Dennis did not get dx with stomach cancer till this past May. I just happened to find out because he responded to a mass email I sent out. We had not spoken since Feb. I then asked him how he was doing...and his response....YOU wouldnt' believe if I told you..... So..I am really glad I sent that email. I want to be there for him, in anyway I can.
ok..off from work. I may have a date tonight...got to check my email at home! lol
xoxo
Lisa
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Oh Spring- THANK YOU for the correction and the right information! I misunderstood and only got the part about the gals organizing to go together! OK so I edited out my misinformation. And I am looking up the facility, thank you again!
Lisa- wow what great stories!!!! You are my hero
The real reason I am not dating, or looking for anyone at the moment is my kid... not that my kid is stopping me, but just I'm having so much fun with the kid and I am unwilling to share him! You GO girl!!! And of course I want to hear about that letter!!!! 0 -
Hi Rachel and Lisa,
NP Miss Rachel!
Lisa, I am having a huge thing done. I (apparently!!!) don't have enough fat in either my belly area (DIEP) or my butt area (GAP) so they are using both. It is called a "stacked DIEP / Lumbar". I don't want to talk more about it. It is freaking me out!! We fly out a week from today...
I know! I should start focusing on the Oncotype test and how I never got it! That will take my mind off the surgery!!! LOL>...
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee.....
Spring...
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posts crossing... Springtime, I edited out my misinformation, really appreciate the correction and the link to the place. I totally get not wanting to talk about it (although the part about you not having enough fat in your stomach or butt has me seething with jealousy). I hope you are kidding about the Oncotype thing... I mean, if you want to pursue it, great, if its a nice distraction for the worries with the surgery, great too... although geez, there's more fun distractions!!!!!! I mean fcol (for crying out loud) its NEW ORLEANS Ok ok, maybe the location is still too close ... so ... how about SEX? :::giggle::: or cats... or this item in the news:
TOOT ON OUR LOOT
Last updated: 10:59 am
August 18, 2009
Posted: 3:30 am
August 18, 2009
There's more white powder on George Washington's nose than on his wig.
About 90 percent of paper currency now carries small traces of cocaine -- a nearly 20 percent spike over two years ago, a study has found.
Some of the cash is getting tainted by coke when drug dealers handle the money, or when drug users use it to snort the powder.
But the University of Massachusetts study found that most of the loot gets the toot when it goes through currency-counting machines.
or me having a semi meltdown over putting my kid in school when he's 2 years old because in NYC if you don't have your kid in the right pre-pre-school they wont get into the right pre-school because they are full with the kids who started in pre-pre-school and then they wont get into the right elementary school or the right high school or the right college... and even if I do get him into all the "right" schools with all the "right" people who have houses in the Hamptons and money coming out of their ears and connections and I dont so my kid will be snobby to me... vs not doing all this and having him ask me when he's trying to get into college or get a job why I didn't do more to help him when he was 2.... augh augh augh and we have no water in the building today and my washer dryer broke and the kid peed his sheets...
hey- you want distraction, I can give you distraction... ;D
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