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Simvog, the article is phenomenal, I just wish it would have stated for our country rather than just the health care system, everyone is a patient at some time or other and prevention should be preached....wouldn't it be neat if the article were a TV commercial on every channel!
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Rosemary-loved the video! Great way to start off the day.
Sim-thanks for the links. I can't believe that we now have to look so carefully at our fish. They even give them antibiotics. Is anything safe to eat anymore! Damn, no wonder there is so much cancer in this country. We really need to start raising hell about all this crap! I guess I need to put in a pond and raise my own fish now! Then I need a chicken coop. Egads, so we have to just all start our own farms? At least my veggies garden is looking good, until the bugs attack. I am currently battling the ants. My friend gave me this huge limestone rock(from TX- rosemary) that the ants decided to take over. I was out powerwashing my walk and kept blasting all the holes in the rock. It was really fun to see the ants all in a panic. They were little tiny ones. Then I noticed this HUGE thing slither out the back. I grabbed another rock and pounded it. I think I got the queen! I am woman! But I refused to get out the chemicals. I made my husband finish off the rest of the nest when he got home. LOL No PETA protests please!
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Just wanted to give some input on organic and GE produce. I think the spray that the strawberry farmer was referring to was to prevent fungal infection. It is a worse problem than the bugs are. The other thing that I want to point out is that what you think is organic usually comes from genetically engineered root stock that makes it resistant to fungus and pests. Some of the "organic" farmers are not even aware of this and think that they have a chemical free product. As a farmer I can tell you that it takes a LOT of PERFECT conditions to grow a half decent fruit without GE stock or human intervention. Perhaps someone with only 2 or 3 trees in their backyard MAY be able to get some worthy of selling.
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prettyinpink100
There are no "organic" farmers. Either they are certified organic in which case they have to be GE free or they are not organic. I do not buy organic products that are not certified by one of the following :
California Certified Organic Farmers - CCOF
North Organic Farming Association - NOFA
Vermont Organic Farmers - VOF
Oregon Tilth - OTCO
Quality Assurance International - QAI
USDA have been involved in organic food only since 2002. The other certification agencies are as old as 1973 and the rules used to be stricter ( they required free of pesticides and all for 7 years prior to certification not 3).
Here are the USDA requirements:
Effective 21 October 2002, all agricultural farms and products claiming to be organic must be guaranteed by a USDA-approved independent agency to be meeting the following guidelines:
- Abstain from the application of prohibited materials (including synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, and sewage sludge) for 3 years prior to certification and then continually throughout their organic license.
- Prohibit the use of genetically modified organisms and irradiation.
- Employ positive soil building, conservation, manure management and crop rotation practices.
- Provide outdoor access and pasture for livestock.
- Refrain from antibiotic and hormone use in animals.
- Sustain animals on 100% organic feed.
- Avoid contamination during the processing of organic products.
- Keep records of all operations.
Here are some links where you can look for organic foods near you:
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Be free from sewage sludge...does that mean other produce doesn't have to be free of it? I'm gettin sick here. I just read a story about what all is in sewage sludge. Don't ask.
Vivre,
I've never been to a picnic where the ants aren't automatically invited. Yep, we Texans do have our weapons of mass destruction.
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Ladies - you all made my day yesterday - thank-you soooo much. I got up yesterday and read the posts. I laughed and cried. The humor and words of encouragement were just what I needed.
Rosemary that video was great! althea I love the idea about the monkey poo!!!
All you ladies are just awesome! Thanks for the prayers
God Bless Us All
Patty
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Sea, you hang in there girlie. I keep thinking of you!!
Question: about "Cane juice"
On my organic Kashi cerials, and other like things, I see an ingredient of "cane juice". I assume this is sugar cane juice, and is a sweetner. Not processed like white sugar, but I assume like honey and maple syrup will still cause an insulin spike. (unlike Stevia and Agave nectar).
If anybody has the skinney on this, let us know.
Spring.
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Just got this from a friend. YIKES!
Subject: Baby Carrots
The following is information from a farmer who grows and
packages carrots for IGA, METRO, LOBLAWS,etc
The small cocktail (baby) carrots you buy in small
plastic bags are made using the larger crooked or deformed carrots which are
put through a machine which cuts and shapes them into cocktail carrots -
most people probably know this already. What you may not know and should know
is the following: Once the carrots are cut and shaped into cocktail
carrots they are dipped in a solution of water and chlorine in order to
preserve them. (this is the same chlorine used in your pool). Since they do not
have their skin or natural protective covering, they give them a higher dose
of chlorine.
You will notice that once you keep these carrots in your
refrigerator for a few days, a white covering will form on the carrots.
This is the chlorine which resurfaces.
At what cost do we put our health at risk to have
esthetically pleasing vegetables?
Chlorine is a very well-known carcinogen, which causes
Cancer.. I thought this was worth passing on. Pass it on to as many
people as possible in hopes of informing them where these carrots come
from and how they are processed.
I used to buy those baby carrots for vegetable dips. I
know that I will never buy them again!!!!
Confirmed by Snopes.com http://snopes.com/
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Wow, that's scary. I thought they grew that way. Thanks for the info.
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I didn't know what size they started out, but I figured they were bathed in something because some brands have a faint off-taste to them, and/or sometimes they have a very slight but almost slimey coating on them, like you can tell they've been treated with a preservative. But chlorine???!!! How can that be USDA approved for consumption??!
If anyone figures out a brand that's untreated, let us know. And I'm going to ask about it at Henry's & Trader Joe's the next time I'm there. Deanna
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Somewhere I read that it's good to take Green Tea Extract. I was in Target today and bought some. I didn't have my glasses on, so when I got home I read the ingredients. In the "other" ingredients it has Maltodextrin Dicaicum, Phosphate, Gelatin, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate silica. Is any of that stuff bad?
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The story about the baby carrots has been circulating for awhile now. Check out snopes.com and you will see that it is not true.
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I suspect that someone swimming in a chlorinated pool would ingest more than the amount found in baby carrots! Remember that chlorine is an element found in just about all vegetation, and in salt (which is sodium chloride).
Reen: maltodextrin is a carbohydrate, phosphate is a mineral and silica is a form of sand. All are harmless, IMO.
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does this apply to organic baby carrots?
the large carrots are best for juining. for me!
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Oh #### ladies I eat those baby carrots all the time as a snack.I don't think veggies will give us cancer.( Or will they?) The carrots are evil. Sorry ladies I think I am on the wrong thread. Just ignore me.
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Amber, I sent you a PM
Debbie
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Hi Everyone,
Wow..I really missed being here! I had a massive keyboard malfunction due to a grandbaby and liquids but all is well now.
I received my path report and it was IDC Stage 1 Grade 2 0/3 nodes. I also met with a medical onc who is pushing Taxotere and Cytoxin along with Tamox. I told her I want the oncotype score before making a decision and she said that she is not willing to use resources to order an expensive test if I am dead set against Chemo. I was annoyed but said nothing and proceeded to ask her about Ic3, Coq along with progesterone cream, Vit C and so on. She was very nice but shot down everything and I mean everything. She does not believe that spending money on unproven therapy is wise. She is also pushing the Tailor on me which I am not interested in. I just want the Oncotype. I was really upset with her rationale for not ordering the Oncotye. Every woman deserves to have it and if she feels so strongly about chemo why not use all of "her" resources to convince me that I need it? I do not want chemo or any of it but if I take the time to show up, that should convey to her that maybe, just maybe I could be convinced if she had a compelling argument to support her recommendation. When I asked about SE's her face became flushed and she said it was only about 1%. I also asked about diet and was promptly given the HMO salute (shrug shoulders) and said "all things in moderation". Yikes... my 10 year old can give better nutritional advice.
I also spoke to another Oncologist who agreed to advise me via the telephone since he is so far away but I think he is cut from the same cloth. When I asked him about testing my hormone levels he said that since I am pre-men they know I am producing estrogen so there is no need to test me. Hmmmm..... I am dealing with an HMO so I need to learn how to navigate the system and fast. Any ideas? Have any of you found an HMO Onc who is willing to work with you while you are using Supplements? Wishing everyone the best....
As always,
Grace
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Grace,
What's their rationale for giving you chemo? Did they throw in any stats? Maybe a family history? I have pretty much the same path report, and no one even considered giving me chemo. Maybe it's because I was postmenopausal?
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Hi Everyone.
~Rosemary~ They have the handy dandy Adjuvant Calculator. She said the oncotype would refine the adjuvant results which prompted me again to ask to have it done. She never mentioned my being pre-menopausal although my surgeon did. My surgeon said chemo would probably give me a 2% benefit which was not high enough for me. The Onc Doc said I stood a 25% chance of relapse without any further treatment, 16% with Tamoxifen, 14% with Chemotherapy and 8% with combined therapy. Mind you, she began the conversation by telling me that they do not practice cookie cutter medicine.
I asked how the supplements would affect the outcome and she basically said they are unproven to be of benefit. I knew I was talking to a wall and decided not to waste our mutual time.
Thanks for asking....
As always,
Grace
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Grace,
I never for one second let on that I wouldn't take chemo. I talked to each Dr. as if I was going to be told I was getting chemo. 3 of them said no chemo. They might have even thought I was disappointed. Believe me I wasn't. So I'm surprised your Onc is offering it to you. There has got to be more difference between us. It might be the post and premeno. That's all I can think of.
Dr'.s don't think of food as possible healers. They waste all that research on them. But, thankfully, it's not wasted on us. When can anyone say they're Dr. told them to eat wild blueberries every day? Cranberries? Well, I'm sure some Dr. has told at least one patient to eat prunes. That's what we up against. None believers.
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Hi Everyone,
~Rosemary~ Really, I do not know what the difference is besides age maybe?? I am 48 which I am told is "young" to have bc. Although I do not want chemo or rads or tamox I went to the appoinment hopeful that they would not suggest it but prepared to accept it as a possibility. The problem with the Onc Doc was that she spoke to me as if I was getting Chemo and that was that. She told me that no one can make me do it but if I want to avoid a relapse I had to do it. I then told her that I wanted the oncotype to help me decide. She is blackmailing me by making it seem that I asked for the oncotype just to satisfy my curiosity which was uncalled for. She is also pushing the Tailor by saying it will be for a humanitarian act and it is a beneift for the greater good. Can't argue that but I don't want my treatment randomized. If I had not told her I wanted to oncotype chemo would have been scheduled this week.
Have you used this? http://cancer.lifemath.net/breastcancer/therapy/index.php
If you have time punch in your numbers and we can compare results.
I neglected to add that the stats were based on a 10 year model and I have no family history of bc.
Thanks again.......
As always,
Grace
"The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while Nature cures the disease"Voltaire
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Grace,
Yep, it's the age. I couldn't fill in the form, my pc has it jumbled up. I have my print too large, maybe later when my in-house pc expert awakens I'll be able to do the form.
Since no one offered chemo to me, I really didn't get into it. You had a small tumor? They took it out, with clear margins, and radiation. So what's the chemo suppose to do now? Assuming there is no cancer cells running loose, I guess I need a 101 on chemo as a prophylactic.
Sorry, I didn't see you didn't have radiation. Would that be the reason why she's offering chemo?
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Grace, do you have a choice to see another ONC?
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Rosemary and Grace, I bet the difference is the year in which you were diagnosed. Many women who would not have been offered chemo just a few years ago are now pushed into it (just in case there's a stray cell somewhere).
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PatMom,
Really? One would hope it would have gone in the OTHER direction! They pushed chemo more in that past than now. Good grief....
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Grace,
You have a terrible onc on so many levels that there is no point even trying to talk to her.
Please, please, please see someone else. She has both lied and misrepresented the facts to force you to do what she wants.
anom
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I was given the same BS by my onc, or actually her nurse, because the onc was too busy to spend much time with me. They were so excited that I qualified for a new arimidex study. They told me how lucky I was that my cancer was caught early and they had a drug that will keep it from recurring. They had me convinced that I would be helping so many others by being in this study. So I signed on, still in the whole fog of "What the hell am I doing here". Then when I started reading about the side effects, I started to balk. They kept trying to coerce me, and even told me that I could get a free oncotype test as part of the study. When I finally said forget it, they were really mad. I did not feel that they were upset because I was declining a drug that would help me, but that I was making them lose the hefty stipend they would get by having me in their study. The research nurse even got testy with me, telling me I had signed the papers already. I basically told her to sue me. LOL That was a turning point for me. I started to look at the whole business of cancer as "what's in it for me". I am still mad at myself that I did not wake up before I got suckered into rads. With wide margins and clear nodes I think it was total overkill, and I still worry that rads could cause a recurrance. I always wonder if I was a good candidate for rads because I had good insurance. They sure made a lot of money off of me!
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Pat,
I can believe that to be true. It's just the difference in time of dx.
I'll try not to make this too long. 4-5 years ago I happened upon a site that was promoting doing pet scans. I saw before and after photos they provided. What I got from it was a pet scan showed a stray cell in the blood stream in the before photo. Then after the woman had radiation, they did another pet scan to show the results. The stray was gone.
Keep in mind they were trying to sell us on getting pet scans, or Dr.s to order pet scans. One or the other. But my eyes opened up to the stray cell being destroyed by radiation. If radiation will do that, then wouldn't chemo be overkill as Vivre is talking about?
Which brings me to another point, why aren't Dr.s ordering pet scans? I know it can have false positives, but that's part of the package. But it would go a long way to help a person decide what the next step of therapy should be.
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Rosemary, that story about the PET scan and the stray cell makes me less crazy that I had RADs... ugh. Maybe I should hold that image in my mind!!! (It's done now, nothing to do about it...)
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Spring,
Yes, me too. I still keep using it as something to hold on to as I can't turn my upper body in certain ways though it's 5 years later. It feels like my ribs are going to break, and I'm in pain till I turn back. That one cell keeps evil thoughts out of my head towards the rad Onc.
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