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I just read that calcium D-glucarate prevents re absorption of estrogen from the gastrointestinal tract.
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seaotter wrote:
I just read that calcium D-glucarate prevents re absorption of estrogen from the gastrointestinal tract.
seaotter - does this mean that, if we take calcium D glucarate, we can eat phtyoestrogens and not worry about the negative parts of the debate ?
Has anyone heard from Deni ?
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OT from any conversation currently going on here, but this has been weighing heavily on my mind for a couple of days, and I just wanted to share it.
On Friday, my Aug 08 Chemo Group lost one of its steadfast members -- BetteLou68. Like FlaLady, Bette's bc was Triple Negative, but unlike FlaLady, Bette went an entirely traditional route, including some tx @ JH (including a PARP trial). She survived just 16 mos. from her dx.
Traditional medicine totally failed this woman, and sadly, there will never be one mention of it. It just makes me so sad that people can jump all over us when we research and choose an alternative or complementary or intergrative route for some or all of our tx, and yet no one will ever criticize the traditional treatment Bette received as worthless or failing her.
I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know if a different approach would have made any difference in her case. Perhaps it would have shortened her time. I obviously don't know. But it just bothers me that here is a perfect example of traditional medicine (which I had and would repeat again) not doing anything to save her or even extend her life a significant amount, and yet people are so quick to mock or criticize us for wanting more.
Okay... thank you for listening... had to get that off my chest & heart... Deanna
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Dear Deanna, I'm SO sorry to hear about the loss of BetteLou68. How grievous and tragic to lose a dear sister to this dread disease... whether they chose to go the conventional or alternative treatment route (or both). I thought the same thing when I read of Stefanie Spielman's death (NFL star's wife)... she did the perfect conventional medicine course of treatment, yet suffered for years with five different bouts of cancer that kept coming back... yet I knew no one would ever dare suggest that perhaps that aggressive conventional treament she had at age 31 could possibly have led to all the recurrences/metastases later on (or at best, failed her and the loving husband and four young children she left behind).
Big hugs to you as you grieve the loss of your friend.......
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Deanna, I am sure your heart was so heavy as you wrote your post, my heart aches for our lost sister......God, I friggin hate this disease.
L
ox
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Deanna, I'm so sorry to hear of BetteLou's passing. I totally get what you're saying too. We catch so much flack for believing in clean diets, for looking for alternatives to current treatments. Someone always seems to point out how they knew someone who went 'the alternative route' (as if there's just one way to do that!), and that [poor misguided] bc sister is no longer with us. Welllll, following all the recommended treatments doesn't always work either!!
I finally finished the China Study, and toward the end, Campbell recounts the stories of two doctors who believed in the healing power of whole foods, plant-based diets. One doctor worked for many years in California healing heart patients with his recommended diet. According to the author, that doctor never received a referral from any of the heart surgeons right there in the same hospital. Nearly 20 years he worked there and not ONE surgeon sent a patient to this man for a second opinion. Then there was another doctor who became a believer in healing patients with whole foods, plant-based diet later into his career. Suddenly, he was on the outside looking in. I couldn't help but notice that these doctors met with the same rude hostility that we frequently encounter with our own doctors when we ask questions.
It's frightening to me how the status quo manages to persist. It's built on a giant mound of lies, and lots of people believe those lies.
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Deanna, my heart is heavy for you on the loss of your friend. You are so right, she was failed and nobody is screaming it from the roof tops.
In New Orleans. My stage 2 reconstruction was moved from 7AM tomorrow to 12 noon. Will take ~5 hours. Your good thoughts, prayers, ju-ju appreciated!!!
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Juju on the way, Springy! We will send healing vibes down to New Orleans. Turn on your juju receiver! xox anom
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Spring!! Good luck tomorrow! Big healing juju's coming your way!!!
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Anyone heard from DENI?
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Just a bit off topic here, but have any of you watched the new TV show "Meet The Natives"? I think its on the travel channel. Anyhoo, it started last night, it was so fasinating to watch 5 native tribesmen from a tiny island, visiting the US. The reason I am commenting on it is, that they visited a farm and the farmer was feeding his cows a mix of God knows what, and the tribesmen (through a translator) asked "Wouldn't your meat taste better if you let your cows eat grass"? and then they saw the farmer injected the animals with antibiotics etc, and they asked "Are you not worried what this may do to your bodies"? (they looked horrified!) - anyway, here were these 5 men from the middle of nowhere, and they totally got it! It almost made me cry!
L
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I think it is disgusting what food providers are getting away with. They have poisoned one in seven women and the world just says "yeh, it's all about the money"
Don't get me on that soap box
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That's really interesting, Lorraine. I wonder how many other people even picked up on it, or simply chalked it off to the fact that they're "natives," so just ignorant about our scientific "advances." Do you happen to know when the next show airs? I definitely want to catch it.
Spring, big (((HUGS))) and prayers for you for tomorrow. You're going to be one hot mama when they're finished with you!! With 5 hrs. of surgery, it sounds like you won't be reporting in for awhile. Can your DH let us know how you did? Deanna
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Lorraine, I would love to see that. The more I learn about the poisons used in the creation of our food and "food product," the more sickened and angry I become.
I remember when I was a kid, I was disturbed by how frequently I'd hear on the news that such-and-such was discovered to cause cancer. I'd hear people dismiss it, saying things like "Next week, they'll announce that apples cause cancer... you can't live your life based on some rat in a lab getting cancer because he ate 100x his own weight in saccharine." It led me to believe that you really have no idea WHAT causes cancer so you may as well eat anything approved by the FDA.
That's exactly what they WANT people to think!! The answer is so simple... eat WHOLE foods as close to their natural state as possible. That means grown without chemicals. It means if you eat beef or poultry or dairy, make sure it comes from a cow or chicken that led a life as cows and chickens are MEANT to live... grazing freely, not imprisoned in a cage, force-fed with foods they were never meant to eat and injected with growth hormone.
I was debating a guy on an organic gardening forum... the guy was claiming that if food were grown without chemicals or genetic engineering, beef would cost $40 a pound and most of the world would starve. Can you believe?!!! First of all, if beef cost $40 a pound but were HEALTHY, from happy cows who grazed freely on natural grasses, then it'd be a lot better for us and the price would force us to eat smaller (healthier) amounts.
And as for the world starving if food were grown without chemicals? That's just laughable. Sure, maybe the Monsantos of the world, the Big Food business that grows Frankencorn by dousing it with Roundup every few weeks, maybe THEY would go out of business (yay!), but that would open the door for smaller farms to start up and stay in business. Or gee, maybe less-well-off countries could go back to growing their own food locally, instead of being forced by Monsanto to grow Frankenfood and trade for all the rest. What a concept!!
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The whole show really touched my heart. Its on Sunday evenings I am not sure what time, I think around 7pm here in CA, its on the travel channel, so I am sure you can find when it is on in your area. Its a definate "must watch"!!
L
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Good evening ladies,
Hope everyone is well.
Deni- You and DH are in my thoughts and prayers.
Deanna- Soooo sorry to hear about your friend. It is soooo sad to lose a fellow BC Sister.
Spring-(((Big Big Hug))) and strong healing vibes are coming your way
I hope everyone has a good evening.
Jenny.
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Deni-hope our prayers are answered.
Julia and Merillee-glad to see you are here with us. I hope you are not in much pain and your recovery is going well.
Spring-tomorrow it is all for you. We are with you.
Fairy, it really is amazing that people living in a primitive tribe can see what most Americans cannot see, that something needs to be done about the way we produce food.
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Julia-the natural girls thread is for those of us who have been sent to our own corner because we did not play by the rules. LOL. We tend to go off on a lot of tangents. Right now, we are in the power of prayer mode, as a few in our group are undergoing surgeries. Please join us and feel the support of a wonderful group of women.Warning- it will probably take you a week to read the thread. It has thousands of post! But you will pick up all kinds of little tidbits of information. Hey, maybe we should just publish the whole thread and sell it as a book????
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Speaking of not following rules -- I made plans just today to break one.
I received an invitation from my local bc support group to attend our annual Christmas potluck. They meet weekly, and I attended frequently til last year. This year they're revamping some of our traditions and there will be a decorated tree. Each member of the group has been asked to bring a pink ornament and we're to write our name on our ornament.
I'm going to SINK THE PINK! LOL! I found a big green ball for my ornament! It's sort of like a mosaic made of shiny green glass. When I saw it, I was reminded of something I read years ago, how a beautiful vase could get broken, but the pieces could be reassembled into something even more beautiful. That will be my ornament, surrounded by pink.
The only time I really like pink is when I'm visualizing healing light, which I'm sending to Spring in big buckets. May you have nothing but smooth sailing tomorrow Spring. Love you!
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Thanks for the info, Patty...as always I learned something new!
Deanna....so sorry to hear about Bette....so sad.
L...wouldn't it be typical if opposition was spurred to the awful diets of the animals we eat because of 5 guys who came from the middle of nowhere and pointed out "the emperor has no clothes"! The people who need to be paying attention might actually pay more heed to innocents from afar than from all of us yelling as loud as we can! Let us hope many others saw Meet The Natives.
Best Vibes coming to you, Spring...I'm not sure what stage 2 recon is, but 5 hours sounds extensive. All my best wishes and prayers that your surgery goes as planned and you have a speedy recovery.
Deni...still sending you and your husband my best vibes for quick recovery.
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Althea-- We need to create a Pink Repellant of some kind.
Deni-- Thinking about you and DH and hoping 2010 will make you blossom with health!
Angee-- Welcome to the group. You've stumbled onto some, smart, well-informed women.
Fairy-- please remind us when that show is coming on again. I love seeing how other cultures reason. Does anyone remember the show where humanitarian aid workers came into a foreign village and after a while, the village women asked the American women, "why do you all have bandages on your breasts?" "How do you get blood flow to your organs?"
A lot to learn. I don't think the American women realized bras were a relatively recent fad.
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Wishing you all the best Spring - Hope your surgery goes well and I'll be thinking of you and sending healing vibes. Deni, hope everything went well and still praying for your DH. Fairy, what a great show, I'll have to see if we get it here. Amazing how other cultures can see things so clearly and how ours just doesn't "get it".....
Terri
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the village women asked the American women, "why do you all have bandages on your breasts?"
Okay, this made me HOWL laughing... too funny!!
Thinking about you, Spring!! Hope you and Deni will update as soon as you can! xoxo
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Deni, I am still praying for you and hubby and we are all anxious to hear from you!
Spring, I will be praying for you. 5 hours
Deanna, that is so sad about Bette. I just read in our newspaper that a 33 yr girl just died of bc. It just sickens me when I hear someone dying of cancer. I feel so bad for the family also. I watched my Dad die of cancer. Watching and waiting is absolutely the most horrible thing.
L, I can't wait to watch that show. I read recently that we should not be wearing bras because it constricts the lymph system in the girls. I have been letting mine jiggle!!! I was all about not wearing a bra in 70's now I have come full circle, lol.
Love to all, Patty
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One of my August 08 chemo sisters just posted this possibly promising article:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/husband-searches-cancer-cure-wifes-death/story?id=9212102&page=1
I'll have to Google the doc's name and see if there's more info' out there about which hormones he's researching. Deanna
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Deanna, I think you will be touch to know that on the "power of prayer" thread, the girls have been praying for Bette's family.
Patty
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I have found where I belong. Wanted to introduce myself. My name is Holli and I was diagnosed in July of this year. I am currently doing chemo, but don't want to do Tamoxifin. I met with an ND last week and I am going to meet with another local person who does various nutritious testing and works with a compounding pharmacy. Overwhelmed is what I feel about it all. Thanks for your input!
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Hi, Holli - welcome to our little group! I am resolved not to do Tamoxifen too and have been reading a lot (mainly here!) about getting hormones balanced naturally. Balancing hormones the natural way worked for me when I was trying to conceive a baby when medicine didn't... I can't imagine it'd be any different now that I'm fighting cancer! Anyway, yes, it's overwhelming at first, but there are some great threads here about hormones, various nutrients, etc... it doesn't take long before "overwhelmed" changes into "empowered"!
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Hello you wonderful, beautiful ladies! I just got onto my computer and am trying to catch up with this thread. The amazing thoughts, prayers and wow, even lit candles! Came through loud and clear. I brought my husband home today. He is bruised up and in some pain, but the surgeon said that everything went extremely well. No complications. No visible sign of any spread (which of course doesn't tell us much - but at least it tells us that there are no horrible mets in there at this point). I am exhausted!
We got to the hospital at 5:30 to check in and they took him in for surgery at 7:30. Things went amazingly smoothly. The surgeon came out to talk to me at about 11:00 - just when I was starting to get worried and very antsy. They let me go in to recovery to see him about an hour later but only for a few minutes. He looked awful! His face was swollen and puffy and he was in excruciating pain. They were giving him dilaudid every 15 minutes. They let me in again after a couple of hours and then finally released him to his room. It was a loonnnnggg day.
This morning, I got to the hospital by 7 am and he looked MUCH better. He got up and was able to sit shortly after. Once he was up sitting, they had him walk around a bit and eat. When it was apparent that he could tolerate all of this well, they said he could go home. Amazing isn't it! One day after a radical nephrectomy, he is home.
Anyway, the halo of love that you guys created around him WORKED. I cannot thank you enough. He had lots of people sending him prayers from all corners of the globe. They were received and absorbed. Love you guys!
Spring - hope everything went well with you today. Thinking about you and sending you love and positive healing vibes. Wow, 5 hour surgery - I hope you are out by now and on the road to recovery.
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I have found where I belong. Wanted to introduce myself. My name is Holli and I was diagnosed in July of this year. I am currently doing chemo, but don't want to do Tamoxifin. I met with an ND last week and I am going to meet with another local person who does various nutritious testing and works with a compounding pharmacy. Overwhelmed is what I feel about it all. Thanks for your input!
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