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The PRESS RELEASE on progesterone completely misrepresents the rat study. The researchers are trying to justify marketing an expensive lung cancer drug, Iressa, to suppress progesterone.
Read the title of the ACTUAL article.
read the full study here. http://www.springerlink.com/content/2442385375833472/
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I was premenopausal..the way that I read this is that er/pr is more proliferative than er alone in this subsect.
Why are they studying mamalian cells in vivo if its a lung cancer drug? Thanks for the counterpoint lucy88.
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I agree with Lucy, read the whole article. I find this over and over. When I read the whole story, it is often much different than the headlines. Too often the studies are so slanted or involve such a small number of people it would seem inconsequential. It is the same thing with polls. CBS touted a poll last week that 92% of people loved Obama's State of the Union speech. When you read the fine print, you found out that only 500 people were polled, online, and they were all CBS viewers. Hardly a cross section of opinion. Yet the poll was broadcast as if it was a big deal.
And the word that stands out as lucy posted is PRESS RELEASE. Who is releasing these studies? Usually they have a ulterior agenda. Progesterone is not a panacea, just as all these hormone blocking drugs are not either. When we cause further INBALANCE in our hormones, that is when we get into trouble. That is why it is important not to do ANY hormone treatments unless you have your hormones tested regularly. This is why I got so mad when my doctor wanted me on arimidex without even looking at my hormone levels. If you choose any hormone treatment, find a doctor to help you monitor it. Hormones are tricky. If you overdo one, the receptors will act as another.
Resveratol is a powerful antioxidant. Getting it from alcohol is defeating the purpose. Alcohol breaks down the same as sugar. Cancer loves sugar. The resveratol comes from the seed and the skins of grapes. The alcohol comes from the fermenting of the sugar in the juices.
The problem with taking a lot of supplements is that you cannot guarantee their potency, absorbability, quality, etc. I have spent the last three years using all sorts of stuff, trying to take this and that because I read this or that. My results were always this and that. When I started to get serious about labels, I found out there are only 2 US companies that follow pharmaceutical standards for manufacturing, Usana and Douglas Labs. There are 2 Canadian companies too. Douglas Labs makes private label blends, which are sold mostly through doctors. I am just not messing around with this and that anymore. I have been able to cut down on the number of pills I take substantially because they are included in the Usana combinations in the amounts that are balanced. If we take more than our bodies can use, we just dump it out. Plus, if there is any question I have about any ingredient, Usana has a forum called "ask the scientist" where I can go to get any question answered by scientists who study every issue we have and discuss here. They will break down the fact from fiction on everything from soy to resveretrol. It just sets my mind as ease that this is something I no longer have to worry about.
While I agree with Victoria, that the best way to get nutrients is from food, it is just not possible for many of us. I live about a thousand miles from the nearest ocean, so we do not have any sea salt air to breathe. And though we have all this farmland in the midwest, it has been so overworked and dumped with chemicals, that I do not even trust that our plants are giving us the nourishment our cells need. And for those who are drinking all those berry juices from the Amazon, I have two concerns. One is that it is depleting the rainforests for the native peoples, and two is that by the time these products get to us, they have lost most of their value, not to mention the cost of harvesting and moving these products. It is best to eat local as much as possible, and most especially learn to grow your own.
I highly recommend that everyone gets a copy of the Nutrisearch Guide to Supplements to see the ratings on over 1500 supplements in North America. This organization is not funded by any company. It was formed by a member of the Canadian parliament who felt it necessary that athletes have a way to know if their supplements were pure, so they would not be disqualified for using banned substances. If anyone wants me to check the guide for ratings for your brand, let me know. Obviously, they cannot test every single supplement on the market, so they mostly evaluate multi's but they do rate some individual products.
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geewhiz,
What you are reading is what the authors are CLAIMING, not what they are demonstating in the lab. We reviewed this article in our local study group.
The authors of the article you mention are the same folks who put rat organoids in a blender with progestins and progesterone last year. When the organs turned red, the researchers claimed that meant "progesterone causes cancer."
The group is now suggesting the $1000 a month lung cancer drug, Iressa, will interfere with progesterone metabolism and therefore cure breast cancer. RU486, the so-called abortion pill, also blocks progesterone but it is too controversial to market. PM me if you want to discuss this further. I don't come here much any more.
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Had heavy cycles for about three years before BC showed up and thyroid problems. So sad that our Dr's only throw meds at you and never treat the WHOLE person.
I am making it my goal to teach my daughter about her body. My mom failed me in that dept. She loved me dearly but she was afraid and/or too embrassed to about talking about being a lady. It wasn't until my dx that she opened up but hey I already knew at that point.
I love Dr. Northrup....
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False information spread often by pharamceutical companies who want to stay rich burns me. Have you guys read that the company that makes Avastin is fighting to keep it on the market for breast cancer, even with all the bad news coming out on it? In fairness to the manufacturer, I will admit, I didn't read the whole article, so I don't know if they actually have a sensible reason, but I tend to doubt it ....
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For any of you Southern CA gals (Fairy, MBJ, Makingway, Mollyann, Lucy, and anyone else who isn't immediately coming to mind)... I was just on UCLA's website getting some support group info' for someone on another thread, and I noticed that the renown integrative oncologist Keith Block is speaking at UCLA tonight! (Darn, I was going to go to that, but forgot to put it on my calendar!) Anyway, here's the info' if any of you see this in time and are interested: http://www.simmsmanncenter.ucla.edu/
Otherwise, if you want to bookmark that site, they should shortly have a video of his presentation up for viewing. Deanna
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Barry, I use Longevinex brand resveratrol. I called the company last Oct. to ask if BC women should take it and they gave me the e-mail of the owner/founder Bill Sardi so I e-mailed him and he answered back and sent me a free box. 1-866-405-4000 If you want his e-mail...PM me and I will be happy to give it to you. I had already researched and decided on that brand, bought some, then stopped taking it after BC diagnosis as wasn't sure if I should. Actually, my old stuff is out of date but I'm finishing it before I buy new.
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Victoria...Thank you for the link...very helpful
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dlb823 ... Interesing Dr. Keith Block is an integrative oncologist who my Dr. McKinney(integrative oncologist) communicates with .... just started reading about him the other day! You are so lucky to be in the vacinity.
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Hey Vivre! I have just a few supplements that I get ... mostly at my NDs office ... it would be great if you could research the manufacturers ... AOR, Douglas Laboratories, Thorne Research
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Thanks dlb823-I didn't see your post until tonight, but thanks for posting it anyway
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I also went through menopause with no wild side effects. I have a few hot flashes but that was it. I had already "lost" my periods due to a hysterectomy at 43 [for fibroids]. I was actually surprised when the oncologist ran the test and proclaimed me "done" with menopause.
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I have to go for a bone density scan on Friday and I'm a bit nervous. I really don't want to be exposed to any more radiation than I have to be. How much radiation do these scans have and do they compare to say , the radiation you would get from an MRI?
The reason my ONC is sending me for this scan is to get a baseline before I start taking Femara. I'm on the fence about taking the Femara. My ONC "suggested" I take it since he doesn't believe in supplements and we've already gone the Tamox route (for 2 months) and that didn't work out for me.
I guess my dilemna is whether or not to expose myself to unnecessary radiation to get a baseline for taking a drug that I may not even end up taking.... stupid huh?
Terri
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Ah Terri... I am sorry you and all of us have to consider so much. .. I have no answer for you.. as I am learning... but wanted to give support.
MBJ and others... I use Now brand supplements and... Solar... I get them all at my local Health food store. Is there something better I can change to?
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I had this afternoon off so I looked up a lot of natural immune boosters and cancer fighting foods. I will be taking something with a lot of these foods in it. I'm tempted to take this and a few other alternative supplemental immune boosters, anti-fungal and more to see if this will rid me of the tumor...at least until the summer, and next June or so be tested again. If the tumor is still there do the surgery. Plus then I'll have a few weeks to recover from surgery. I'm open to surgery...but definately won't do it if the surgeon is unwilling to grant a few of my wishes.
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Terri ~ I've had a DEXAscan, and it's extremely quick -- like maybe 10 mins. Here's a chart I found that shows you the amount of radiation you get (assuming you get it in done at a highly reputable facility), and it's very small.
http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/index.cfm?pg=sfty_xray
I personally would not worry about that amount of radiation, and the way I look at it is -- IF you are Osteopenic, that would not only be an important factor to weigh re. taking Femara, but something you'd want to know about in general. Deanna (PS -- great avatar! I actually wondered if it might be your daughter for a minute!)
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Estepp: Maybe if you go back to your health food store and tell them you are having problems with them and they can recommend something else. I use a variety: Life Extension, Solaray, Jarrow, Source Naturals, and many, many more--all of these are quality products as far as I can tell and have never bothered my stomach like some have in the past. I take my vit B's sublinqually as a multi to avoid stomach problems. Hope this helps
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Deanna: Thank you! I get emails from them because I had my chemo there but I hate being on that side of town at rush hour because the traffic is always so horrible (worked on the West side for years). I will try and check out the video, as I didn't know they made one.
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Deanna....lol ! I never had a daughter (or any children) but thanks for the compliment. It was taken this past NY's Eve, must have been one of my better days.......lol
Also, thank you for the info on X-ray exposures...VERY INTERESTING. After reading the article, I've decided to go ahead with the scan. Like you said, better that I know now if there's any osteopenia in my future - especially if I decide to try out the Femara.
Laura... thank you..............................
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Finally got my internet back after two days of not being able to get anything done. But I did take a long walk in the snow yesterday. It was so eerie. There are almost 200,000 people in my town, and I could walk down the main street during rush hour! (the street was plowed, but the sidewalks were still a mess). Fortunately, my DH bought a good snowblower a few years ago, so I did not have to worry about him shoveling our 100 foot driveway(and I did not have to shovel). We have piles taller that he is, and he is tall! Snow it is not nearly as bad as the worry about the big hurricane headed to Australia. Hope our Aussies sisters will be okay.
Teri-your new pic looks beautiful! I am resolved to not do any scans unless absolutely necessary. I figure they would just want to give me some drug if they see something so I am confident that if I just keep exercising and using my supplements, I will be just as well off. I won't even do dental xrays. My biological dentist uses this niftly little camera, so he does not push the xrays.
Fighter34-glad to see you like Dr. Northrup too, and are teaching your girls. This is a preventable disease. We need to see more young women educated about how to stay healthy.
Estepp-NOW supplements are manufactured near me. They have had some big recalls in the past. I do not trust company with such low standards. Plus they get mediocre ratings in the Nutrasearch Guide. Solarray is rated about the same, 1 or 2 stars out of 5.
Jainey, you need to be more specific if you want the exact rating. Each of those companies have several products tested. Most of the Thorne and AOR products earned a 3. Douglas Labs are all over the place. They have one product that rates a 5 gold star, but the others range from 1-4. The reason I stick to Usana is that every product evaluated has been rated 5. And as I said, because of the combos, I take so many less pills, I am spending the same amount, but getting top quality.
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USANA brand.......... where can I get these? I would LOVe to take less pills in a day.
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Here is more great news about Usana:
http://www.stockhouse.com/News/USReleasesDetail.aspx?n=8042293
SALT LAKE CITY, Feb. 3, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX News Network/ --
USANA Health Sciences, Inc. (NYSE: USNA), a nutritional supplement company, was recently named the #1 Rated Overall Merchant Based on Customer Satisfaction and the #1 Rated Direct Sales Merchant Based on Customer Satisfaction in the 2011 ConsumerLab.com Survey of Vitamin and Supplement Users. ConsumerLab.com, LLC. is a leading provider of independent test results and information.
As I said, I tried all kinds of brands, and did a ton of research before coming over to Usana. I met a Usana associate at the mercury symposium I went to last fall, and started to use the Usana Essentials myself. My bloodwork immediately improved. I need to get it checked again now after a few months on Usana. I will report back.
Estepp-You can buy Usana online at their website, or you can buy directly from a Usana associate, and then you can get a discount. I became an associate after I saw the difference their supplements made, and found they also have a line of skincare that is paraben and formaldehyde free. I know there are people who are bashing me for mentioning Usana, because I am now associated with them, but why would I mention another product if I know there is something better? Frankly, I did not get into this company to make a buck. I am just thrilled that I have found products that I can use to reach more people through my seminars and the doctors I am working with to promote prevention. If you want to start using Usana, you can get it through me or someone else in your area, or just buy it online. It does not matter to me. I do not need this forum to solicit business. As anyone who has been around here knows, I have been trying to help others, long before I started with Usana. I did not need to start a business. I am so busy with other things, that it was the last thing on my mind. But when I find something I believe in, I refuse to pretend otherwise.
Besides their outstanding ratings by third party organizations like Nutrisearch and Consumer Labs, Usana is also listed in the Physicians Desk Reference. But the main reason I believe in the integrity of their products is the founder, Dr. Myron Wentz. Dr. Wentz is a winner of the Einstein Award for Science for developing the test kit for Epstein/Barr and was making millions on his patents. He did not need to start a business selling supplements. But he was tired of seeing the increase in disease and wanted to try to do something to stop it. He got together a team of other scientists and doctors and went to work prefecting formulas that people could trust. Dr. Wentz also promotes all the other things that we natural girls have now made part of our lives, non-toxic environment, nutrition, biological dentistry, etc. etc. He just wrote another book, about toxins in the home. He does not need the money. He does not even take a salary from Usana, and he uses his money to build hospitals all over the world. In fact, if those of you who live in CA want to go to a great health retreat, check out Sanoviv. It is in Baja, and I have heard from people who have gone there and just rave about it. I spoke to a bc survivor who has been there 3 times to detox and diagnose her problems. In fact, I am thinking about going there to get the rest of my amalgams removed because it is going to be about the same cost as having it done here, and I can sit and watch the whales while I detox from the mercury for a couple of days.
So those who hate me around here, can go ahead and blast me for daring to speak about Usana, but so what, I am use to it.
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noone is ever going to hate you Vivre!!!
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hi- this may seem a little off topic, but bear with me, it gets there- I was in the process of driving from California to Tennessee via a nice reliable snow free route, when this blizzard hit. I am going into day 4, I think, of being totally snowed in in a tiny town in N Texas, witht he roads too impassable to even go to the next town. My supplies from the last health food store we were able to go to are pretty much depleted. My question- what do you ladies who live in these small towns eat? How/where can I find anything remotely healthy? Is organic produce a total fantasy? Any tips appreciate. If you want to get specific, I'm in Coleman TX, and it took us 5 hrs to get here from Abilene yesterday, so that is not an option.0
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Jessamine,
I am certain it's difficult for the BC sisters in small towns have a problem. Frankly, it would drive me crazy, as I am gluten intolerant, and I have a hard enough time in Dallas to find enought eating options. I cannot imagine life without Whole Foods, Central Market, and NewFlower. I can easily get bummed out, thinking about what happens when I eat wheat, and traveling for business has proven that it's very difficult to adhere to a healthy diet when you're not in your own environment. Hang in there. If you can get out tommorow, hopefully you can get a bit further down the road. Apparently there is more snow coming on Monday. We have been stuck inside since Tuesday.... can we say "cabin fever"?????
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Jessamine: I don't now about where you are now, but many people in the country do grow organic and healthy. My inlaws are in Kentucky and my MIL belongs to a natural food co-op where everyone brings what they grow and buy each others goods. They live in the middle of nowhere! I know that you probably aren't out and about but if you could get out and ask around I am sure there is something. Maybe don't ask specifically for organic but ask who in the local area has a small farm and grows the old fashioned way, which is organic. Good luck and stay warm.
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Hi Vivre,
As someone who has responded to Usana posts several times in the past, I just want to clarify something. I certainly don't hate you. My intentions are not to bash or blast you personally, or even to bash/blast Usana, and I apologize if you've gotten that impression from me. In fact, I appreciate the fact that you are upfront and honest about being a distributor.
I'm not all that familiar with Usana, but in my own research trying to find high-quality supplements, I do see that Usana seems to always be mentioned, along with several others. The thing I find frustrating is that I can't seem to find much in the way of objective evidence that Usana brand is better than others, especially in light of the relative high cost.
As a consumer, I look for value - which includes both quality and price. From what I can tell, there are multiple "good" or even "great"supplement manufacturers to choose from, so I like to see objective data to show that Brand A is better than Brand B, based on specific and quantifiable criteria, therefore justifying its higher price.
I know from my reading that the neutrality and bias of Nutrisearch and ConsumerLabs have been called into question but, again, I personally look for solid data and don't mind paying higher prices where the quality of a product justifies the cost.
Again, I hope you'll take this in the spirit it's intended - not to bash or bully or be negative, just to discuss and clarify, and I'd love to hear your thoughts if you'd care to share.
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Jessamine,
I sympathasize as I also have to travel long ways to get food. Mostly, I freeze a lot of food that I get in season.
When I travel, I just don't worry about it. Tho, I have seen people on planes bringing their own organic food to eat.
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Jessamine-I ive in a small town in south texas very similar to Coleman. Unfortunalty our local grocery store does not carry much of organic and specialty products. They have gotten better but I usually have to travel to the city for whole foods, Central market or Sun Harvest. I stock up as much as possible and the surrounding towns have some pretty good farmers markets that I shop at. Good luck in finding what you need.
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