Iodine, thyroid, and breast cancer??
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WhippetMom and Deanna- I think anom will be able to come up with the study, but I think I read that the US standards are outdated and the the EU uses different norms. I am so glad to see you both join the learning curve. It does take a lot of research, but eventually you will understand it all. Make sure you get Dr. Brownstein's book. If you cannot find it at the library, you can usually get it from a compounding pharmacy or from his website. Once you get throught the detox, you will be amazed at how much energy you will have once you get your iodine levels up.
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Deanna, your new pic, you look lovely! Just saying.
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oh.....I have to DETOX? ...."once you get through the detox"....Will I have to be locked in a dark room for an entire weekend? I'll get the book, but I hate pain and if vomiting is somehow involved, I think I might have to decline. I crave energy though....
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deanna, the association of american endocrinologists is the group that redefined 'normal' for TSH tests in 2002. http://www.aace.com/newsroom/press/2003/index.php?r=20030118 Getting too low into the range will turn into hyperthyroidism. I thought this page also gave instructions to get freeT3 or freeT4 testing (I forget which) for basic thyroid health screening, but it must be on a different page. I also see they suggest a synthetic scrip for treating hypothyroidism, but better choices are available.
whippetmom, detox symptoms associated with iodine supplements usually are headaches. Sometimes itching can occur. Reading Brownstein's book is definitely advisable, and also subscribing to the yahoo groups iodine list and reading at breastcancerchoices.org. I get cloudy urine as a sign of detox, and it can go on for a long time, but you won't have to turn into a recluse.
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I agree with Spring - Deanna your new pic is a good one!
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Anom! Help! Why am I scared to start my Iodoral!!??? I keep looking at the bottle, then I can scared that I will have the bromide thingy happen, I read what to do, but what is Celtic salt??? jeez, I am such a wuss!!
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Fairy-You ARE such a wuss!LOL You are not afraid of progesterone but are afraid of a little iodine???? Remember that bromine thingy is a GOOD thing. It is getting the gunk out of the engine so it can run better. Just take it slow. I started with 1 tab first week, then two, up to four over the first month. Mine comes in 12.5 caps. Good luck! You can do it! Just have some salt handy.
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Hey Vivre! LOL!! thanks! So, take one of the iodoral a day to start? then if I feel crappy, put 1/2 teaspoon of salt (what kind?) in some water and drink it, followed by a bunch of water, right? jeez, bear with me please!
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Hi fairy, you wuss. lol/jk I use sea salt from trader joe's that I received as a gift. Not only does my community not have trader joe's, we don't even have whole foods. Mainly, what you want is unrefined salt. If you take the iodoral and start to feel crummy from detoxing, the short, easy instructions for salt loading protocol is available at the breastcancerchoices.org site. I'd say on my worst days of detoxing, I just feel bleah and dont' want to do anything but curl up with a piece of fluff fiction.
I also recommend you read the protocol page at breastcancerchoices. I was slow to incorporate the whole protocol into my regimen, and I sneezed a LOT jan-july until I finally added ester C to my daily intake. Many of the detox symptoms do not involve downtime. Things like itching, sneezing, cloudy urine, headaches are typical detox symptoms.
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Yo! Cradle-robbing Wuss!
Most people don't get detox symptoms from Iodoral. Most people feel better. More energetic and smarter. But if you get a little brain foggy in the beginning, then you take the salt water protocol.
If you do get a side effect, it will sneak up on you-- you won't be talking to somebody and suddenly forget where you are. You might get a little headache. But you can get rid of this by pushing out the bromide thru the kidneys and urine with salt water. The US Army used this method.
Any salt will do in an emergency. Celtic Salt, Redmonds Salt and Himalyan Salt are just the purest, unprocessed brands.
Anyway, like Vivre said, you can start with ont tablet and see how it goes.
Report back!
xo Anom
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ok!!! I am going to start darn it!! Thank you all so much for taking the time today to get back to me, I very much appreciate it!
L
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I found a web slide show explaining why iodine is essential as a breast cancer therapy.
Dr. Tenpenny has been using iodine for breast disease for five years.
http://www.drlintegral.com/DoctorData%20Breast-Iodine%20Presentation--FINAL2.pdf
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My TSH and free t4 were normal, but low end normal. I have signs of hypothyroid and low progesterone.
Question: Is it safer just to paint the iodine on your skin and if it soaks it up, your body needed it? Then after 24 hours, it's still there, your body didn't need it?
I put some on my skin and it dissolved within 8 hours the first time I did it, so I did it again and it soaked up about the same, but yesterday it took a bit longer. Does this mean I was treating the deficiency I had or have? I am a newbie to it. I have joined the iodine group at yahoo but still don't get it. I'd rather paint it on then have one more thing my liver has to work on.
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gscott,
The lab tests are not very reliable. Iodine is not "one more thing" in my opinion, since its deficiency can cause breast cancer. If you want to give rodents breast tumors all you need to do is block the iodine in their diet.
As I said, iodine is not "one more thing" if it is an undelying cause. Removing the underlying cause should be the FIRST THING. Everything else is just well, everything else.
The skin iodine patch test only seems to indicate an iodine deficiency in your skin, not the other organs.
xx
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Interesting article about bromide dominance and how it causes iodine deficiency...
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Can you just build up VERY gradually, starting out with the lowest Iodoral dose - work up to 4 times the dosage over several months time?
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Lorraine: Did you take it?
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My husband asked how Rodants get iodine in their diet if it's not blocked. What foods do they normally eat that have iodine?
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Rats are normally are fed something used by the medical testing industry for standard rat diet, like Purina Rat Chow.
When scientists want to block iodine they can block the iodine uptake with the chemical, perchlorate.
You can verify all this information.
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Whippetmom,
Sure, you can even start with a half of an Iodoral tablet every other day if you want. Other women on this group have started with low dose. Some have started with high dose.
xo
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whippetmom- I started taking 1 tablet a day and had some detox symptoms. I was extremely nauseous. I laid off of iodoral for a few days and then started taking 1/4 tab per day. I did this for about a week. Now I am taking 1/2 tab per day. I will do this for a week and then progress upward. I am not having any more detox symptoms.
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whippetmom ~ I also started Iodoral very recently. I started with 1 tablet @ bedtime, but I didn't sleep well the first 2 nights I took it, which could have been coincidence, but which I sensed was related. So, on vivre's advice, I started breaking the tablet in 2 and taking 1/2 in the early a.m. and 1/2 around noon, and I've had no further problems sleeping. I've also had mild detox symptoms -- a mild headache some days (which I haven't had since I got off caffeine more than a year ago), a couple of complexion breakouts (which I never have) and cloudy urine. So, it's definitely doing something! Deanna
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I tried the full 12.5 mg about 5 days ago and had palpitations, nausea and insomnia. The next day I divided it in half and the same happened....plus the anxiety and a few times I felt I lost my breath and it freaked me out! That is why I wondered if you can just apply it to the skin. I don't seem to have adverse effects this way but wonder if it really helps or not.
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Gscott-You may have so much of the toxins in you, that detoxing is harder. I had been detoxing for a year before I started iodoral, with a strict diet and exercise program. When I started the iodoral, I still had a few days of headaches, and my energy was totally zapped. I did the salt loading and then I was fine. I could not drink salt water so I just ate a spoonful of salt quickly and chased it with warm water. It worked! It is also important to support the liver, since that is your filter for all the toxins. I read on the yahoo group that some people use milk thistle. I could not use it because it made me itch like crazy. I know this because I tried the milk thistle before I started iodine. I add things slowly so I can see how my body reacts. When I stopped the milk thistle, the itching went away after a few days. I use a liver cleanse that I got from my chiro called advaclear, by metagenics. They only sell through doctors I think. But I had done the liver clease before I started iodoral. You might try to do this first. If your liver is cleaner, it might be able to chelate the halides that iodine filters and maybe you will have less side effects. Also, try taking the iodoral in the middle of a meal, not on an empy stomach.Please do not give up. I do believe that "getting the oil changed" is a major component to getting our health back, and then we need to start using better fuel. I think of iodine as a vital component. You will be amazed at how much better you feel, physically and emotionally when you get everything running smoothly. I feel like I am 25 and I am more than twice that! Don't give up. Eventually you will figure out what works for you.0
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Thanks Vivre. Do you also use a progesterone cream? I am very interested in the liver cleanse since my liver has been inflammed for 15 years with unknown cause....most likely my celiac disease.
Did you test yourself for low iodine? Is there a book I should read that will help me step by step?
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I tested my iodine with the kit from breastcancerchoices.org I also think you should try to find the latest book by Dr. Brownstein. He just put out a new edition of "Iodine, why you need it and why you can't live without it". He does give a lot of great details about it all. I think I should ask him for royalties, I have been getting his book for everyone I know! LOL I got mine off the shelf from my compounding phamacy. It is the best 15 bucks I have spent! It just makes so much sense to me. I also got a combo progesterone cream with the helpful estrogens from the same pharm, but I have not started it yet. As I said, I tend to do one thing at a time. I need to get another urinalysis of my iodine levels first.
Be cautious with the liver detox. I think this should be your very first step. Find a doctor who can help you with this because if you try to detox too fast you can end up with problems. If your liver is inflammed, you need to root out the causes as this could be a leading reason for your bc. You need to get your liver healed so your body will heal. I found that chiropractors are more up on detoxing than regular doctors. That is who I went to. Mine helped me do a detox with the metagenics product. Basically, it is a very strict diet for several weeks, taking several supplements each day. You can do it faster, by drinking the product, but I cannot swallow viscous substances without gagging, so I opted for the pills. By detoxing slower, you have less likelihood of dumping all the toxins back into your body because the liver is overworked. Remember detoxing will cause symptoms no matter what. For me, it was mostly headaches, but it is amazing how much better you end up feeling in the long run. I continue to use the advaclear product as a maintanance program for the liver. It is not cheap, but a bottle lasts me 3 months. Yes, all this stuff adds up, but to me, it is still cheaper than the alternative. I just wish it was covered by insurance. Well, actually, I would prefer that insurance was like in the old days, when it was affordable because we just used it for serious conditions. Back then, a doctors visit was the same as our copay's now and people could afford to pay the doctor directly. All the paperwork that insurance causes, brings the price up because doctors have to hire more staff to process. This will be the same if the the goverment gets hold of our health care. I just wish we could go back to the good old days sometimes.
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Fairy/ Lorraine, did you start yet??
I just sent off my second Iodine Loading kit, can't wait to see if I've improved my saturation level!
Today, I went to see an Osteopathic Endocrinologist (Raleigh, NC) and boy, was she great. She is going to help me with all my vitamins and supplements. She did not freak at ALL about the iodine, seemed to be in the know, but said, that we need to be sure to take lots of anti-oxidents with iodine, and has increased things like Vitamin C and Fish oil, and recommended some other things. She LOVES DIM.
Lorraine, I also just sent off my Estrogen 2:16 test, and this new Dr. will be looking at those results and my suggest another test not by Metamatrix, says it's more complete.
I feel I may have finally found somebody to help me with all this natural/alternative/complimentary stuff, only time will tell. But, even just following these threads, I could tell I was already doing a lot of the right things. We rock.
Spring.
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Does anyone know of a reputable osteopathic endocrinologist in the DC/VA area? I am looking for someone to go to for testing and possibly starting DIM - Thanks!
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Springtime - I'm so glad that you have found somebody who can help you with the iodine/hormone route. I am in Chapel Hill and have been going nuts trying to find the right person to start working with so I'd love to hear who your doc is! I am about to start iodine any day soon (when I can chase this cold away). Your osteo doesn't by any chance muscle test nutrition with kinesiology too?
vivre - thanks a bunch for the inside scoop on detoxing. It is great to have all these tips up my sleeve if needed.
I'm feeling a little anxious about starting the iodine because I just got a load of info about my liver's function (and lack of function) from a detoxigenomic test (Geneva Diagnostics) which I took to explore whether I could detox tamoxifen properly (I don''t) and if I have any polymorphisms in my detox enzymes that might explain why I got breast cancer (I do). So I need to find someone who is excellent both from an endocrine and functional/integrative/holistic perspective.
Have any of you guys taken the detoxigenomic test?
Karen
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Karen, I sent you a PM with the specs on the lady I saw today. I am in Raleigh, so not that far.... Spring.
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