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I am going to toss this in here on an FYI basis...nothing definitive but there have been rumblings about this in the past...
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-weight-link-calcium-supplements-heart.html
it can all be so nuts sometimes. I have been freaking all week until getting the all clear yesterday from a PET/CT scan. Had it out with my onc about my use of alternatives instead of AIs...she has agreed to run full estrogen panels every three months, but besides that I argued that supplements were indeed "medicine" ...people tend to forget that and like prescription drugs, have side effects that pop up. Anyway, I just wanted to share this as I take calcium supplements but am now thinking of leaning to more CHEESE and greek yogurt...argh
as for the chicken, it is a scary thing...including organics...same drill- we cannot be there on the farm making sure everything is being done the way it is advertised, but even if it is, there are germs and bugs that thrive...one philosphy that goes against a lot of what we are taught is buying top-line flash frozen chicken breasts-there are some breasts that are individually wrapped-typically fresh would be best as it handled less but in this case the extra step of flash freezing seems to be in a more sanitary environment with the freezing process killing off unwanted growth...
it actually makes sense in a way for they have already established that the availability of certain fruits and veggies year round is not neccessarily a good thing as those things not naturally in season in a certain location have to be shipped there...in that case, it may be safer and more nutritious to buy a quality frozen version of a veggie/fruit (keeping all nutrients) that is out of season locally than buying what is advertised as fresh locally- since it has been shipped from somewhere else...and as for the "fresh salads" that are prepackaged (or any veggie in those little bags) those ar just breeding grounds for bacteria no matter that tey say ready to eat- if you do buy them- buy the freshest and wash the hell out of them..anyway, have a good one
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annettek- Don't we love the new medical SE on things that have been recommended forever? I saw the story on calcium supplements causing heart problems. I think they said a 20% increase in heart attacks? With BC, I am trying to avoid dairy as most here in USA has hormones....cheese, yogurt etc... Why am I remembering that there is some new thinking that we need to supplement magnesium, not calcium for bone health? Did anyone else hear this, or is my brain making it up?
letterchick- Welcome! It sounds like you are doing a lot of things already to beat BC. A lot of ladies use naturopaths, but you can put together your own health program even on your own. As I can't justify the expense of a naturopath, I have put together a very solid plan with the help of these generous ladies and research. A good site to start with is breastcancerchoices.org. There is lots of good, clear, evidence-based strategy there.
About the tainted meat. Like Annette pointed out, bacteria is bacteria, doesn't matter if it is organic or not. I think the flash frozen strategy might be a good one. Boy would that p%^ss me off if I got sick from bad meat after all I have been through!
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I am very lucky in the meat dept. I live in a rural area that produces lots of chicken. There is an organic processor here and I can go directly to the processing plant and pick them up fresh on ice. I usually buy the whole chicken because if you buy breast or thighs you have to purchase ten pounds of it and it is more expensive. We also have an organic egg plant here so I can go and purchase a flat of eggs for $2 which is 2 1/2 dz eggs. I keep saying I am going to build a chicken pen and have my own eggs, but DH can't get motivated when I can get them so cheap. We also have a mushroom farm that I go too. I love having access to these things because I get it fresh before it is being shipped out to the stores.
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DesignerMom, I think this was the indepth article I'd shared a few months ago about the issue of people getting too much calcium and not enough magnesium: http://www.jonbarron.org/heart-health/nl100809/calcium-intake-dietary-supplements I don't have time to re-read it now, but if that's not it, let me know and I'll dig deeper.
I've also observed feeling headachy or "off" in recent weeks after eating natural chicken. I cook it to satisfy DH and only eat a very tiny amount of it because I feel I need the protein. But the yukky feeling the day after has been consistent enough to make me feel the chicken is the problem. Deanna
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Designermom: I seem to recall something about taking Magnesium instead of calcium (which I do), too. I only eat cheese now from New Zealand or Europe as those seem to always be marked no hormones, additives, etc.
Sherryc: Where in Texas do you live? My MIL raises all her own chickens, ducks, cows, lamas, turkeys, goats--she is actually a supplier for an organic, local restaurant with her fresh eggs. Fresh makes such a huge difference.
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MBJ I live an hour south of Austin, TX and an hour East of San Antonio Texas, just off of IH 10. Where does your MIL live?
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Just came across something interesting I wanted to share. In the book, Beating Cancer With Nutrition, by Patrick Quillin, PhD, RD, CNS, and former Director of Nutrition for The Cancer Centers of America, (2005 edition) there's a lengthy appendix of Doctors Using Nutrition As Part Of A Medical Practice, listed by zip code. Feel free to PM me if you haven't been able to find a nutritionally-oriented doc. I only know 1 out of the 3 he has listed in my area. Deanna
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Sherryc: My MIL lives in Kentucky, but my DH and I are thinking of moving to Austin.
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Ok I found an answer to my question...sort of.. And wanted to post it here in case anyone else might be wondering the same.
Re: taking AHCC along with Tamoxifen. Probably not a good idea.
"The ex vivo study indicated that AHCC does increase CYP450 2D6 activity. Therefore, it may have the potential to modulate the effect of drugs metabolized through that pathway. Fortunately, this is not a predominant pathway for metabolism of commonly used chemo agents, with the exception of doxorubicin and tamoxifen.
Tamoxifen must be metabolized by the 26D pathway to be converted to its active form, so induction of 26D might increase the effect of the drug. There are some case studies suggesting this does occur, though the interaction is not well understood. It is also possible that AHCC's induction of 26D would increase tamoxifen toxicity, though this has not been observed. Until more is known, it is wise to be cautious in combining AHCC with tamoxifen. But since most other chemo drugs are not metabolized via 26D, there is little risk of interactions."0 -
Hello, I just cannot keep up with you girls
I have to go back 280 pages !!!!!!In the meantime, I'm throwing this in:
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Thanks for posting that again, Luan. Have you seen the TED talk explaining the importance of angiogenesis? It's excellent!!!
Interesting that lavender is on this list, since a lot of bc survivors avoid it as being very strongly estrogenic. In fact, there's a conversation about that elsewhere on BCO now. Deanna
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Ooooop, hadn't realized I had already posted it...have posted phytoestrogenic foods on the hormonal girls. Scary, lavender has been my best friends for years !!!!
I think I'll be moving to the moon soon, the more I dig, the more dirt I find, it's actually pretty discouraging, we'll all become BUBBLE INHABITANTS !
Verrrryyyy interesting that Dr. Li
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LOL -- no, you didn't post it; I thought I had! Anyway, it's great info'!
Also, I'm not sure the negative info' about lavendar being overly estrogenic has any basis in fact. The negative things I've found written about it all seem to be based on something a pediatric endocronolgist observed with 3 or 4 little boys. The most credible & recent research I could find (it's posted on that lavender thread) says it's not. But for those who are concerned, it's certainly something one can live without. Deanna
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Annette-studies like that drive me crazy. They are always somewhat inconclusive, but they have headlines that make one think that supplements are dangerous. That said, I do believe that calcium is one supplement that can accumulate if we overdo it.
This topic has been one we have been debating for years. The problem with determining what supplements can or cannot do is that most studies will isolate a single supplement. The body is just not made to absorb one thing and expect miracles. Supplements are most potent when they are synergistic. That is why I finally decided I am sticking with Usana. They have a team of scientists who not only make sure they have pure sources, they have put together supplements in the amounts that are most synergistic. This is has saved me so much time. I no longer have to read the fine print on all the labels and hope that it what I need. Since Usana is all pharmaceutical grade, by law, it has to have in it what is on the bottle. And since they have already determined optimal (not RDA) dosages, I do not have to keep trying to figure it out for myself.
Designer Mom-Have you ever had a consult with Dr. Gonzales in NYC? I would make a beeline to his office if I were you, even though you have already been treated. A colleague of his is speaking here at one of my seminars and he is so profoundly interesting. He follows the Kelly/Gonzalez protocol of eating for your metabolism. He explains how not everyone is meant to be a vegan, we all need to find out what is optimal for our own body chemistry. This can explain why so many vegans look and feel so unhealthy while others flourish.
Sherry, I am so jealous. You are so lucky to live near such great sources of whole, fresh foods. We all need to try to go directly to the sources instead of the supermarket. I do not mind spending more for quality meat, because I eat less of it now. I need a little meat to feel my best, but I do not eat it everyday like I use to. It is great in the summer when we have everything available at our local farmers markets. And I agree with Annette, it is sometimes better to buy the flash frozen from good sources. You may lose some nutriiton in the freezing process, but it is still healthier than bacteria from the transport process.The only fish I will buy is frozen. There is no way we can get fresh fish in our part of the country. They will thaw it and pretend it is fresh.
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Hey Luan
My Bean is bigger than your bean!:
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=slv8-acer&sz=all&va=chicago+bean
Come and see for yourself. The Health and Freedom Expo is coming soon:
http://www.healthfreedomexpo.com/site/
I am a bit humbled that I will be speaking opposite so many of my idols. Mike Adams, Hal Huggins, Sherri Tenpenny, Dr. Epstein. OMG! I am scared to death! But it is something I finally accepted I needed to do. I have been working with a couple of great doctors and others who think I need to be more vocal. I hope you all will come and cheer me on. It really is an amazing three days.
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dlb- thank you for questioning the validity of lavender avoidance. I have practiced aromatherapy for years and find lavender's benefits are astonishing in skincare and other things. I hate when people start labeling natural botanicals as dangerous. If real science proves it, I will listen. In the meantime, I will continue to relaaaaaax in my lavender baths.
vivre- No, I haven't gone to Dr. Gonzalez. An acquaintance is seeing him. I believe she had mets and now seems to be stable, can't swear to that. I know he is quite expensive and his protocol of supplements cost a lot too. About being nervous speaking with the "experts". Girl! You have more credibility and experience than all those doctors combined. Just talk from your heart and you will be fantastic. I would trust you over a doctor any day!
luan- I'm going to look at your list of cancer killing foods and act like I am a chef on "Chopped" and they are in my secret basket. I'm thinking a chocolate mole sauce over blackbean buritos...
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Desigmermom, yum, but u forgot the red wine
Thanks for the heads up re lavender, after all it
did make dr li,s list...
Vivre, u have my vote of confidence. In fact ladies
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wow sherry- we will be up your way later this summer when we take my youngest to Comfort- there is a fantastic summer camp up there for special needs kiddos and HE LOVES IT.
MBJ- we are thinking of moving to austin as well (within next five years-have to get finances right, sell one house then this new one we bought-great financial wizards that we are) - the people and the town are what we like and the area would be a great place to make a home for our son "Goat Creek Ranch":)
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mbj and annette austin is a great place. Great music and restaurants. Just an overall funky place to be. We are camping this weekend just outside of Austin and went to eat at a great little Italian place tonight. We have an RV I am not that primitive. hehe
Annette if you come through my town you will have to PM me and get together.
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Sherryc & Annette: My husband grew up in and around Austin and back when I did music I played in Austin and I think we would love everything about it except the muggy heat. We especially like the affordability of living there compared to LA.
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I heard this being discussed on NPR today and thought, WOW -- what a stunning finding!
http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20110421/pesticide-exposure-in-womb-linked-to-lower-iq
Of course, it makes you think, what the heck else are these chemicals doing to us?!*!*!
Vivre, I'm excited for you! You have such a great way of communicating your experiences, observations, passions and beliefs here. I'm sure it will translate to a fabulous presentation! Good for you!!! Deanna
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Has anyone watched the show EcoTrip? It's all about where things come from and the impact on the earth to create them and using better alternatives. I think it gives you a really good idea of why we have so much cancer in the world. As long as the government subsidises corporations to continue bad, toxic wasteful practices we will continue to have the problems that we do: pollution of our water, air, food, planet=cancer.
The episode last night was the use of plastic bottles and bottled water and the massive waste in the middle of the ocean that is the size of Texas times two. Basicly, the wildlife is eating plastic and in turn so are we--imagine-we are eating our own polutants!!!
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Something I would like to share: http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/corporate-control-not-in-these-communities
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MBJ - I would blame that on the users of plastic bottles not recycling. They are making wonderful recycled things with the plastic nowadays:
Most tap water polluted by dirty municipal infrastructure
As the United States becomes a nation of 300 million, the country's older cities face the reality of overpopulation, crumbling infrastructures, and the health concerns raised by both, especially those related to the availability of fresh water.
Eric Goldstein, a spokesman for the Natural Resources Defense Council, has stated that the water distribution systems of cities such as Chicago, Denver, Philadelphia and New York are in urgent need of repair.
The antiquated water delivery systems in these cities are comprised of nearly 1 million miles of piping, mostly made of iron. As the iron pipes corrode, clean water flowing through them becomes contaminated with rust. Over time the pipes also rupture, causing not only water loss, but the introduction of pollutants and diseases from the ground.
"Investigations conducted in the last five years suggest that a substantial proportion of waterborne disease outbreaks, both microbial and chemical, are attributable to problems within distribution systems," said the National Research Council in a report released in December for the Environmental Protection Agency.
There are 170,000 public water distribution systems at work nationwide, and municipalities spend more than $50 million each year to supply clean drinking water in accordance with the Safe Drinking Water Act of 1974.
"If you clean up water and then put it into a dirty pipe, there's not much point," said Montana State University microbiologist and water research scientist, Timothy Ford. "I consider the distribution system to be the highest risk and the greatest problem we are going to be facing in the future," said Ford.
Jack Hossbuhr, executive director of the American Water Works Association, estimates that the cost of replacing existing pipelines over the next 20 to 30 years is going to cost water utility companies some $250 to $350 billion.
Some critics of current water delivery techniques feel that replacing the infrastructure is not a total solution.
"I advise everyone to avoid drinking water from the tap, no matter how clean the city claims it to be," said consumer health advocate Mike Adams. "Even when cities claim their water is clean, they may still add toxic fluoride chemicals and chlorine, which we know promotes bladder cancer"
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Luan: I agree with you! Even though LA has some of the cleanest water, I refill my water jug weekly with purified water. I live in a very old building and I know our pipes are rusted and we don't have copper pipes. Also, they started adding floride to the water here. Recycling plasics of course helps but there are still tons of waste in our oceans and corporate polution in all of our waters.
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I know MBJ, plastics are a REAL problem
but there's hope, I've vaguely heard of new science re: "green" biodegradable plastics and what is happening to our oceans is lamentable, despicable and utterly scandalous !!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
Luan, MBJ-
The real lamentable fact concerning plastics is.... we don't need a lot of them! The glass industry is still alive and kicking here in the USA. Yes, one of the few products we still manufacture here is glass. Glass is made from a process that involves heating sand to very high temps. So, it's a naturally-derived product. And the best part? It's 100% recyclable. Foods that are stored in glass don't have chemicals leach into them, the food tastes better, etc., etc. The Chemicals/plastics industry must be curtailed in its dominance in the consumer goods market!
So, we'd be helping to boost our own economy by using glass, and we'd be a lot more "clean" at the same time. It astounds me that no one from the glass industry can lobby like the chemicals companies can......
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Regardless of whether plastic water containters get recycled or not, drinking water placed in a glass container is a far superior option to plastic just from a chemical-load-on-the-body perspective. I started buying filtered water from a kiosk back in 09 and I started feeling better as a result. I've collected some 4 liter glass jugs, which are just right for holding one gallon of water. They weigh 3 pounds empty and 12 pounds full. I was hoping my bingo wings would firm up from handling all these bottles everyday, but alas, I think they're just as flabby now as two years ago.
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Althea - that's what my concern was on the hormonal girl thread. Need to find me a filtered water fountain and investigate the company.
Marriana: I'm so happy to have found a sound brand of vitamins in glass bottles
Fulfilling the purpose has become an insurmountable battle
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Luan- You are right, there is now certified compostable plastic. They are made from plant cellulose. I produce all natural soaps and that is how I package them. I saw an interview with Sandra Bullock, who is all "green" and owns restaruants. Her restaruants use plastic straws and utensils made from bamboo.
Marianna- I love using and reusing glass containers, I actually collect old rerigerator ware. However glass is heavy, therefore has a huge environmental impact due to extra fuel costs for transportation etc...I think it is all a balancing act. I remember when my son was born I actually elected to use cloth diapers for environmental reasons. Then I found out that the harsh soaps and chemicals used by the diaper service to wash them were actually equally harmful to the water system. Somedays it's hard to know what to do.
As we don't eat beef anymore and now we are leary of chicken too, that leaves fish and shrimp. We just searched numerous stores for domestic shrimp. Finally found one brand from Key West at Whole Foods. Every other store only had farm raised from India, Thailand, Vietnam. Do you guys trust those? Who knows what is in those lagoons?
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