Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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Wow! I am so sorry, I just thought we were a sisterhood, I don't get angry when a person in stage 0 posts on the stage 3 site. I Knew after I posted this that it would possibly upset some people.
I however did not think that I would be mocked, I just felt like sharing and to be honest, I never do things like that. I would sure hope the ladies on the Christian Woman thread would be open
to your views, why not? It's BC that brought us together, not who we are as people, I never said any of you were angry, you all sound like your doing great , and you have it handled! I am happy for you, When I called it the peace that passes understanding, I am saying there are no words to describe how at peace I felt, you really did not have to responed like that, it makes me sad.
i promise not to come here again, But, I won't apologize for my faith, or who I am, I was hoping
maybe someone was searching for a peace higher then yogurt with m&ms mixed in.
God Bless
Faithful
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Faithful .. no one is mocking your faith. I am glad you have found peace in this journey .. it's a scary one for sure. And I surely would never suggest you apologize for you faith, but neither should we apologize for our lack of faith.
We are all sisters, with different beliefs and stages of cancer. Doesn't mean we all aren't sisters in this journey together ... but BCO is a big place with lots of room for everyone.
Sending you all the best,
Bren
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Now who's mocking -- "I was hoping maybe someone was searching for a peace higher then yogurt with m&ms mixed in". And arrogant to claim your peace is any "higher" than someone else's. Or your desire to save a poor god-forsaken atheist.
There have been some pretty nasty posts here from "Christian" women in the past (not refering to you). I would never post on the Christian thread -- it's about Christianity. I don't understand why you want to post here, other than what I said before.
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I saw some "little boy flowers" today
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Faithful, do you have the same urge to go to the thread for Moslem women and share the Good News about Jesus with them? I would hope your first reaction to that question is: "Of course not! That would be rude!" And it *would* be rude, because your post would show a lack of respect for the Moslem women's beliefs. But, basically, that's what you've done to us.
It's really just a matter of respect, which is why I would never post my views about religion on a Christianity thread. It would be rude.
--CindyMN
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Actually, I think Faithfulheart WOULD post the same type of message to the thread for Muslim woman. . . .and would get the same response. So-called christians of her flavor don't respect anyone's religon---ask all the native people 'round the world who have had to deal with Catholic missionaries. Me, I am unaffected by people preaching at me, I don't care what she posts. For those that are bothered, annoyed or irked, click on her name in the post, go to her page or what have you, and click ignore this member: VOILA! Au revoir, Ms Faithfulheart!
Why yes, one of my new years resolutions was to avoid stress and pointless arguments! ;-)
Last week I could have posted a photo to match sunny San Diego but I have no clue how to post photos here. Not today---my kids have their fingers crossed again for SNOW!
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I've been gone for awhile. Dropped in to see what condition my condition was in. Oh my! Madalyn is so right. Yes, most of us here have likely tried religion, maybe even been devout (I was once), but then became more and more appalled at the horrible things that happen to us regardless of belief. I came here to get away from the preachers. Religion seems to be good for some people, but not all of us. I grew up in one of those bible belt areas. The preaching never stops. Religion is shoved down your throat from every direction. Very happy to be living in a country where people don't relate their faith upon introductions. I would not go to the faithful threads and try to persuade them otherwise. Please don't come here looking for the "lost." We actually know where we are and are happily un-churched.
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OK, I said I would not post again and I promise this is the last time. I really did not come on here
to preach. I promise , I just came on to tell my story and to tell you what brought me peace, thats all. I am so sorry I did it!! You have no Idea, because none of us need any extra stress in our lives
we have all been through enough. If you read my post I told you about my sister-in laws death from cancer, and I was not trying to push religion, thats man made. Please understand I never would have told my story if I knew everyone would be so angry, forgive me. Also, about the yogurt
comment, I apologize, it's not my nature to strike back like that, I should have just left it alone. I just did not think it was nice to compare a higher power to food. two wrongs don't make a right,
so again, sorry.
If you feel, you want to tell people not to talk to me thats fine too. My stage 3 woman our very
loving woman, I would hope, that they would still be there for me! I struggle every day too. I really wish you all well on your journey, and to answer your question about the muslim woman, yes I would have the same conversation with her, a conversation is not a conversion. I respect you all, your all BC survivors!
I'm human, we make mistakes.
Faithful
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Hi,
Regarding this, each one of us is different, the way peope cope with this awful (for lack of a better word) disease will not be the same and each of us must respect that.
If someone copes with this with yogourt, M&M, chocolate or going to the church, temple, etc. then let it be, the important thing here is to cope, and I cannot even presume to know what is the better or higher way to cope
I post here and I created the user for my mom who passed away because of BC, I don't think you have a problem me posting, as long as I don't try to tell you that I understand what you're going trough, because I can't and it's plain disrespecful
The people on either faith shouldn't try to change them, if you believe on a higher being or don't well that's up to you, and have to respect that, still we can sit togheter to have some cocoa.
What I want and wish for all is that a cure is found, get to live to 100 well with hapiness, love, and fulfilling every one of your dreams.
Hugs and love.
PS: I'm sure there is some bad spelling above sorry about that.
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Faithful .. no one is angry or stressed out.
You'll find great love and support throughout your journey on this site. The Stage III gals are wonderful. You will also find support from us while you navigate the hard days on this journey ... only discussing Christianity on this particular thread probably isn't the best thing. There are many, many Christian threads on BCO.
Please don't ever think we don't love and support you .. we do. No apologies necessary.
Bren
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Hey Faithfulheart, it's all good if you ask me. No offense to others that took offense, lol! That sounds kinda silly, sorry!
I think I understood what you were trying to do - you were tyring to share with Edot and others what brings you peace. I think you were trying to give examples of others in your life, and even yourself, who have had their faith in God tested, perhaps in hope that it would help someone find peace the same way you have. But, my dear, you posted on a thread titled "Is anyone else an atheist ..." I still think your heart was in the right place.
As hard as it may be for you or others with your belief to understand, I think there are many that have found just as much peace as you profess to have found without it being "God centered". I know I have.
I think I posted this here before but what the heck ... after my diagnosis I had a friend of a friend call me who had been through breast cancer and treatments. She seemed to be a very sweet person and was so kind to share info with me. We talked on the phone for awhile about what treatments she had been through, etc. At one point she said, "Well you do believe in God and that he will pull you through this, right?" I told her that at this point in my life I really didn't know that I held that belief. Her response was "Oh my, then I just don't know how you're going to make it!" Wow - I had no words. I think I jokingly said, well - guess I'm doomed.
I have many friends and all my family that carry your belief in God. Get this ... I'm married to the son of a Baptist minister, lol! I respect his family and out of that respect, I will not talk to his family about my lack of belief. When anyone says "We're praying for you" or "God Bless" or ... I simply say thank you. Heck, beat a drum, light a candle my personal motto - do what works for you! Personally, I just know they love me and are caring for me in their way.
I do have to say you posed a hope & a question I simply must answer.
I would sure hope the ladies on the Christian Woman thread would be open to your views, why not?
That's a nice thing to hope but it's my experience that they would not be open at all to my views. Edit - and I don't know why not.
Now - go forth and COEXIST!
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I just have to say that my belief system of non theism was in place long before
breast cancer...I would say 50 years ago
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Had someone tell me yesterday about a very stressful and sad family issue they are going through. She told me when she told a coworker the answer was "how is your relationship with God" going on to say that likely it wasn't good or that wouldn't be happenig to her. Nice.
Had someone send a message the other day asking for us all to pray the storm stayed away so they could leave on a trip, my comment to DH was "wonder who I'm supposed to pray the storm moves to bother instead?"
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Good point kmmd. I wonder when a sports team prays to win if they ever stop to think that the other team might be praying the same thing - then what does that accomplish?
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If there were a God, would he really get involved in sports teams?? And for the weather, what about the farmers who need the rain for their crops? I thought through all of this stuff 40 years ago and it still doesn't make sense. I was not anybody's favorite in Sunday School!
E
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Had the same problem. Asked too many questions in Sunday school. Then again in confirmation classes. By the time I was out of high school, I was very conflicted. We used to pray before a basketball game! Geez, really! I lost a job once because I didn't want to take part in the morning devotional at that office. Religion has done a lot of damage over the centuries, and it still is. Think about the "man in the sky" thing. If you point to the sky in the US, that's a whole different direction than if you're pointing to the sky in Australia. So then it became more that he was "out there." Out there where? Another planet? Galaxy? And Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, First Nation religions: They don't get to go? What an exclusive place this heaven must be.
After the devastating tsunamis there was a news story about the people of Marshall Islands ( I hope I've got the correct islands). They are a primitive (to us) people. They believe their world is supported by a tree and when the bad ones begin to shake the tree, they must move up and away from the beach because a big wave is coming (none of them died in the tsunami). This is a simple belief system, but we all make up our beliefs based on what we know.
With what we know now, and what we learn every day, shouldn't our beliefs change and evolve? Shouldn't some of those beliefs be left on a shelf? There's a book called "Why Christianity Must Change or Die." It came out about 10 years ago and addresses this far better than I can.
I got through BC and the other troubles I've had to face by becoming closer to nature and animals and through meditation and yoga. It's amazing how peaceful it is to watch an animal sleep or how uplifting watching one at play. And growing plants or just sitting quietly among trees is healing. I enjoy walking and take a looooonnng walk every fall. It's precious time to think and be at peace with myself. When I make things simple: walk, eat, sleep, life makes more sense.
But all the rules and expectations of religion just seem like a lot of nonsense. It's all about money in the collection plates. Okay, I'm done for awhile.
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Maya, gimme a high-five.
Very well put.
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A big thank you to Maya2
watching the snow fall lightly in the western MA woods, big mug of hot tea and getting ready to take out my New watercolor pencils if it were summer, I might be having white chocolate yogurt
As long as I'm in Nature, there is Peace. Wish more visitors to this thread could respect the power of healing in the natural world.Crows enjoying the egg yolks I leave in the same place every day, for their pleasure, the ones which don't go into my egg white & brocolli omelet ;-) They are so smart, such clowns. I love them, except when they're harrassing the resident barn owl. Peace and Healing to all.
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The pungent smell of moist earth at night ......... a glorious sunset ------getting down and dirty ... in the garden <lol>
Until the religions finally realize they have more similarities than differences I'll keep my distance.
I had my share of religious nutbars in my own family - so developed sceptism very young.
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Faithfulheart,
You keep saying that people on this thread are angry. Far from it. We simply think it inappropriate for you to tell us that we can't find peace without a god. This attitude is very presumptuous. You presume that you know what is in our hearts and minds. When we tell you that you are mistaken, you say we are angry. Perhaps you are facing a conflict of a good god who allows evil. This is what Epicurus had to say about the problem of evil.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then, whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus (340-270 BCE)I hope that you find peace and comfort for all you have been through, as many here have done, by looking into your own heart and mind. May you be well and happy.
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Molly .. loved your description of Mother Earth .. I could smell the earth! I love to get really dirty when I'm gardening .. I feel so invinsible!
hugs to all,
Bren
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Michelle67: "Maya, gimme a high-five.
Very well put.
"I'll let a cute creature stand in for me. Thanks.
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Notself, your quote from Epicurus is the thing that started me down the path away from christianity......thanks!
happy friday!
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Maya2 and Enjoyful--I also asked too many questions in Sunday school. That, and I showed the boys the dirty parts in the Bible.
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The only thing I would "pray" for (and I don't know to who) is no more cancer and good doctors! I love it here.
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For all the non theist lovers of nature, kitties, trees, here - a ''Celtic blessing" for the new year. I'm so enjoying lurking on this thread!
Deep peace of the running wave to you.
Deep peace of the flowing air to you.
Deep peace of the quiet earth to you.
Deep peace of the shining stars to you.
Arlene
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souad,
That is a lovely "prayer". Thank you.
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I like to watch Star Trek. It explains a lot! hehe!
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Blue .. you're such a kook .. I love ya!
Bren
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Arlene, That's my favorite of all time prayer. Thank you for posting it.
Blue, you are THE THE THE best! I sometimes lurk on your other thread, when I can find it. Jeez, the thought police are in force around here
I was only being slightly snarky with the "White chocolate frozen yogurt with M&M's mixed it with marshmallow fluff" - which would seem a bit strange to some, if I tried to be "evangenlical" about it. What is it about having bc that seems to give other people with bc the right to be righteous? If a bunch of women are supporting each other with their own ways of finding Peace, why does someome who doesn't support the TITLE of the thread feel they have to "argue" with that premise. It really does imply that we're not sensient, thinking, feeling beings. My Buddhist friends would never do that.....Peace to all...Coexist
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