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Welcome to the club, Holli. I also turned down Tamoxifen 4 years ago, and I know what a tough decision it is to make. I heard it all, from "you are playing with your life" to worse. But you are in the right place, you will be receiving all the positive vibes, all the complete information, and you will soon be feeling as great as I do.....
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Deanna: I am so sorry to hear about your friend. And I know what you mean by saying what you said (Traditional medicine totally failed this woman, and sadly, there will never be one mention of it.). That's exactly right, I totally agree, but I am sure your heart is still very, very heavy....
Spring, Merilee, Deni: Thinking of you all through this. Here also: sending more positive vibes your way.
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Deni, it's great to hear an update from you... so glad it went so well!!
Girls, I posted on the DCIS forum but thought I'd update here too... I got my pathology back from Wednesday's quadrantectomy. My surgeon had warned that with such a huge area (he removed 8cm x 6.8cm x 5.1cm -- I seriously didn't know my whole breast was even that big) that there was likely to be an invasive component, but thank God, there isn't... so I guess my confirmed diagnosis is still DCIS!
He didn't get clean margins though so I'm going to have to go in for a re-excision. I hope that's not as big a deal as the quadrantectomy was.
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Welcome home, Deni!
I'm glad you're back where we can keep an eye on you.
Is your hub still on painkillers? I ask because serious painkiller constipation has snuck up on me twice.
Let us know how he's doing and take care of yourself.
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Crunchy - Congrats on your good news (it would have better news if you didn't have to have the re-excision!) I actually had 2 re-excisions after my original lumpectomy. The first re-excision was a breeze and much easier than the lumpectomy. After my second one, however, I developed a huge hematoma. My oncologist said that it could have been avoided had they used a simple drain. Just a heads up that you may want to ask your doctor about.
Anom - yes, he is still on pain killers. He is in lots of pain and is now wishing he had pushed to stay in the hospital an extra night. When he was there, he just wanted to come home! It seems like much of the pain he is experiencing at this point is from gas buildup. They have him taking colace 3x per day as well. Any suggestions?
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So good to see your post, Deni, and to know that your hubby's surgery is behind him. Here's hoping his recovery continues to be as amazing as it sounds like it was from Day 1 to Day 2, and continued prayers for a nice, clean pathology report. (((Hugs))) to you.
Holli ~ Welcome, and try not to feel overwhelmed. Whether or not you take Tamox is a decision you can continue to re-visit as you learn more. It's not like you have to decide by a certain deadline and can never change your mind, although I suspect the more you research and learn, the most confidant you will be foregoing it.
I wonder if Spring is in recovery yet??? Deanna
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Deni! YAY!!! So glad hubby is home and all went well! We love you!
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Deni, if he isn't moving his bowels the Colace may not be enough. I finally had to take a Senna herbal laxative tablet (available at any drug store) with each super Vicodin in order to keep my bowels from stoppiing. My friend who is a nurse got impacted bowels after her abdominal surgery painkillers because she kept being "absolutely sure" she would go the next day and then the next day and then the next day...
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Deni: so glad that your hubby is over the surgery and back home. Still sending good vibes his way for good results.
And Spring of course we are thinking of you and waiting to hear how you are.
Holli: welcome to this thread. I had planned to take tamoxifen and then found out I could nto for medical reasons....so I am trying natural methods. I have found an integrative doctor who is working with me.
And to all you gals, hope you have had a nice day.
Mandy
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Yeah, so far, no movement. And, he is starting to feel it. I'll go get him some Senna tomorrow. Thanks!
It is so nice to be back home you guys. I missed you over the last couple of days! Funny how dependent I have become on checking in here and all of you. It's really nice!
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Deni-glad to finally hear from you, that all went well. We will keep praying for a speedy recovery.
Julia-It was great to hear that there was no invasive cancer found. It is tough to have to go in for another surgery, but hopefully they will get good margins next time. Keep the faith!
Thinking or you too Spring. Hope you are doing well too.
Welcome Holli! Hope we can help you find your way through all the information out there. It does seem overwhelming, but as crunchy says, overwhelmed really does eventually lead to empowerment. The more we learn, the more we feel we can take the bull by the horns and run with it.
Onward warriors! Let's get everyone out of the hospital and back in shape for the prevention convention. I am working on a great weekend and will let you all know when I have it planned. I sure hope you can all come! If you live in a warm clime, you might want to ask for a warm coat for Christmas.
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Yay Deni! Good News so far! Hope all is well with you too Spring!!! Crunchy...Great News that it is DCIS with no invasion. Sorry about the margins. I had drains every time except this one. I think he is trying new things to hopefully avoid infection. Hope I don't get a hematoma. That might be the only thing I haven't had yet.
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Hi Ya'll-I feel like I must have been living under a rock. I had no idea how comprimised our food supply was. It's truly frightening. I guess I wont be going back to work for the CDFA. My ethics prohibit this... I am recommending these 3 DVD's. I got them from Netflix. I love Netflix! First is "King Corn"-it's an easy watch. 2nd is, "The Beautiful Truth". A documentary done by a homeschooled 14 year old looking for a cure for cancer. Easy to watch and informative. Lastly is "The Future of Food". Here's the prologue:
Before compiling your next grocery list, you might want to watch this eye-opening documentary, which sheds light on a shadowy relationship between agriculture, big business and government. By examining the effects of biotechnology on the nation's smallest farmers, director Deborah Koons Garcia reveals the unappetizing truth about genetically modified foods: You could unknowingly be serving them for dinner.
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deni, I hope the pain for your dh subsides quickly. I had a freaky complication after my surgery that made me feel sicker than sick. The intestines deflate under anasthesia, and if they don't 'wake up' afterwards, it's called an ileus. Not only could I not poop, but I couldn't keep food down either. It hardly ever happens, but it's something to be aware of just in case he's five days out and still suffering.
julia, thanks for the update. For all the time I've spent here, I'm sort of embarassed to admit I know hardly anything about dcis. This section is where I spend most of my time, so thanks for double posting your update. Getting a mixed bag seems to be your theme -- glad it's nothing more than dcis, sucks you have to get more surgery.
Glad you found us holli. Welcome to the natural girls.
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makingway, GREAT dvd recommendations... also The World According to Monsanto is a MUST-watch in the same vein. I used to think I couldn't afford organic... well, I do what I have to to MAKE myself afford organic (and our grocery bill actually is less than it used to be now that I avoid processed/packaged stuff).
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Couldn't wait to share this wonderful email I just got from one of Beverly's (Spring's) friends ~
Hi everyone -- Beverly went into surgery at 1pm today and was done by 5:30 tonight. They weren't able to get a network connection at the hospital, so they asked me to send word to everyone. I talked to Beverly -- she's doing great and is up and walking around already! She said she feels great! They check out of the hospital Weds and will be back online. Yay! So glad this is behind them now!
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Wow. Great news about Spring. She is just amazing. Walking around so soon after the surgery!
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Deni
Does the Doc say it is ok for him to get up and walk a bit? This may help. I will keep sending positive light.
Crunchi- SO SO glad to hear nothing invasive. Do you have a date for your second surgery yet?
I get my Path reports this morning- Please hold me in the light as well
This cancer crap really sucks
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Morning all! My DH is up and around a bit more today. The doctors did tell him to walk around a bit and he has been doing as much as he can. He looks a bit like Quasimodo at this point, but feeling and looking better each day. I told him about all of the positive energy you guys are sending him. He is very touched and thanks you from the bottom of his heart.
Thanks Althea, I am going to get him the Senna laxative that Anom recommended today to hopefully get things moving for him.
Merilee - my fingers, toes and eyes are crossed and we are sending strong, positive vibes for good news on your pathology results today.
I am anxious to ask the surgeon at my husband's follow up appointment what he would recommend for prevention. Columbia has an entire Complementary Urology department. He is not a part of it, but I am curious to see what his view is.
Here is an interesting article about the progress in genetic testing on tumors to target treatment therapies from Life Extension (I am so glad I joined - so much great info!)
Deanna - thanks for sharing the update on Spring! So good to hear things went well for her.
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I guess we are still the Get Well soon(naturally of course) thread until we get everyone up and running(or walking) again. And speaking of getting things going-Vit C and mag does the trick. They have it in a powder form at vitamin shoppe. It tastes like bitter lemons so you have to add OJ or something to get it down, or really pucker up. My DC recommended it to me as a colon cleanse, but I got my uncle to use it after his surgery and he was all glogged. My DC told me to put a heaping TSP in a glass of water, repeat for the next couple of hours until you erupt. It works!
GET WELL SOON EVERYONE! Fingers crossed for merillee.
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Merilee! Please keep us posted, we are sending prayers!!
Thanks for the update on Spring!! hope she is online again soon!!! Big hugs!
Welcome Holli! You will love it here!!
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I'm reading OMNIVORE'S DILEMMA right now. Gives me chills. Need to get the Monsanto dvd from NetFlicks. How on earth can one boycott Monsanto? Their products and by-products permeate everything--even the organic stuff, if you check the labels! Go raw, I guess, but that's not an option for me.
I'm off to craigslist to find a local, grass fed cow to share with a few friends. One that hasn't spent it's youth in a feedlot eating thrity two pounds of corn mush, antibiotics, and meds (per day!) to trick their stomachs into accepting all this corn that they were never meant to eat.
Anne
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Deanna, thanks for the excellent news on Spring, and YIPHEEE!
Deni, I am so happy to hear that everything went well for your husband, but sorry for his pain. Hopefully, that's going better, already.
Crunchy: this is really great news, and keep up the good work, while Merilee will keep receiving all the good vibes from everybody here.
AnneW, you wrote: "How on earth can one boycott Monsanto?" Please let me know if you find out: I have been trying to do that for years. Guess you are aware of the Monsanto-induced series of suicides of poor farmers in India, who lost everything because of Monsanto.
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Deni, glad your husband is coming along. I also would recommend walking to help get rid of the gas. I used to work on a surgical floor, and gas was always a problem with any abdominal surgeries, for which walking was the best treatment. We also give Mylicon to help reduce the gas.
Julia, hope your next surgery is simple with minimal tissue removed.
Merilee, I'm praying that your path report comes back better than expected.
I've been advising quite a few women lately from other forums to come check out this one, sounds like they could benefit for many different reasons.
As for this whole Monsanto, frankenfood thing, I agree, what can we do? It has to start from infancy, all through childhood and teenage years. Many of our kids are raised to eat McDonald's and all kinds of other crap, and I see parties where they have the adult food out, and then the kid food, usually chicken nuggets, fries, and other processed crap, with pretty much no vegetables. I'm glad that some change is beginning to be mandated regarding school cafeteria food. And recently, I saw something in the paper about a woman who sent in a tower of fruit chunks to be eaten with toothpicks, instead of the usual birthday cupcakes, which some schools are now banning. And her son's classmates loved it! Change is hard to accept, but after repeated exposure, kids will get used to anything new.
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How on earth can one boycott Monsanto? Their products and by-products permeate everything--even the organic stuff, if you check the labels!
I know, it's sickening, isn't it? After seeing the Monsanto DVD, I decided then and there... we're going to start growing our own food. I am NOT a gardener by any means... I manage to kill "unkillable" houseplants... but there is just no other way. I started by growing some tomatoes this summer, and amazingly, they survived and tasted good (LOL!).
I started composting in May and by spring, I'll have fabulous, rich compost to grow organic veggies in. I've also been planting blueberry and blackberry bushes and they are doing well... next I want to plant some fruit trees and possibly some nut trees too (I have no idea what will grow here in Georgia and need to find all that out).
It's crazy, I've done a total 180-degrees from my old convenience food, eat-on-the-go life. I bought a book on backyard homesteading (it shows how much of your own food you can grow from 1/10 of an acre, on up!) As crazy as it sounds, I'd even love to have a couple of chickens (for organic free-range eggs!) someday and maybe even a dairy goat (if I ever decide to consume dairy again).
In the meantime, there are two organic farms near me where I'm buying produce (one of them lets you sign up for a big box per week of whatever that week's harvest is -- only $25 for a huge box!). Anne, one of the farm's website is www.grassfedcow.com -- I've thought about buying a deep-freeze so I could buy part of one of those happy, hormone-free, freely grazing, grass-fed cows and probably some chicken too! (Darn it, I can't think too much about the pretty cows and chickens themselves or I can't stomach eating them!!)
Anyway... this gardening thing has been a major turning-point in my life. (I keep meaning to write a post to share on what organic gardening has taught me about infertility and cancer!) I guess I always thought it would be totally time-consuming and not worth the effort, and HARD WORK.
Weirdly, it's turned out to be one of the best things I've ever done. (Like I said, I'm only growing tomatoes as well as some herbs, but I've planted a lot of ornamentals this year just to see if I could hack it.) It is UNBELIEVABLY satisfying and relaxing. I am a lazy procrastinator, and I hate working (LOL!), yet I find myself eager to get out and spend some time caring for my plants. It's not "work" at all!
I used to have to make several trips to the grocery store to pick up tomatoes for a salad, etc., then hope I would use them all before they went bad.
Now, it's great to be able to just step out on the front porch and pick gorgeous, delicious, vine-ripened tomatoes and sprigs of fresh herbs. I can't WAIT to be able to do that next year with lettuce and kale and zucchini and eggplant and so much more!!
Gardening is de-stress-ifying and a great excuse to get out and soak up some cancer-fighting sunshine.
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Makingway: these DVDs from netflix sound so good....I'll try and look for them, for sure.
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I see parties where they have the adult food out, and then the kid food, usually chicken nuggets, fries, and other processed crap, with pretty much no vegetables.
I know... we have friends with little girls aged 4 and 7. EVERY time we went out to dinner with them (dozens of times), they ordered the same thing for the girls: French fries and macaroni & cheese. EVERY TIME! (Oh, and Sprite... being "good parents" they at least didn't want them drinking caffeine with their high-fructose corn syrup after 8pm.)
We suggested a healthy seafood restaurant one time, which had a kids' menu with items like grilled salmon and green beans. Um, the parents had bought Happy Meals before hand and brought them in for the girls to eat.
(We have stopped seeing this family socially... it was too hard to watch them destroy their girls' health.) This is the norm. I see it everywhere I go. Not to mention the epidemic addiction to being hypnotized by television and video games. I'm not against either, but kids are spending HOURS every day on these addictions!!
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I love to start my own garden plants from seeds. I have been doing this for year, and one of the biggest seed producers was right in my back yard. Well, guess what. They were bought out by Monsanto. In fact, now Monsanto has a virtual monopoly on the worlds seeds supply. They even hold farmers hostage by making it illegal for farmers to save their seeds, claiming the seeds are patented. Can you believe this. This forces farmers to buy new seeds everyyear and most of them are GMO. Monsanto is even trying to close down all those seed saver sharing groups. And since Monsanto now has the big bucks to lobby both sides of Congress, they continue to get laws passed that gives them even more power. This is one evil company, and I am a believer in capitalism. But I am against any monopolies and we have a monopoly with Monsanto. Not only do they kill us with their GMO crap, then they make the drugs we are told we need to cure us. It is sick sick sick!
I went to a talk at the Health Freedom Expo last spring. One of the speakers was the scientist who has made it his life's work to fight Monsanto. He has been threatened with his life, but will not give up. His website is www.responsibletechnology.org
Check it out and get involved. He said that if only 10% of Americans demand better food, it will cost companies millions and they will be forced to change and offer us safer food. The best way to fight this is with supply and demand. We need to spread the word and educate everyone we know on this. Hmmmm I wonder if he will come to the preventionconvention. Won't hurt to ask!
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They even hold farmers hostage by making it illegal for farmers to save their seeds, claiming the seeds are patented. Can you believe this. This forces farmers to buy new seeds everyyear and most of them are GMO.
I know, they make me SO ANGRY!!!!!! I heard about a farmer in Canada whose crops were contaminated by Monsanto's Franken-corn. What had happened is that Monsanto seeds either flew in with the wind, or a bird pooped some of the GM seed, so his crop was contaminated.
Well, Monsanto SUED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for growing "their" corn!!!!!!!!!!! Can you imagine Monsanto ruining small farmers, bankrupting them, because THEY contaminated their crops?? UGH, it's madness.
There are some heirloom seed companies... I hope they all haven't been ruined yet... I need to buy a large stock of heirloom seeds and then do what you're doing, save seeds year after year.
How are they going to shut down seed saving groups?????? Just the thought of them wanting to do that is diabolical!!!!
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Hi everyone--
A few pages back you all were discussing getting a supplement of Vit D with Niacin--I believe this is the B vitamin that you need to request a "flush free" version of --or risk getting red, flushed skin.
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