Iodine, thyroid, and breast cancer??
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Victoria, Your post is very interesting. I had no idea sea water containes so many health benefits. I have a question how often should I go to the ocean? I live about a half hour from the beach, but seem to never spend any time at the beach.
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Hi Kira1234,
As often as time allows you, I guess. Only you know your schedule.
I was spending way too much time in the city...sucking in smoke, tram, car and petrol fumes. Well that has changed. I go every day because the ocean is literally at my doorstep. And I wasn't spending anytime at all at the beach, for some years. *smacks forehead*
You're not too far away...perhaps you could drive there (accompanied of course) and walk along the beach several times a week. The colder the day the crisper the air - You will feel rejuvenated and sleep like a baby.
You don't have to go to the beach, if it's out of your way. Perhaps make the effort to walk in the park...or by a lake...anywhere where you might get some fresh air into you is therapeutic. I will say that any fumes you will encounter afterwards become magnified. You really notice the difference.
Have a lovely day.
Victoria
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Victoria, It's funny we moved to Florida to enjoy the ocean. We wanted a home close enough we could go to the beach often. It seems over the last 10 years we've so lost the pleasures of Florida. Your post has really gotten me thinking how my life has changed, and why. I seem to be in a place now where I want to learn from my mistakes, and hopefully live a healthier life.
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Victoria, that is so interesting about sea air and iodine! Years ago, I spent about a year in Greece, and I have to say, it was one of the healthiest times in my life. My skin glowed, and my cholesterol, which has always hovered around 200, miraculously dropped to 125 -- without any thought or effort. And even though I still incorporate much of the typical Mediterranean diet into my cooking, it's never been that low since.
Your comments and kira's about making changes made me think of something a wise friend told me shortly after I finished bc tx. She believes that illness and accidents come into our lives to teach us something we need to know. At first I thought that was a strange way to look at it, but the more I've thought about it, the more I understand it and agree. Obviously, if our bodies were functioning at their optimum, we would not have developed bc. So figuring out what we've been doing to contribute to that, whether it's living with way too much stress, or not getting enough sea air, may hold at least a partial answer to hopefully preventing a recurrence. This is absolutely not to say it was our fault that we got bc -- so please don't take it that way. But I've come to believe that there are things most of us can change that need to be changed, and I love the sea air suggestion. Deanna
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Hi girls,
read the thread and I am wondering too....I had the radioactive iodine for an overactive thryroid 10 yrs ago (thyroid had nodules then but no real symptoms). Hormones where fine after until two years ago when I tested again and started to become hypothyroid.
Started Fosamax for bone density the same time and developed ear aches every so often, thinking it's the Fosamax. Had thyroid checked also and am hypothyroid now, not by to much though but on Synthroid....ear aches are annoying so I got an ultrasound yesterday. They called: Two nodules, one at 11 mm and they want it biopsied....arrrgghhh.....thinking it is nothing but the ear aches are bothersome....
Anybody with thryroid or Fosamax ear aches that are 'harmless'?
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Calico, That's interesting about the ear aches. I never had sinus problems till my Thyroid. If I get a sinus infection and don't treat quickly it goes into my ear which causes equalibrium problems so serious the first time I ended up in the hispital with what they thought was a stroke. It just shows how all things are connected.
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I had a lot of earaches too. I credit it to the bacteria from my root canal. They really stirred up after I got my tooth pulled, and then again when I had some of my amalgams worked on. I am dosing with iodine, vit c, and vit d and they are gone now, ready for my next round of amalgam removal.
I could never go out in the cold before without gettng an earache. But since it does not seem to be a problem now, so I am making progress.
In my next life I will live near the ocean. or maybe even get to Australia some day. You can stop bragging now Victoria! LOL
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Kira,
yikes, glad you know to treat right away and get relief.
Vivre,
do you have the aches only on one side or both?
I don't have an infection, but a lot of postnasal drip from Taxol....it never really went away and I guess I am used to it.
One amalgan filling left as well and an ill fitting crown. The aches are on both sides with tinnitus and crunchy noises (that sounds rather funny but I don't know how to explain otherwise
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Calico, you must find biological dentist. They are trained to look for these infections. I did not believe it at first, but I attended a dental symposium led by Dr. Hal Huggins, who has extracted thousands of teeth from women with bc and they found the same deadly bacteria in all of them. He is the godfather of holistic dentistry and has been fighting to get this information out for decades. He is furthering the research of Westin Price, another dentist from the 30's who actually took the bacteria from a cancer patients tooth and put it into a mouse and that mouse got breast cancer. They have done this over and over with the same results. I went to three biological dentists for consults before I took it seriously. The last one told me GET THAT DAMN ROOT CANAL OUT BEFORE IT KILLS YOU! Yes, he yelled at me. I have had post nasal drip for years. My regular docs could not find anything wrong. I know it is not from my digetion, I have cleaned up my diet and take a good probiotic. I just started working on my teeth, so the PND is not gone yet, but I have still have 10 amalgams in my mouth. I am furious they have poisoned me with this stuff. They require a hasmat team if you break a mercury light bulb but they put this crapola in our mouths! Well the fact is, the law suits would be flying if the ADA ever recanted and admitted mercury was dangerous, so they continue the coverup. What a scam. I have a ton of research on this on my website if anyone wants to research more.
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Vivre,
wow, that's quite some info.
What do you put in place of the root canal? I thought the actual filling of that is some cement like stuff, the amalgam is 'only' the top filling? My last amalgam will be replaced by a ceramic crown.
If you take the root canal (itself) out, you have to pull the tooth?!
Is there a list of biological dentists?
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Ladies, I have tried to catch up on this thread but it's a lot of reading so forgive me if I repeat questions asked previously.
I have always felt I had an underactive thyroid because I have all the classic symptoms. My grandmother, mother and aunt all take thyroid meds so of course I was quite familiar with them (symptoms). However, I have asked doctors in the past to test it and blood tests always said that I was "within normal range". My naturalpath did a saliva test and that too was normal.
Fast forward.....I just received the findings of my thermography and it says:
Athermographic signal is noted suggesting a possible viscerocutaneous feedback reflex from the thyroid. This signal may be an indicator of thyroid disfunction. I would strongly recommend you see your for en exam of the area and a lab work up of the thyroid.
Of course, I hope nothing's wrong but I told my husband that I finally feel vindicated. All these years I've kept saying there has to be something "off" and all the doctors say "your fine, within normal range".
Prior to the receipt of this report and after reading some of these posts, I decided to self medicate and order some Idoral tablets. I have been taking 2 per day. I also use bioidentical progesterone cream because it tested low during my saliva work up.
Can anyone tell me, what is the recommended dose for the Idoral? (Not what docs say... but what you all have found to be beneficial)
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Impositiv-Most doctors do not know how to interpret the thyroid tests, or they look at levels that are too low. My docs never looked at my thyroid in all the exams I did, yet when I look back, I can see that I was hypo most of my life. And iodine deficient. I hope you are reading Dr. Brownstien's book before you start iodoral. You really need to do the protocol correctly with the companion nutrients or you could make matters worse. I would also encourage you shop around until you find a doctor who understands and knows how to regulate and monitor BHRT. Again, you can easily overdo it. You really need a doc who can test you and monitor everything.
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Impositiv - have you checked out the breastcancerchoices.org site? see the Iodine tab. You will find lots of info there, including a listing of companion nutrients to take, as Vivre mentions above. You may also qualify to have a free iodine loading test (the first one is free) and then you can get a free 15 minute consult with Dr. Flechas. I agree with what Vivre typed above. Nobody, even my osteopath, really understand iodine or the doses or anything. I go no help from anybody locally about this, so I do Iodine loading tests occasionally and consult with Dr. Flechas over the phone. My last loading test was 89% saturated, so I now know I am on the right path. It did take a while to get up this high. I started in the Mid 50% range.
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impositive, it's very difficult to find anyone worth even a copay on the topic of thyroid function. I wonder if it gets even an hour of lecture time in medical education. I complained literally for years of fatigue to the doctors I had at the time. Radiation knocked me on my ass. Learned later on my own that radiation treatments for bc is notorious for damaging thyroid function. Also learned later on my own that below normal temperature is a classic sign of hypothroidism. And difficulty losing weight, elevated cholesterol, elevated blood pressure, outer third of eyebrows thin or missing, the list goes on.
Once I started my learning curve, I discovered much to my dismay that everyone I saw was using 'normal' test ranges that the association of endocrinologists changed clear back in 2002. My first TSH test was in 2006, and I gave up on my doctors in 2008. The old range topped out at 5.5. And even though I had 2 TSH tests at 6.4 and 6.2, my internist saw fit to do nothing about my thyroid. In 2008 I requested a Free T3 and Free T4 test in addition to the TSH. I had printouts from the endocrinologists site that outlined their 'new' (issued in 2002) recommendations for thyroid screening. I got NOWHERE. They wouldn't authorize anything more than just the TSH, which is next to useless by itself. They didn't know, and apparently didn't want to know, that their standards were YEARS out of date.
The 'new' normal range is narrower than the old, but it's still too broad. Most people tend to feel best when their TSH is around 1.0. So if you clock in at 2.9, you're still within range and can feel like crap. Get copies of your lab results. Minimal thyroid testing should include TSH, free T3 and free T4.
When you supplement with iodine, it's important to take the companions in the protocol. You'll need vitamin C (2000 mg minimum), selenium 200 mcg, magnesium 400 mg, unrefined salt 1/2 tsp per day or more, ...I might've left something out. The breastcancerchoices.org site has the list and their sales of iodoral support their iodine research project. It's safe to assume that you're iodine deficient. There's no need to test first unless you have an abundance of finances and can afford to get a baseline.
It also is becoming increasing apparent that having your bromide levels tested is just as important as having your iodine levels tested. Iodine is a halide, and so is chlorine, flouride, and bromine. Bromine is very prevalent in everyday life. It's used in fire retardents. Anytime you have dust in your house, which is virtually every second of every day, you are inhaling bromine. It's in our electronics, carpets, mattresses, fabrics. All the halides compete for the same receptors and it can take a very long time to reach saturation.
Your dose will depend on you. There will come a point when the detox symptoms arrive, and they vary quite a bit. For me, it's really stinky urine and armpits. There's no point in getting too ambitious with it all because your liver has to dispose of everything the detox puts into your bloodstream. Sometimes people have to improve their liver function. I wasn't having uncomfortable detox, but I wasn't having any improvement either for a long time. I finally got to feeling better after following Dr Sandra Cabot's liver cleansing diet.
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Hello all. Hope you are doing well. I was diagnosed with Hyperthyroid after my son was born and it progressively got worse even with medication. I had mine removed in January, one month before being diagnosed with BC. Go figure. I am on Synthroid now and they are still adjusting the dose. They keep saying that I am still slightly hyperthyroid with the meds so another adjustment will be in the works in a few months. Any suggestions on natural ways to regulate thyroid hormone when you dont have one? Thanks for any input.
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I was on synthorid for about 8 years and my cholesterol was always above 240. I recently switched to Armour and it has gone down 50 points to the normal range. I've been going to an acupuncturist who has been helping me cleanse the liver because of the rads that I had but I really think switching to Armour was one of the reasons that the numbers were lower. Armour also has the T3 & T4.
I also do vit and watch what I eat but I did that before switching the meds.
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Thanks ladies....
Vivre, which book are you referring to? I looked on Amazon and it seems he has written a few. My birthday's coming up and I have a "wish list" started
, I will add that to the list!Springtime. I will definitely check out the website. I have seen you all talk about this Dr. Flechas but didn't know who everyone was referring to.
Althea, wow, I appreciate all the info. I had my TSH check years ago. Then a couple years ago I was complaining to my doc about symptoms and he said, "It's common for docs to only do the TSH, we need to check for free T3 and T4, that will give us the real picture." So I'm thinking...Ok, this guy must know what he's talking about! This was a couple of years ago. About 6 months ago, I had my naturalpath do a saliva work up. She is a nurse practitioner. She is also the one who prescribes my BHRT. She has spent over 20 years as an NP, divided up between integrative medicine, OBGYN, family practice and occupational medicine and she believes in treating with both allopathic and integrative methods. Thyroid and BHRT are two of the things she lists as inclusive in her practice and she's open minded whenever I suggest something so she seems like a good choice for me but how do you really know??
I will try to get the results of those. I have no idea what the numbers mean but hopefully, you all can interpret for me. It's interesting that you get detox with iodine....hmmmm, have a lot to learn!
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Jen, you need to join the yahoo group forum. We have the link around here somewhere. You will learn a lot there. The moderator is a thyroid cancer survivor and she started the group to help others learn about iodine use. Also check out her website, http://iodine4health.com/ and stopthethyroidmadness. They are both full of incredible information.
The book everyone bc survivor absolutely must read is "Iodine, why you need it and why you can't live without it", by Dr. David Brownstein. He also has some great videos. I have more on my website if you want to pm me and I will send you some links.
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Vivre - Thanks for the info. I will check that out.
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I bought some "pink" un-refined sea salt which comes from the Andes mountains. I know that we are supposed to use celtic sea salt to detox when taking iodine but remember reading something about pink sea salt as well. Will it work as well? Is there a difference btwn the two or is the important thing that it be unrefined sea salt that matters?
Terri
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I was diagnosed with Breast Cancer in June of 2010, and in my PET scan after surgery and chemo, a thyroid nodule was discovered - which turned out to be cancer. They are suggesting I take out my whole Thyroid even though the nodule is very small,b/c of the fact that this is my second cancer. I am worried about the effects of the Thyroid hormones, not to mention the fact that I now have two primary cancers, and do not know what that means.
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How do you detox with salt?
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eandomom - you can take a natural thyroid hormone that is not a synthetic drug. This is called desecrated thyroid hormone. Like Armours and Nature-Throid. I take the later. I took synthroid (a synthetic drug) for many years. But once I had BC, I questioned everything and became picky about drugs vs. natural things. Just wanted to mention this to you in case it helps.
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I believe there is a connection between breast cancer and low iodine levels. There is a body of evidence that supports this hypothesis. You can read and link to papers on this topic from this link http://thatcrazypharmacist.com/?p=196 . I hope the info is helpful.0
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I think there is a lot of truth in this post, and details you'd have to work hard to find on your own. Bromine and FLUORIDE both compete with iodine for positions in the thyroid molecule, and they usually win - especially if you are iodine deficient. It's hypothesized that this leads to thyroid test results that look 'ok' but which are measuring thyroid molecuoes that may not work correctly. Tou can find more info at http://thatcrazypharmacist.com/?p=196 .
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ThatCrazyPharmacist ~ Before anyone jumps on you for promoting your own website (technically not allowed & often evokes hostility here), I just want to say I took a quick peek at it and am anxious to read more. I'm glad you found BCO and shared your thoughts about iodine. Some of your other articles (like the one on spices) look extremely interesting, as well. Deanna
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CrazyPharmacist
We agree with you about iodine deficiency and breast cancer. And your references are great .
BUT - what is your pharmacy and name? You seldom see websites by professionals who don't give their full names.
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Yep. I don't do bromide or flouride now. Finally my iodine loading test was up to 89%. Oh, and the Magnesium, Vit C and ATP Cofactors for absorption....
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Interesting article...thought provoking for me.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james47.htm
There is strong evidence that iodine lack predisposes to breast cancer. One out of seven women in the U.S. has deficiency of iodine proven by urine iodine screening tests (urine I less than 50 ug/L). This is the same incidence for breast cancer seen in U.S. women. Without bothering to check urine for iodine, physicians visited by a woman with a goiter or symptoms of hypothyroidism are routinely prescribing thyroid hormone therapy.
Hintze et al[2] compared the results of 400ug/L of Iodine with 150ug of T4 (synthyroid) for 8 months and then four months after stopping therapy. The results clearly favored iodine therapy. Both treatments led to similar suppression in the size of the goiter. However, four months later the size of the thyroid had returned to pre-treatment levels in the group treated with T4 hormone. The group who had received iodine therapy continued to have normal sized thyroid glands four months after therapy was stopped. Several investigators have concluded that iodine lack is a probable cause for breast cancer in women.[3] [4] [5] [6] [7]
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Ooh, another good one, barry!
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