Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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I found this iconoclastic website posted on another thread, watched several and laughed out loud. Thanks to all who post on these threads and open so many doors that I can choose to explore or not.
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G&O are brilliant! xD
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I had to look up secular humanist symbols...all I found was the "Happy Human" bat-person symbol -- with which I definitely do not identify, lol. I believe people have the ability to make ethical and moral choices...so I find it particularly disappointing when they choose to do otherwise. I'm of the mindset that we are all born with inherent worth and dignity...I'm not at all sure we all retain that inherent worth and dignity.
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Salt Marsh, too many people squander their worth and dignity and never replenish them.
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AliceBastable: I went to look up the "logo" for Secular Humanism. There is a basic one created by a Brit that was used from 1965-1980, but there were several variations. My favourite was one that looked like something out of the Star Trek franchise. The laurel like wreath around the figure was straight out The Federation of United Planets --- or whatever
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Catholic Church refuses to allow LGBT adoptions. Fork them, Pete Buttigieg and Chasten Reveal are close to adopting.
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Elderberry, I like the wreath, but that Hoo-mon still looks too much like a bathroom sign.
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Hello! I am also atheist and so is my whole family. A chaplain I work with on Critical Response Team believes that everyone finds God when life is threatened but I know it is not true. I find peace in meditation, being Inpresent moment as much as possible. Sometimes I do wish I believed, but it just does not make logical sense to me.
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Lucka, I was one who, after being diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer, basically broke up with God. (Phrase taken from a book title). It wasn’t that I was “angry” at God for letting this happen to me. It was never that. The diagnosis led me to seek and insist on getting more, a lot more, from every and all areas of my life. I started living more fully. At some point, I realized how bland, tepid, mediocre the religion I believed in was. I was getting nothing from it. So, like a good little Christian woman, I prayed about it, seeking direction and expecting my “spirit to be renewed.” Nothing. For months. Then a year or more. Then I saw the patriarchy and that was the death knoll on the white male God.
The thing I find interesting about my seeking is that I did get an answer to my prayers even though it wasn’t what I ever expected! So to my way of thinking, something out there revealed things to me. I would say I believe in maybe a higher power but what that is I cannot define.
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wren, yes, I agree. After a lifetime of believing, there’s a sense of loss. It was more difficult at the beginning but I feel like I’m adjusting to it.
I think knowing what they would lose is why some people choose not to ask the hard questions or choose to gloss over the hypocrisy, rationalize etc. I can understand in a small way how hard it is for women (and men) to leave/escape a cult like the FLDS. They may still believe in God in some capacity, but they leave their whole lifestyle and all friends and family. Parts of that I’m sure they miss
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We were discussing symbols earlier so I looked up the Unitarian Universalist emblem which is a chalice (looks like a champagne glass) with a flame. The flame symbolizes light (which can be from within), warmth, and community. Interesting. We attended the Unitarian church in Houston to counteract the stuff the kids were hearing at school. The joke is that they believe in, at the most, one God. Belief in a deity is not required. A group resettling refugees after WWII wanted a symbol to indicate they were safe for everyone.
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I've looked into UU in the past. Unfortunately for me, they include a lot of people who DO believe in a god, just not one with a triple-split personality. They also have a lot of pagan types, which means yikes! even more gods to avoid! No thanks!
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Pagan here. Many moons ago when I was Dx I found this thread helpful in finding replies to those who offered prayers for my cancer.
There are many Pagan “types” and most of us just love nature & the moon. We see the earth herself as a “Goddess” & are just kind & caring.
No Pagan alive would push a God on you.They’d probably just offer you some sage & wish you well.
Wishing love to those who were here with me, and to those whom are new to this journey. -D
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Dawnbelle, While I appreciate anyone who isn't a proselytizer, there are several pagan religions that do believe in gods, such as Asatru, neo-Roman, neo-Egyptian, and others. My lack of belief extends to all of these, not just the god of the old and new testament.
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Not looking for a debate.
I understand Paganism. I was just pointing out that most Pagans are actually peaceful loving people.
You have a better shot of having vegans push a god down your throat.
My 1st purpose of replying to you was to point out your usage of “pagan types.” I assure you, they are less condescending & argumentative than “atheist types.”
I too am an atheist, while I practice the more natural side of paganism.
My 2nd reason for posting was to calm any panic in those newly diagnosed. My biggest fear when I was Dx in 2009 was dying. As you can see, I have not. I attribute that to a healthy diet, peace in my home & garden & never worrying myself with issues that have no impact on my life.I tend to observe anger & arrogance in others.
I never absorb it.May you find this thread ten years from now.
I hope you offer kindest & reassurance to someone new, who is frightened by all of the new Dx dates.
Us old timers tend to sail off into the sunset, leaving the less than positive side of this place far behind us
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Well, that escalated pretty quickly. Perhaps a separate "Pagans with BC" thread might be appropriate.
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what? Ma’am? I was one of the original members on this thread with the OP thedudess.
Nothing escalated.
You have a great day
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so if only I'd worried less I wouldn't have had a metastatic recurrence???
Observe my anger.
You know I love bco but I do not love this bizarre self congratulatory streak some people have for why they're still alive while so many of us are dead or dying. It happens among the religious folks attributing it to some divine intervention and now here too...
Anger anger anger
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Easy, friends, let's please dial it back a bit. I'm quite certain no one meant anyone any harm.
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I dunno, Miriandra, it's amazing how much harm a beating with a smug weapon can inflict, and sadly, it can, like friendly fire, be collateral damage.
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I’m not one who believes stress/worries cause cancer. Living stress-free is a nice concept not always practical in every day life. Keeping stress low is a priority for me but not because I think it will cure me. When I am caught up in stress I have less time to do the many things I’d rather be doing rather than dealing with stress. I see the limited time line and keep in mind the saying “become aware of what’s really worth your energy.”
It feels to me, in simplest form, there are two types of people who say they’re praying for me. One type says it to acknowledge that they see I’m having challenges, that they care about me. They know they can’t jump in and fix things, their offer of prayer is a show of support. The other type is the kind who think their beliefs are gonna cure me. If they get the church congregants to pray and stick me on a weekly prayer list, eeeeven better! Total disregard of the medical field, no knowledge of mbc, they just think it’s as simple as saying three our fathers and two hail marys and poof! I’ll be healed.
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......just don't give me dogma and doctrine. "Have you found Jesus"..."No. Why is He lost?" "Only though Jesus can you find God"
Even Pagans/Wiccans can get tied up in doctrine/dogma. Are you Gardnerian, Alexandrian, Dianic, Reclaiming? Tit for Tat.
I believe there is an "Energy" out there. A life force but I don't attribute it to a Divine Being. Pagans might refer to it as the "Turning of the Great Wheel" I do like that - Birth, vigorous life, withering, death" around and around we go.
A friend of mine once said "I took LSD and saw God. I think we were both disappointed" Ha ha
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Wish I had some LSD. Had some of the best times ever! However, I guess I will go pull some weeds and commune with nature.
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Depending on the "weeds" you pull, you might get close.
A neighbor on NextDoor.com posted a picture of spurge invading their yard. Some poor fool thought it looked like arugula and suggested they use it in a salad. 0_0 I had to post that spurge is poisonous and the sap can cause skin irritation for people with latex sensitivities. I hope Mr. Arugula learned something that day.
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For people who really practice Christianity, I can understand when they say they're praying for me or ask for prayers for a very difficult situation in their life.While I don't respond that I'm praying for them, I do try to make a note to follow up with a call or text to see how they're doing. The prayer requests that really floor me are like one I got from a friend who is taking a vacation and she wanted all of her friends to pray that her flight was on time because it would be such an inconvenience if she missed a few hours with her daughter. The Christianity I grew up with 40-50 years ago would call this self-serving, or possibly just irreverent and comical.
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nopink, yes, that kind of self-centered prayer is ghastly. Why concern yourself with the homeless or with domestic abuse when you can use your free spin on avoiding flight delays? I have even listened to a preacher in church talk about praying to get a parking spot close to the doors of a store. Wow. Why don’t we all just carry a genie bottle around and rub it any time we need luck to turn in our direction?
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In the paper today they said the head chaplain at Harvard is an atheist. He teaches classes on humanism. The funny part is that he was elected unanimously by the other chaplains at the college. They said he's very cooperative and open to their views. He's really needed by students leaving their religious backgrounds but searching for something.
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