Can we have a forum for "older" people with bc?

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  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 4,630
    edited April 2023

    Sandy - your weather sounds frightful. Glad you weren't hurt in the fall. The 10 days will go quickly before you leave. You are more of an organizer than me!

    Pushed myself a little too much yesterday. I was wiped by 9pm. Also waited up for DD#2 to get home - DH made the treck to the airport. They got here at midnight which is what I predicted. 4.5 hours sleep is not quite enough!!! From leaving her apartment to getting to our house - DD#2 travel was 29 hours - flight time about 25 hours. WAs so nice to get a big hug. I'm sure she will be exhausted today as she generally doesn't sleep when she has an early morning flight. The taxi picked he up at 4am. She doesn't go to bed till 12:30 or 1:00am.

    Cold and snow in the forecast, but only up to 2" for the city. 30 degrees colder than yesterday. By Thursday warming up to the 70s next week. Not ready for that heat yet.

    Have a great Tuesday.

  • mavericksmom
    mavericksmom Member Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2023

    Karen, so glad your DD#2 is home! She will bounce back from the lack of sleep faster than you will! Oh to be young again! I think we all over do things while going through treatments. Our drive to be normal sometimes overcomes our body's ability to keep up. Enjoy your family and cut yourself some slack!

    Sandy, I'm so glad you weren't hurt from your fall! That is one part of getting older that really annoys me, not the falling, but having such trouble getting up! I have had both shoulders replaced and had surgery (not a replacement) on one knee. I plan to start exercising to strengthen my arms and legs to make getting up easier, as soon as I am off of my surgery restrictions. Sounds like you are well prepared for your vacation to Ireland! Take a lot of pictures and please share!

    Sunny this morning again. The back of our house faces east, and I love the morning sun!

    My sister and her husband are coming back north from Florida today. I hope they don't run into any problems with the weather. They are coming from Naples and break it into a three-day drive. They have been doing it so long that they have it down to a science now.

    I definitely will not have any more wellness visits with my PCP. They are not mandatory. I may be retired now, but my time is still valuable.

    Congrats to any UCON fans. I was glad to see them win. Watched the first half but couldn't stay awake for the rest of the game. I still don't understand the calls. I prefer college sports to professional, and I am not looking forward to baseball season as my DH is a big fan.

    Trying to avoid all the news today as I have had my fill of the former President's legal woes. If I have to hear one more person say that this is unprecedented I will scream! Who cares? I don't! The news media, in their quest to be the first to report the news, just hype everything up and often times the make things far worse than they need to be. My solution, turn the TV off and don't read the news on my devices! I prefer to listen to music anyway. Ironic that it is also the anniversary of MLK's assassination.

    I plan to go for a walk today, breath in fresh air and enjoy the sights and sounds of spring!

  • petite1
    petite1 Member Posts: 2,294
    edited April 2023

    Good morning. It took me forever to read all the posts. The weather issues sound frightful. I know what it is like. When I was a child the house was hit by a tornado. We were fortunate not to have too much damage. I remember one broken window, roof damage, TV antenna, damaged door and a crack in my bedroom wall. A house down the street was destroyed.

    I have a hair appointment today and then meeting a friend for lunch.

    Prayers to those going through so much.

  • cardplayer
    cardplayer Member Posts: 2,051
    edited April 2023

    Cindy - I hope your Fitbit let you sleep the the night last night. I tried a Fitbit Sense for a little while. I couldn’t wear it at night, it was too heavy for my wrist. It stopped working before the 30 day warranty, so I returned it for a smaller Fitbit model but it didn’t track sleep. It didn’t count my steps accurately, so I just decided to use my phone for steps instead. Guess I’m not a Fitbit person, although my friend loves hers.

    Sandy - glad you are prepare for storms. We purchased a generator after loosing power for 5 days years ago. We’ve used it once, but it’s given us peace of mind. We also have a bathtub bladder for storing water (for flushing the toilet). Have never used it. Glad you didn’t injure yourself falling. Sounds like you’re getting ready for the trip to Ireland.

    Karen - so glad that DD#2 has safely arrived and DD#1 will be there soon. So nice to have your family with you and DH for your Seder. Let them do the bulk of the work as you enjoy having family home. Sorry to hear about the testing mixup.

    Mavericksmom - does your sister and her husband live nearby? I didn’t watch the game. It started too late for me. I’m usually asleep by 9:30ish. I did watch the NATs lose another game though. I too am staying away from the news today.

    Enjoy your lunch today Petite.

    I was rudely awaken at 6:10 this morning by a cat getting sick. One of our cats (Lisa - the other is Bart) has a sensitive stomach and decided to get sick this morning. So I was up earlier than normal (normal for me is between 6:30 and 7) cleaning up. Using this as an opportunity to wash all the bathroom rugs, since it’s a beautiful spring day. We can hang the rugs out to dry outside. Heading off for a sound bath this morning as a reward.

    I hope everyone is doing well and has a healthy day.

  • mcbaker
    mcbaker Member Posts: 1,833
    edited April 2023

    I was very busy yesterday, but every time I sat down I felt sleepy, so I took two naps. So I tried to get to bed at the usual time, and couldn't sleep. I got up and read. Went to bed 1 1/2 hour late. Woke up with the headache back around five. Took my morning meds, some ibuprofen and antiacids, and coffee. Nuked the headwrap my daughter sent me. Went back to bed and woke up half an hour ago. My fitbit told me that I had slept eight hours!! No naps today. The self-care this morning really helped.

    Whoever got mad at their fitbit, I will get back to that later today.

    We only expect half an inch of rain. I think I heard that the Dells are going to get hit hard again. The creek across the street in the park is running high, and I saw some mud around it.

    Looking forward to Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Easter Sunday services at church. As well as my last class tonight on Ignatius of Loyola. Rich in sources for my writing project-- they knew that was exactly what I needed.

    Karen, I am encouraged to see you doing one thing after another. Sometimes that is what we gotta do.

    I have my day all mapped out before me, so I have to get busy. No naps!!

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,835
    edited April 2023

    A life of significance does not look the same for every person. Each is as individual as the person who lives it. They come in many shapes and sizes. However, there are some things that all people who achieve significance have in common: They strive for excellence. They do the small things well. They care about others. They constantly improve themselves. They give it their all. - John Maxwell

  • cindyny
    cindyny Member Posts: 1,328
    edited April 2023

    Sandy, fortunate you didn't get hurt in that fall. Truly unexpected falls work out sometimes better than when we to catch ourselves. We're going to Ireland in June and I'm debating on new luggage. I'm going to look up the piece you mentioned. We'll be in some Airbnb places with washer & dryers so I'm hoping to pack light.

    Karen you must have given a sigh of relief to hug your daughter. You both should take a nap as needed today.

    Mavericksmom my drive from Fort Myers to Albany, NY is usually 3 overnights. Your family has it down. Retired and not in a hurry, I can't take sitting in a car more than 6 hours.

    Petite, I know when I miss a day or more it takes forever to catch up, and I need to take notes to make any comments. Enjoy your afternoon hair appointment and lunch.

    Mary, eight hours of sleep is what I aspire to! Super nice to feel rested.

    Cardplayer, I'm wearing the FitBit for an American Cancer Society research group. It's a Change5 and weighs much of nothing. The study is over in July and I'm not sure if I'll continue wearing it. On one hand it's nice, tracking movement, etc; other hand if I sleep crappy, I don't need this to tell me that. Also if I “think" I'm getting 7 hours of sleep, but actual is 6 or less, I'm not sure stressing out over lack of sleep helps me in anyway. Walking and step counting is ok too. But days I'm sedentary, I'm aware; as well as days you've walked your butt off, I know I did. Although knowing someone is tracking me, sometimes back in NY walking with gfs we'll say - do we keep going or stop? I'll say, I'm being tracked let's keep going.

    I was awake for almost an hour between 6:30-8, Fitbit says do HAHA, got up after 9. It was already 80 out so I skipped the bike ride. I may do it tonight after 7 pm, hoping the temp is down.

    I had calls to make yesterday that didn't get made, so did them too. Car dealer - there is no one to take your call right now.. .Really? My dentist - called Friday and it was answering machine, same today so I left a message. First dentist I saw on 1/6, asking about an $8 credit; I can come in and pick up a check. That's my day!

    PS- I was calling the dentists cell phone! Office called be back.

  • chisandy
    chisandy Member Posts: 11,408
    edited April 2023

    Mary, that headache can be a sign of an impending storm, or at least a drop in barometric pressure. When the outer air pressure drops, the air pressure inside the body rises--often increasing lymph flow. That's why we can not only get headaches, but also achy joints, tight rings, lymphedema exacerbation, bowel "urgency," even leaky fountain pens (the air inside the ink sac or cartridge expands and pushes the ink out the feed & nib).

    We're under severe T-storm warning for the next hour & a half. All signs are that these systems (next wave due to hit tonight) will not be as severe or widespread as last Friday. Still, everything is ready to go in case we need to retreat to the basement. Will pick up some more stick-up push-lights for walls & stairwells today when I run my errands.

    My HK had to leave early because her DH called to say he'd had another "accident." She says he will likely go into a facility (which she's been trying to get him to agree too), and then she will go back "home" (to B'ham) to decompress. Hope she comes back.

    Just got some Air Tags to put in my luggage. Gonna figure out how to link them to my phone. A keychain holder for one is on the way, and I will put it on Bob's key ring. I always know where my own keys are--I've gotten really obsessive over "a place for everything and everything in its place." I may be messy & my house cluttered, but it's organized clutter.

    Cardplayer, my sympathies over your sick kitty. Been there, done that, all too often & recently. I hope it's just a touchy tummy & not the start of something more serious. (Every time I hear Heidi's tummy rumble, I think "oh, no, here we go again." But half the time it's my own gut making those noises, due to anxiety). Love the names "Bart" & "Lisa."

  • mcbaker
    mcbaker Member Posts: 1,833
    edited April 2023

    Sandi, And my sinuses have also been in a constant uproar since my concussion. Getting more manageable, or getting better at managing it.

    Cindy, When I got my "new" cellphone, I disconnected all (hopefully) alarms between phone and fitbit. You will have to explore the settings with both to do that.

    I had my medicare wellness check a month ago. They sent me a gift card good at restaurants nowhere near me. I sent it to my daughter. I just got a piece of mail saying that we can get giftcards at a well-known drugstore chain. Not in town, but closer.

    I just got back from voting, and Tippy is persistently pawing at my leg.


  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 4,630
    edited April 2023

    Card - DD#1 isn't coming. Just DD#2 and son who lives nearby.

    Passover starts tomorrow night. I won't be on the computer Wednesday night through Saturday night. The 1st sedar is 4 of us - DH, DS, DD#2 and me. 2nd sedar is 3 - DS has to work. DH and DD#2 will do a lot of cooking tomorrow as well as clean the house. She went to the grocery store today and made Passover cookies with Almond Flour. Friday she will make chicken soup. She really is a good cook/baker and likes to cook/bake. For a Mom who didn't like to cook with the kids cuz it slowed me down, all my kids are good cooks.

    Dreading chemo on Friday based on the first one. I sure hope the side effects are not cumulative like TAC chemo was for me. DD#2 is coming with me.

    I'll probably check in tomorrow morning before work.

    Sweet dreams.

  • mcbaker
    mcbaker Member Posts: 1,833
    edited April 2023

    Have a good vacation from the computer and other stresses. It will be good for you in many ways.

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Member Posts: 8,214
    edited April 2023

    Interesting insights into observing Passover and Jewish traditions. The only Jewish people I knew about when I was growing up were owners of an upscale department store, the Rosenblums, and owners of the only jewelry store, the Antins. After I was grown and married, dh and I became friends with the Paillets in New Orleans, wealthy but very down to earth Jewish people. We got to know them through sailing. They were not religious.

    I've always found it puzzling that Christians include the Old Testament in their Bible since the New Testament documents Christianity. The Old Testament is the history and religious teachings of the Jewish people. I recently downloaded a King James version of the Bible and started reading at Genesis. I have been somewhat amazed that so many of the childhood Sunday School lessons happened in Genesis.

    Wishing everyone a safe and pain free Wednesday.

  • mavericksmom
    mavericksmom Member Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2023

    Karen, you are in my thoughts, I really hope Friday goes better for you! I had ACT chemo too, and to this day I can't look at anything similar to Hawiian Punch!

    Mary, hope your headaches go away!

    As for Wellness visits, my insurance gives gift cards for House Calls, which I also will NOT do! I don't want a stranger I didn't contact, coming into my home! I am sure it gets people who normally wouldn't see a doctor some kind of care, but I am still in charge of my health, so for now, I do it my way. I already decided that if they try to give me the "clock" paper again at my PCP's office when I am not signed up for a wellness visit I am telling them "NO!"

    Betrayal, I keep forgetting to tell you that we used to board our two dogs, one lab, one chihuahua mix, together at PetSmart. We signed them up for daily play with other dogs. Apparently, they divided the big dogs and small dogs. I got a call from them telling me they had to put our lab in with the small dogs as he was terrified of the big dogs. They said the small dogs loved him! I just laughed, Maybe in another life he was a small dog? He was such a sweetheart.

    Cardplayer, I hope Lisa is feeling better! My sister who spends winters in Naples lives about two hours from me. I have another sister who lives within a mile. Our brother lives about three hours away. My oldest sister moved with her family to WI when I was a teenager. She and her DH wanted to get away from both families. They moved to Houston to follow their kids who both moved to TX for jobs. I never felt close to my nephew or niece because they lived so far away. Sad really, because when she was sick with breast cancer and lymphoma, then MDS, we couldn't support her the way we could have had she not moved so far away. Since my sister passed away, I rarely ever hear from her DH and never hear from her kids.

    Hope all in the storm's path are safe. Looks like just rain and maybe thunderstorms for us, nothing like Saturday.

    I wish I was planning a vacation! I do have my son and his family coming to visit this summer so that is something I am looking forward to!

    Have a great day everyone!

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,835
    edited April 2023

    The masters in the art of living make little distinction between their work and their play, their labor and their leisure, their mind and their body, their information and their recreation, their love and their religion. They hardly know which is which. They simply pursue their vision of excellence at whatever they do, leaving others to decide whether they are working or playing. To them they're always doing both. - James Michener

  • mcbaker
    mcbaker Member Posts: 1,833
    edited April 2023

    I have lived separate from my family for years, because of problems with some of them, and the culture of the area. Those problems have now been mostly resolved. With the BC, then the knee, plus some brief counseling a few years ago, and my aunt's pressuring me on the issue, I have become more and more conscious of that hole in my life. After knee replacement I will be moving back to the area where I was born and raised. Only cousins and aunt there, but more opportunities to be with my sibs when they visit, and I suspect that my son will also be moving into that area.

    I have recorded blood pressures for the past week and believe that the headache will soon be gone. Just messaged my PCP.

    Carole, Judaism was the foundation for Christianity, so that basic Jewish morality (stripped of the heaviest burden of the law) could spread throughout the world. Jesus would not have been effective if he had not irritated some Jews. True Christians have great respect for that foundation.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,835
    edited April 2023

    Karen, I'm sending you positive vibes for Friday as well for a smooth treatment and no side effects troublesome to you.

    We are awaiting storms here which likely will take place on and off all day. Hope it is not too wild a Wednesday. We have continued to have way more wind than we have had in past years. I'm really tired of it. It is so different now as compared to when we came back home in 1997. Even the springtime when we faced tornadoes. I was more upset then for my Mom who really worried a lot when Spring came. I always found it a bit off-putting that we all had learned in time to take the Southern California earthquakes in stride but found the idea of a tornado almost un-bearable. So, I usually wanted to soothe my Mom, rather than be concerned for myself.

    I obviously don't have much planned for today since going out would be iffy and I'd have to hope for there to be good sized breaks between the rain. It is just always hard to say inn our little pocket here. We can get it worse or better than the prediction, but I would have to say it is almost always better. Quite dark right now and almost no wind when 5 mis. ago there was so much.

    I hope you all have a great day and hope you also have sun and good weather.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 1,427
    edited April 2023

    Carole, I like that...wishing everyone a pain free and joyous Wed.
    As for religion...it baffles me. My father was Jewish; my mother was Catholic (OY!). We (my twin and I) were raised athiest. My father lost swaths of family during the Holocaust and came to the conclusion that if there were a god, he was one mean SOB, so that was the end of religion. I know adversity sometimes brings people closer to their beliefs and chases others further away. We were the latter. I am not well versed in much of it. It took a year for me to understand that catholic is christian but christian isn't necessarily catholic. OY Vey! I think I like Buddhist ideals. Religion helps a lot of people cope and "play nice," so if it is used for good, I'm all for it. I just hate when wars occur and lives are destroyed in the name of a religion.



  • mcbaker
    mcbaker Member Posts: 1,833
    edited April 2023

    The issues during WW2 were not religion. They were power, money, and property. Many Jews were wealthy, and Hitler and his cronies wanted that wealth. The Nazis were not Christian, although they had to tread gently among the Lutherans. They instead invented a religion which they believed was that of the pre-Christian Nordic tribes. When they invaded Poland, they gathered up a significant number of Catholic priests and sent them directly to the concentration camps. They also wanted Catholic property. If you want, you can read "A Church of Spies", by Mark Riebling. You will shed many misconceptions.

    They also gassed many people with mental and physical handicaps, as well as sexually diverse people and Roma.

    I have suffered from religion-based bigotry and have come to believe that God judges us according to what we do with what we were given, both good and bad. I have not been perfect in the difficulties I have experienced, but I know that God has forgiven me.

    Again, I would hope that this is the last post on this specific conversation.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 1,427
    edited April 2023

    mcbaker, the WW2 issues may not have been religious, in theory, but the people suffering at their hands who hoped and prayed for "help" were not offered it, thus the rejection of the belief.

    I'm happy to learn others' thoughts as long as we can be kind to one another without pretense. Thank you for your views.

    Editing to add: My sister has become a fundamentalist christian....it has caused many a rift with conversations. I wish it weren't so.

  • petite1
    petite1 Member Posts: 2,294
    edited April 2023

    Hope all of you in the Tornado zone are safe. The TV showed storms from Texas to Michigan. Religion in my extended families ranges from Amish, Mennonites, various Christians - primarily Methodist, Catholics to Hindu and everything in between. It makes for some interesting weddings and funerals.


  • mcbaker
    mcbaker Member Posts: 1,833
    edited April 2023

    Those at the highest levels in Vatican City were worried that if they were to make their efforts public and overt, the Nazis would triple the size of the concentration camps. Read the book. My last post on this subject, and I will report any further efforts on your part.

  • betrayal
    betrayal Member Posts: 3,363
    edited April 2023

    Mary, thanks for the book referral. This is a topic that can cause many reactions, both positive and negative, so I, too hope it ends here. Raised Catholic but made the decision many years ago that it doesn't appeal to me and with BC diagnosis, that was the end of any religion for me. I respect those who find comfort and solace in their religious beliefs, but want them also to respect my stance and beliefs. Grew up in a neighborhood that had a Jewish family, Italians and Polish, Christians that were Baptist, Presbyterian, and Methodist so feel well versed in their varied beliefs. Also ate some very good food over the years. Loved matzoh with the chicken fat schmear and their daughter loved pork chops at my house. Of the 4 of us, I think only my youngest brother still practices Catholicism but not sure of frequency. Other 2 practice other religions and one of those is actually in what we consider a "cult" religion.

    Karen: enjoy the Passover time with your family and hope that your chemo on Friday is bearable.

    Carol: I like the King James version of the Bible because it was what we read from when Bible readings were permitted in school. When my mother died (raised Methodist but converted to Catholicism), she insisted that we read the 23rd Psalm from the King James version rather than the Catholic version which we both considered horrible. Priest nearly had a seizure when we did and commented after that this should not have happened. Told him what my mother wanted was more important than what he wanted since it was her burial service.

    It is sunny here and expected to hit the 70's again but bad storms predicted for tomorrow with a high of 82. Tired of this wild weather since the daffodils will most likely fade before Easter and spring is gone in the blink of an eye. Bought some pansies to put in my window boxes but know they will not last long in hot weather either.

    Had Medicare Wellness check today and it is a real joke. They used to have you draw the circle for a clock but now provide you with a predrawn circle that you get to number and add the hands for a dictated time.

    Hope everyone has a great day.


  • mcbaker
    mcbaker Member Posts: 1,833
    edited April 2023

    I appreciate your post, Betrayal.

  • mavericksmom
    mavericksmom Member Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2023

    I too find religion to be interesting and very personal. I was raised Lutheran, but most recently Methodist.

    What turned me off of religion as a teenager happened after I read an extensive newspaper article about a plane that crashed in Alaska. I don't remember the complete details, but the gist of it is that the plane went down in a remote location. The family survived the crash but were injured. A teenage girl about my age at the time, 16, kept a diary. In the diary she went to great lengths about how she knew God would save them, they were praying so hard. In the end, none of them survived. I couldn't understand why God didn't save them! That memory stayed with me all these years.

    My father had friends who survived the Holocaust and for the reasons wallycat stated, it reinforced my confusion as to why these wonderful people had to die. Why didn't God save them? I remembered that God didn't save Jesus either.

    For a while after that I rejected all religions. I reasoned they were invented by man to learn to cope with life.

    I still have no answers for any of it but accept that as long as I am on earth, I never will. What happened to that girl in the plane crash and those who suffered during the Holocaust had a profound impact on me. I simply can't comprehend it! The world is not a kind place, but it doesn't mean we can't be kind and spread kindness, love and to others. I no longer search for answers to questions I can't possibly answer. Ironically, the religion I was taught as a child returned. The difference is that as an older adult I stopped looking at religion as an answer to all my questions and problems and more as a guide on how to live.

    What I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that there is more to life than living on earth. I don't know what it is exactly, because it isn't something I know from words but rather from feelings. I know I have told this story here before about when I had my mammogram in November of 2018 and found out I had breast cancer for the second time.

    Here is a shortened version. My sister who later passed from MDS, had given me a silver angel which was inside a clear stone like material. I carried it everywhere when I had bc in 2003. Afterwards I passed it on to someone who needed it more than I did. As time went on, I began to wish I had one like it again, so I searched for years for another to no avail. That night, while waiting for my disks of my suspicious mammograms to be copied so I could take them with me to my biopsy at Fox Chase, the nurse navigator said she had something for me. She gave me a small velvet pouch and inside was a silver angel in a stone like shape, exactly like the one my sister gave me in 2003! I FELT my sister! The feeling that came over me when I held that small stone in my hand was like none I ever experienced. After that, my sister's presence was known to me over and over again.

    This is a special week for so many. To those who celebrate Passover, I wish you a wonderful Seder. To those like myself who celebrate Holy Week and Easter, I wish you a wonderful holiday!

  • mavericksmom
    mavericksmom Member Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2023

    There are so many posts that happened while I was writing mine, trying to be careful of my wording. I have to do an errand now, hope I didn't offend anyone, and will catch up when later tonight.

  • cardplayer
    cardplayer Member Posts: 2,051
    edited April 2023

    Racism, especially anti-semitism was part of Nazi ideolog. Hitler consider the Aryans the superior race and everyone else was less than.

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-racism-an-overview


  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 1,427
    edited April 2023

    mcbaker, no need to get nasty about it. Since you are missing the point, there is obviously no need to continue this. Feel free not to reply.

    On a sad note, my estranged sister phoned me this morning, bereft. Her husband died on Sunday. I hope this may un-estrange our relationship --but what a sad reason.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,835
    edited April 2023

    We have had a longstanding, but somewhat un-spoken rule here not to talk about politics or religion. Both seem to inspire great upset at times. I enjoy the occasions that I consider light-hearted since I get to learn how people really feel or what some of the traditions people carry forward are all about. I perhaps missed something (easy for me these days) but most of what I felt I was reading was mainly informative.

    Mary, I'm speechless. Somehow I also missed that you were going to move closer to family after your operation. I'm happy for the fact that your happy and see it in a positive light. I always feel that strong urges or feelings that we need to do something are meant for a good reason, especially for ourselves when they come. You may recognize in that the fact that while I don't participate in established religions, but rather I do believe in deep spirituality. I tend to feel like Maverick. There is a force at work (special spiritual entities) who encourage and help us while we are here. As I think someone mentioned, while there is beauty here there is a lot of ugliness as well. Sometimes the extra push comes when most needed and we then make decisions for change.

    I also have had some occurrences (help) in life that were un-expected but made so much of a difference for me. Short Version: When Dad died and my Mom brought him home for burial, then decided to stay. She returned to So. Calif. where we all had been living long enough to take care of her life there. The minute she left the state for good I did not feel I was home. Within a short amt. of time something kept telling me (in my mind) that I should go be with my mother.

    I figured whoever was telling me this had no idea how difficult a time I was going to have to convince my husband we should do such a thing. Well, when I finally got the nerve to bring it up, Dh sat for a minute and then casually said ok. Within about four months we had purchased a house and were on our way home. So many things fell into place from buying the house, to even having lots of help packing up, and being able to hire a well-known moving company for an affordable price.

    When I realized what the VOICE had given me came when my mother passed away a year and a half after we came. I knew then that I had received one of the most beautiful gifts you can ever have -- getting to spend the last of my mother's life with her. I had had other such encounters w/o deeply exploring them. After Mom passed I had the time and energy to start an exploration. So that is the very short version of how I chose spirituality over established religions. The key, I think, is to let the intuitive portion we all possess, to come into being and try to not designate it into a category like you may have done many other times. We like to say something is a coincidence, chance, fate, serendipity, or whatever. I no longer believe that. The amt. of details that had to mesh in order for a 2000 mile move to take place so smoothly just in my mind cannot be said to be fate or chance. We as people think we need to describe and name everything in order to get along with it well. I have found while that can be true of a number of things, it is not true for everything. Sometimes we just need to figure what our REAL gifts are and realize those gifts are pure love.

    ETA:

    Wallycat -- I too hope you are able to re-ignite a better relationship with your sister. No matter how different we are, we end up being the same. My relationship with my sister was not at all good. Un-fortunately she passed on 11 days after my mother died. If you thought much about what I wrote above, I honestly believe it was meant to be that way. My sister hated me and was in fact in capable of change or our ever having the wonderful sisters relationship I had hoped for most of our adult lives. I never much mourned her but rather the idea of what we might have had. I did so much morning for my Mom, there wasn't any more left.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 1,427
    edited April 2023

    Illinoislady, thank you for your kind and considerate thoughts/words.

    Mavericksmom, I also enjoyed your post.

    There is so much cumulative wisdom here, I treasure those that have kind things to put to paper so we can all learn and try to be better.

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Member Posts: 8,214
    edited April 2023

    I am aware of our avoiding discussing religion and politics on this forum but we do venture a bit into both now and then. Personally I don't think anything offensive was said and the posts gave me additional insight and understanding. Not a bad thing, surely. I have never owned a dog and yet I don't object to posts going into great detail about pet dogs, including their pooping habits. I feel the same way about dogs as I do about humans. Some are more appealing and likable than others.

    Petite, I would almost like to pop in on one of your family gatherings with all those religions represented. LOL.

    On a truly safe subject, I have a new coffee maker that comes apart so that the parts can be washed in the dishwasher. One hated task for me is cleaning the water tank of a coffee maker. My old one was disgusting when I got a good look at it.

    Wally, I hope you and your twin can become closer. I'm wondering if her husband was older than her as is the case with you. I am close to both my sisters. My middle sister and I text every day. With both, I tread lightly around certain subjects out of consideration of their feelings.