flax seed oil & cottage cheese
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Fairy, it's not "negative" to not believe in magic.
You haven't looked at very many threads if you think I'm negative.
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LJ13, I have read a lot of the threads, and it has struck me many times that you seem to always have a negative comment or opinion on pretty much everything which I guess I don't understand as we are all in the same boat here, just trying to figure it all out. It just seems to me that you jump from thread to thread trying to negate everything anyone is trying or not trying, it just seems negative to me, I think maybe its sometimes not what you say exactly but the sarcastic and often very rude way in which you express it, maybe its just your delivery, if thats just you, then I apologise.
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thanks fairy for your comments....we need all the positive encouragement we can get.....there are many who have been affected negatively by their expeience with BC.....but I am willing to try natural alternatives.....and strengthen my body as much as possible.
there is a natural alternative medical doctor in my small city....he has seen so many suffer ill effects of traditional medicine and thus has opened a health food store.
I can't afford much of the things offered in a health food store, but I do try the things I think are best and that I can afford.
I work in an emergency room and have worked in a nursing home....I do realize some medicine is needed, but some people take more than a dozen prescribed medicines. It saddens me....but perhaps it is necessary.
fairy I like your saying if God brings you to it he will get you through it. He does that every day for us.
On a fun note: I am cheating a bit with the flax....I try to enjoy a milkshake mixed with ground flaxseed.
I use Edy"s slow churned Chocolate and low fat milk and one tablespoon of ground flaxseed....I don't really notice the flax....and the chocolate satisfies my sweet tooth.
I mix flaxmeal in oatmeal too.
there is something good about the cottage cheese though....I do like it occasionlly too. is it the sulfur content or the protein...does anyone remember?
Amber
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Have any of you tried the Flax oil? Get Pure & unfiltered-cold pressed. I use this with my cottage cheese and also add a teaspoon of chocolate dry whey protein mix. (also good for you...pure protein without the carbs if you purchase the right kind.) This does cover up the flavor. The oil is pretty yucky too.
Flalady
Reminder: The protocol is cottage cheese. You can you yogurt but it is not the first choice.
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LJ13 wrote:
" That's true. It's not rocket science. In fact, it's not any kind of science."
But yes, it is. It IS science. You have to read Dr. Budwig's books. Have you read Dr. Budwig's books, LJ13?
I have. Only two, though. I mentioned them, sometime. The two books that I read were "Cancer: The problem and the solution." And "Flax Oil as a True Aid Against Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer, and Other Diseases."
Made me, a believer.
Because I discard this "other 'science'," that says that for my early stage breast cancer, I NEED this "whole breast radiation" and these "hormones." Based on studies done, 30 years, ago. When it became, the "standard of care." Before they had Breast MRIs and Digital Mammography.
These latest technologies discover cancer, in the pre-cancer phase. When, 30 years ago, breast cancer presented as a palpable lump.
Now, we don't. Most breast "cancers," today, are measured in the MM. So, why are we treating the HELL out of those MM cancers?
In a nutshell, because it makes $$$ for the people providing the "treatments."
A lot of women with Breast Cancer, do not have early stage disease. Like I did. FloridaLady. And would benefit, from the treatments. Yet, still, she's here, seeking out, alternatives.
My comment is that no distinction, is made. Between a 2mm pre-cancer and a 4CM totally spread, everywhere cancer. And so, these "treatments," are thrust, on everyone.
But to get back to the FOCC, it IS science. Biological science.
To anyone reading this, just get Dr. Budwig's books. Read them, and then, decide for yourself. I have. And I chose the Budwig Protocol. And I'm loving it.
You might make a different, decision, yet your owe it to yourself, to read the source material.
I'm a CPA, and I like "bottom lines." And if I've made the incorrect choice by choosing the FOCC, as opposed to the Medical Industrial Complex Treatments, I'm the one that is dead. And I am willing to live, with that.
Because I have NOT made the incorrect choice. Eating well, is NEVER the incorrect choice.
IMO, relying on 30 year old studies, that promote numerous Side Effects, with a marginal benefit IS an incorrect choice.
Yet, everyone has to make their own choice.
I've made mine. The FOCC.
Leia
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Halleluya!! Leia!!!
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Personally I want the best our current knowledge has to offer. For me that means using the standard medical care AND doing all I can to change my MO for living-- changing my diet, etc. I would love if there was a way to skip the harsh treatments and just do it through diet and exercise--I just don't feel comfortable in making the choice you have Leia to "try it". For me, there isn't enough info that tells me a rate of success that I can feel safe making that choice. The consequences are way too high. I respect your choice for yourself.
Disagreement comes when people adopt positions that either all medical science is crap and run by profit-focused opportunists or that all alternative options are crap and run by quacks. But this forum is here so we all can hear different opinions...
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Thank you, Alliem22. For respecting my right to choose my own, treatments. But then you should get all of the treatments that you think you need.
Again, I WILL just go away, SOON. From this Board. Because I do NOT have cancer, anymore. And by now, I'm totally on the FOCC protocol, and hope to never have cancer, again. And I probably, won't.
Just today, I had a consult with an Ear/Nose/Throat specialist. 5 months, ago, my dentist found some "weird" white spot, on my tongue, and said I had to have a biopsy. I'm a long time, smoker, immediate suspician. Possible cancer.
And this ENT medical doc, said, bullshit. No Biopsy. It's nothing.
Hmm. Two months, ago, I started the FOCC.
Did the FOCC "cure" this potential tongue cancer?
We'll never know. I just know, today, the ENT medical doc said, today, there is nothing wrong, with me.
I will just come, clean, I have a bias against anything thrust, upon me. And when anyone says that I "need" something, I'll rebel.
The latest, I rebelled against this "tongue biopsy." And as it turned out, I didn't even need it.
I just think that more women should question what their docs are offering them. These doctors are NOT gods. They are just people, like you and me.
It's up to us, to be our own advocates.
I am, And will always continue, to be.
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hi Leia...I was just trying to surf the internet in hope of some information n testimonials on Budwigs Protocol and i came to this discussion board. my mom was diagnosed on dec 2008 for dcis, invasive ductal carcinoma and she just had her surgery, lumpectomy, on march 2009..she had no lymph nodes affected, n clear margins, but now theres another problem, the surgeon found cancer cells around her nipple in same breast which she expects are dcis...and now she is suggesting a mastectomy...now she has completely changed her diet and she wants to try the budwig program, but she is ER/PR +.......will that create some complications if she tries the flaxseed oil with the cottage cheese?
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No complications will occur with the Budwig diet of flax oil and cottage cheese, unless Mom is allergic to milk products. A couple of spoonfuls is enough cottage cheese, with a Tblsp of flax oil. Add agave if sweetner is needed. Two or three times each day. Buy organic cottage cheese.
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My sister who has been on the Budwig Protocol since her Stage 3 Ovarian cancer diagnosis in January of 2008 recently sent me this post. It is from the FlaxseedOil2 Yahoo group:
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Hi,
Flax seeds have a beneficial estrogen effect. They lower estrogen.
Below is an answer I wrote on this topic a couple weeks ago.Here's some research for you regarding the benefits of flax seeds,
which have lignans, and flax oil that is high in essential fatty
acids, which every person needs.Flaxseed lignans, which are part of the flax seed hull, lower the
estrogen dominance in women and men. Lowering estrogen can help to
protect against breast, ovarian and prostate cancers. There are many
quotes on this subject on the web. Here are a few:"Lignans subdue cancerous changes once they've occurred, rendering
them less likely to race out of control and develop into full-blown
cancer, " says flax researcher Lilian Thompson, Ph.D., professor of
nutritional sciences at the University of Toronto."Lignans show particular promise for battling breast cancer. They do
this by blocking the effects of estrogen, which, over time, seems to
increase breast cancer risk in some women. Even when estrogen-
sensitive tumors get a chance to grow, lignans exert a restraining
influence that can slow or even halt their growth. In a laboratory
study, breast tumors in animals given flaxseed shrank by
50 percent in seven weeks."Flaxseed has two additional cancer-fighting secrets. It's a rich
source of polyunsaturated fats, including omega-3 fatty acids, which
appear to limit the body's production of chemicals called
prostaglandins. This is important because prostaglandins, in large
amounts, can "speed up tumor growth," says Bandaru S. Reddy, Ph.D.,
chief of the division of nutritional carcinogenesis at the
American Health Foundation in Valhalla, New York."Below is one of many of our member testimonials from a woman
who had advanced breast cancer that was estrogen positive plus mets
to her spine. She overcame it by using the Budwig plan. She also
posted an update in 2007 and continues to be healthy. Please see our
files for more testimonials.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2/files______
Anyone truly interested in the Budwig protocol should visit the FlaxSeedOil2 Yahoo group. Lots of great info, there.
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As a Naturopathic Doctor I have studied several different types of natural theapies for cancer. The one that tops them all is the Budwig protocol of Flaxseed oil and cottage cheese along with some dietary recommendations and a few supplements, herbal teas, etc. I have access to hundreds of favorable case studies and testimonials from people that have used the Budwig method. Some use it with chemo and others do it without. That's a personal choice. One of the biggest problems many have is they do not do the Budwig program correctly and therefore do not get the desired results. Done according to Dr. Budwig it really is a potent formula. Lloyd
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Lloyd, what exactly is the correct way to follow the Budwig program? I don't suppose substituting yogurt for the cottage cheese would 'count'? Also, I found a video on youtube that demonstrates how to mix all the ingredients together, and an electric hand mixer was used to combine the ingredients. I wonder if it's really necessary to use an electric mixer, rather than just a spoon.
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Althea, like you I am a novice when it comes to Dr. Budwig's protocal. I'm just an old guy tired of seeing friends and relatives die from cancer. My kid sister has had breast cancer 3 times, this last in the form of cancer in her spine, rubs, and liver. My dad and I sent her Essaic tea, or Floressence tea which is supposed to help the immune system. I have been doing amateur research on complementary cancer treatments for dozens of years starting with Dr. Joe Gold's
hydrazine sulfate protocal for starving cancer. Seems like it has been used successfully in
countries other than here-- a long story. Regarding Flax seed oil and cottage cheese, Dr.
Johanna found out that blending the oil with the cottage cheese makes the oil accessible to our cells. What does it is the sulfur in the CC that makes the oil, water soluable. You can tell I didn't major in science. The two must be well blended so the sulfur can make the omega-3 oil in the flaxseed oil bio-available. After they are well blended you can add milk or juice or fruit and make a fruit smoothie out of it. If you use yogurt, use a 3 to 1 ratio of yogurt to oil. The science behind this is that the omega-3 helps to get more oxygen to our cells as well as nourishing our cells which need omega-3 fatty acid. Our regular cells need lots of oxygen to survive and multiply, and the cancer cells die in the presence of oxygen because they are fermentation cells that thrive on sugar and the lack of oxygen. Go to the yahoo site as others have suggested. It's hard for me to take all the information in, but I have to if I am going to help Mark's Mom get thru her 4th stage cancer. I want to believe all the testimonials at the flaxseedoil2 site so I can spread the word. Standard medicine is too painful and damaging in its approch to cancer. In the 1950's, Dr. Johanna said that it is easy to kill cancer. Easy? Yes, she said easy if you give the body healthy foods to strenghten it. Then the immune system will kill the cancer she said. She was blackballed because she refused to use the standard treatments of rediation and chemo. We need to learn more about her and her science. She was a chemist and blood specialist. She warned people about the new hydogenated oils that the food industry was introducing into foods to extend shelf life. We have taken a stand against smoking. Perhaps it is time to ban hydrogenated oils from food for our sake and the sake of our children. I have to find some of Dr. Johanna's books myself. We need a way to document the remissions brought about by Dr. Johanna's protocal, a reliable clearing house which reviews cancers and their remission so that new cancer patients can make intelligent decisions about using Dr. Johanna's protocol which includes avoiding processed foods, meats, etc. Sorry if I get carried away. I pray for your success and the success of all who are in this battle against cancer.
in the f
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Flaxseed is NOT good for estrogen receptor positive breast cancer as it produces estrogen in the body.......
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Flaxseed does NOT produce estrogen in the body!!!!! It acts as a phytoestrogen...two different things!
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Lisa you said it well,
I remember reading that estrogen metabolites are increased in the urine with flax consumption. and a study of women with new BC were given either a flax muffin or a regular muffin...prior to removal of the tumor....and that all who consummed the flax muffin daily, that their tumors decreased in size by the time they had their surgery.
I wish there were more natural studies, like the flax oil, flax muffin, CoQ10 etc......it is sad that good stuff goes unnoticed.
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Oh Amber, you are so right...however, it doesn't just go unnoticed. The pharmaceutical companies notice it, then they try to replicate it with a drug, so they can make money off of it!
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This is what I found about phytoestrogens.............
Yes, they know that estrogen curbs hot flashes, night sweats, vaginal dryness, mood swings, changes in sleep patterns, and other symptoms of menopause. They may also know that, over the long term, hormone replacement therapy reduces the risk of heart disease, osteoporosis, and maybe even Alzheimer’s disease.
But for many, estrogen simply isn’t an option as long as some research suggests that it may raise the risk of breast cancer.
Can you smell an opportunity?
Supplement makers can. “Dramatic benefits within 4 to 8 weeks,” promises Remifemin. A midlife change “just as Nature intended,” offers Promensil.
Of course, it doesn’t hurt sales that taking anything seems to help relieve menopausal symptoms, at least for a time. “The placebo effect is giant,” concedes one manufacturer.
But beyond that, there isn’t much evidence that menopausal shakes, powders, or pills work.
The active ingredients in most dietary supplements for menopause are phytoestrogens — chemicals found in plants that may act like the estrogen produced naturally in the body.“These plant estrogens are thousands of times weaker than natural estrogen,” says nutritionist Mindy Kurzer of the University of Minnesota. “But they also circulate in the blood at levels thousands of times higher than natural estrogen.” That’s why researchers want to know if plant estrogens work like natural estrogen.
The food that is richest by far in phytoestrogens is soybeans. A typical three-ounce serving of tofu, for example, contains about 23 milligrams of isoflavones (the major group of phytoestrogens). About a half-cup of shelled peanuts, on the other hand, has less than a tenth of a milligram. Menopausal supplements made from herbs like black cohosh, red clover, and dong quai may contain soy-like levels of plant estrogens.
“A Japanese person who eats a traditional fish, rice, and soy-based diet probably consumes an average of 20 to 40 mg of isoflavones a day from soybeans,” says soy expert Mark Messina of Nutrition Matters, a consulting firm in Port Townsend, Washington. People in the Western industrialized countries, on the other hand, get only about five milligrams a day from their food.
“Researchers thought that Asian women may experience milder symptoms during menopause than Western women because the soy foods in their diets provide plant estrogens to supplement their dwindling supply of natural estrogen,” says Margo Woods of Tufts University in Boston.
But that’s not proof that soy foods — or the phytoestrogens in soy foods or menopausal supplements — ease women’s discomfort. Here’s the evidence on soy powders and foods made from soy.
So far, seven studies have compared soy protein shakes, bars, muffins, and flour to look-alike (but soy-less) placebos. Two of them found that soy curbed hot flashes. But even though both studies used similar soy powders, their results were inconsistent:
Once a day for six weeks, Gregory Burke and colleagues at Wake Forest University in North Carolina gave a soy protein beverage containing 34 mg of isoflavones to 42 women who had been experiencing at least one daily hot flash or episode of night sweats.1 For another six weeks the women were given a placebo beverage, and for another six weeks they were given the soy beverage twice a day.Drinking soy once a day did nothing to relieve their symptoms, the women reported, while taking it twice a day reduced the severity — but not the number — of hot flashes by 20 percent. The soy drinks had no effect on other symptoms.
In an Italian study, 51 women with severe hot flashes drank a soy protein beverage twice a day (with a total of 76 mg of isoflavones) for 12 weeks, while 54 similar women were given a placebo beverage.2The average number of hot flashes in the soy-drinkers declined from 11 a day to six. In the placebo group it dropped from 11 to eight. While statistically significant, “that’s a very modest difference,” says Tufts’ Margo Woods. “It may not be enough for some women who are looking for an alternative to estrogen.”
The Italian researchers didn’t measure the severity of the women’s hot flashes, and the soy had no effect on symptoms like anxiety, headaches, or insomnia.
(The beverages used in the U.S. and Italian studies were similar to Ross Laboratories Health Source Soy Protein Shake.)
In five other studies, soy products were no better than soy-free placebos at relieving any menopausal symptoms. They included:
soy-flour muffins (with 80 mg of isoflavones) eaten once a day by 48 women for six months,soy bars (with 23 mg of isoflavones) eaten twice a day by 76 women for three months, andbread baked with soy flour (with 70 mg of isoflavones) eaten once a day by 23 women for 12 weeks.3Three of the five studies haven’t been published yet.
The bottom line: “Most studies find that soy has no effect on menopausal symptoms,” says Burke. “When a benefit is detected, it appears to be relatively mild, and much less than what women get from estrogen replacement therapy.”
No good studies have looked at foods like tofu, soy cheese, or soy burgers (some burgers and other soy foods may not even have decent levels of isoflavones). As for menopausal supplement pills: “We have yet to see any good published data that suggest that these pills have a significant impact on menopausal symptoms like hot flashes or night sweats,” says Burke (see p. 10). What’s more, generous doses of isoflavones — from powders or pills — may not be safe (see “Practicing Safe Soy”).
“Soy will probably lower your cholesterol levels if they’re high, and maybe future research will show that soy can prevent osteoporosis and certain cancers,” says Burke.
But when it comes to the discomfort of menopause, don’t expect a miracle.
References1: Menopause 6: 7, 1999.
2: Obstet. Gynecol. 91: 6, 1998.
3: Climacteric 1: 124, 1998.See Also: The Soy Story
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Phytoestrogens are plant based estrogens that act like natural estrogen in the body.........It FEEDS estrogen receptor positive breast cancer...........
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Hollyann could you post the links that say that phytoestrogens FEED cancer. In all my years of research I have never read that. In fact my doctor told me to go ahead and eat flax and other phytoestrogens, as they act as a weaker estrogen in the body...therefore blocking the estrogen receptors from the bad estrogen.
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My oncologist Dr. Janice Galleshaw has told me NOT to consume phytoestrogens if at all possible because it feeds er/pr + breast cancer..........Dr.Galleshaw is a leading oncologist here in Ga........
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Wow, thanks....can you find out some studies I can read, because I want to have all the information possible! Thanks!
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cp418 posted this on another thread and I'm taking the liberty of posting it again. I also suggest everyone read her earlier post on this thread. Flaxseed is GOOD for you, est+ or not!
http://breastcancer.about.com/od/cancerfightingfoods/a/flaxseeds.htm
Cheers,
Linda
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Lisa and Linda, I am in agreement, everything I have read....there aren't studies that I know of that show any harm from phytoestrogens. Holly, it may just vary from oncologist to oncologist....my oncologist gave me the OK on flax, said it was a good omega 3...
I think the synthetic estrogens and estrogen mimickers are the bad guys!!!! LOL
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Google phytoestrogens and you will find all kinds of information....Just don't get it from Wikapedia cause that one anyone can edit and add whatever so it is not a reliable source......
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Ok What I read is flax is good for PRE menopausal women....I am POST menopausal so maybe that is why your doctors recommend it for you because you are PRE menopausal.....As a POST menopausal woman estrogen is NOT good for me according to my doctor.......maybe that is why I am told not to eat anything with soy or phytoestrogens.....I can't find the papers my doctor gave me ( I was going to try to scan them into my computer to post here)......I go on Monday to see my oncologist and will try to get more info from her........
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Just remember some of the best source of phtoestrogens are also have many other good health benefits.
Flalady
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Hi everyone. I started reading this thread about an hour ago and find it very interesting. I am looking for ways to incorporate healthy eating into my diet. I am going to try the cottage cheese and flax seed. I love cottage cheese but have never tried the flax. I'm very interested to see what this is going to be like. Being DX trip neg, I am trying to find alternative options for me to hopefully prevent a recurrence.
Hi FlaLady - I enjoy reading your posts. You are always so positive!
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