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Right back at ya', Vivre! It brings crystal clear meaning to the old saying, "Be careful what you ask for"! Have a great weekend, All! Melissa
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very true about "careful what you wish for".......I always wanted different boobs, shish!!!
Vivre, I had asked this on another thread, but I think you might have missed it, but how often do you have your hormones re-checked?
L
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Hey PurpleMe so glad your reading the book The nutrition classes are wonderful that i am taking a cornell What i love about Dr. Campbell is there is no bullshit. Even in his lectures he says its simple eat plants grains beans lentil all whole-plant based foods and you can avoid alot of disease. I know i feel a ton better than i use to being on the diet and I feel like im a participate in my own health now! Let me know when your finished with the book.
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Hello Vivre,
I will be seeing an oncologist on September 28th for my estrogen positive DCIS. I would like to tell her about Myomin. Could you tell me what kind of doctor is giving you Myomin, and if he has told you that patients of his have found that treatment to be sucessful in keeping their cancer away? I'm trying to find as much about Myomin sucess as I can. I can see case histories mentioned on the UK website for Myomin, but my husband feels it would be helpful to show sucess stories from regular people such as on these forums, rather than just the testimonials that appear on the website that is selling the product. I have seen so many people talking about the bad side effects of arimidex. I really don't want to take that, if something else natural could do the same thing. I'm having trouble finding people who have taken Myomin long term, and are still cancer free. This is what would really be impressive to show the oncologist. As for yourself, how long have you been taking Myomin, and were your hormone levels checked by blood or saliva? I look forward to hearing from you Vivre.
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This thread is a great idea! For what it is worth,it was suggested to drink Wheat Grass juice. It is actually pretty good.
Jen
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i would love to know of any books or specific diet types to follow for recurrence prevention. or especially any recs that nutrition could replace tamoxifen?? i see yall like juicing. i prefer whole foods when possible to help keep my (calories and therefore) weight down. anyway i will read anything you want to send or rec. thanks!!
dawn
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REDRIVER-- May I ask what book you are talking about. I would like to read it. Thanks Wendy
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REDRIVER I saw what book it is, The china study. I really want to read it, it sounds interesting.
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The main reason I became a vegetarian oh so many years ago was I didn't like meat, poultry etc. Just never liked it. Didn't truly realize how much better I was going to feel until I went completely vegetarian.
I also believe like Shepherd said that we each need to find what works for us and our bodies. IMHO what we should be doing is if you do eat meat, poultry, fish, etc that you make this a very small portion of your plate with the bulk of your plate plant foods.
One of my other beliefs is that the use of all of the chemicals, plastics, etc in our lives is a huge contributor to diseases like BC. Packaged foods fulls of stuff you can't even pronounce, air fresheners, cleaners to scrub the bathroom and kitchen, perfumes, etc. Again just MHO.
I am eliminating things like plastic containers and using glass. No chemical cleaners for me. Organic skin products. As much organic as I can possibly do.
By the by ladies it has now been 2 weeks since my last Arimidex pill - no more for me. Was only on it for about 5 months but that was 5 months to many. So not going down the route of taking more medication to counteract the side effects of the Arimidex. Anyhoo...feel soooo much better. My naturopath has me on I3C and I have emailed her about Myomin and DIM. I have read on this thread that Myomin might be better for menopausal/post menopausal women and I have been post menopausal for almost 10 years (54 yrs young now). Also read that DIM might be better than I3C since I3C needs to convert to DIM in the body. Does anyone know anything about this?
Love this thread by the way.
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MBrowning, Such good news on your GP!!
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Hey Wendy its the "The China Study" by T.Colin Campbell I loved it mainly because he is not some guru saying take this magic potion and it will cure you He explains the development of cancer and through his research how high protein intakes affect it via meat and dairy I have been on a plant-based diet for a year now and i never had high cholesterol in the first place but now it is 101 with a ratio of chol/hdl at 2.6 which means if i had heart disease my body would be in the process of repair. The main thing i have noticed is i just feel so much better no allergies like i had in the past no headaches overall alot of energy! I hope you enjoy the book!
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Fairy-I have had three hormone workups so far. The first was right after I finished rads and walked away from my doctors out of frustration because they did not seem to answer my questions or have any support for "going natural". I found a chiro who was instrumental in helping me with nutrition and supplements. She is the one who did my first blood workups, told me to get on the Vit D, and I3C, and about another doc she knew who does thermography, which I have had 3 of. They give me such peace of mind. After looking around a long time, I finally found the doctor who specializes in hormone therapy. She recommended the urinalysis hormone tests instead. She says they give more information than blood, but she also said the saliva tests are good too. She decides by patient needs which to recommend. My hormone tests showed a marked improvement in my estrogen levels each time, however I was a bit discouraged that my ratio had not improved more on the I3C. I did not take DIM because I could not find one without soy. In talking with my compounding pharmacist, he told me that I3C/DIM does not always work as well for menopausal women and he is the one who recommended the myomin. So I am trying that now, but I will not do another hormone workup for a couple more months. Then I will meet with my hormone doc again and see what we need to tweak things.
One of the problems we have here on this thread is that it gets long and people who join in do not have all the info we have already talked about. I am always so thrilled to see newcomers jumping in and I sure hope you will all take the time to read through this thread, the iodine thread, and the progesterone, DIM threads. You will find a lot of information to books to read, links to web info, etc. This is one of the reasons I am going to be starting a new site. All of this information will be at the top of our threads for easy access so that people do not have to keep digging for information. After all, it seems that is what we are all doing, constantly looking for more proof that we are on a safe path, and there is endless amounts of info out there. The problem is just finding it all!
PoetJanet, the reason you do not find any studies in the US is because no one but drug companies or universities have the money to do them. Drug companies have no incentive to study any cheap alternative. In fact, they continue to try to shut down the supplement and alternative manufacturers so they can monopolize the market. I do not trust the FDA either, since most of the funding comes from Big Pharma. They are one and the same these days. They are doing studies in Europe because they are looking for cheaper alternatives, which is the only reason that I see a benefit to socialized medicine, but that is obviously not the issue here. All I know is that I really respect the opinion of my compounding pharmacist. He travels all over the country attending seminars, learning natural formulas, and he really stresses hormone balance as a preventative for all kinds of problems. I am now having my 28 year old reading my information because I am learning how hormones affect allergies, which he has. And here is something that I am just discovering by reading the yahoo iodine group-Both of my sons had ADD. My youngest would have emotional meltdowns when he was hungry from the time he was an infant. I am now reading about the link between ADD and autism and low iodine levels in mothers. So here I am with BC and my sons are ADD and my SIL had cervical cancer and her son is autistic. Could it be iodine deficiency causing all these problems? I cannot believe how much better I feel since starting the iodine supplements, which I also get from my CPharm, who is a advocate of Dr Brownstein and uses his formulas. I will not be able give you any results on the myomin until I retest my hormones, which as I said, will be another couple of months. I wish I could do it more, but the test are very expensive. Too bad we cannot all band together and get a researcher to do a clinical trial with us! Hey that's an idea! Where is our resident Biology Geek??
As far as books go-read anything you can by Dr. Lee and Dr Brownstein.I love their books. They both explain things very well. I also liked Jane Plants book on the dairy connection and Dr. Ray Strand's book on nutrition and supplements, and Suzanne Somers book, Breakthrough. And the book that started it all for me was by Dr. Christiane Northrup, The Wisdom of Menopause. This book reinforced for me that thinking outside the box is sometimes just following our intiuition. I find that the more I read, the more it motivates me to stay on this track. It just seems that the learning never stops.
Hope this helps you all. Just keep reading, and keep looking until you find a doctor who can support your choices, do the tests, and can help you get everything back in balance.
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You gals give me so much to think about. I just wanted to add one thing about vitamin D---my integrative medical doctor suggested 5000 units a day. My husband has been taking 2000 units for over a year and he is still low. I just started the 5000 about a month ago and while I am low, my D level is higher than my husbands.
The other thing I wanted to mention is that my doctor (an integrative doctor with an MD, working at a major medical center), had me tested for just about every inflammatory condition plus for hormones...estrogen, testosterone, FSH....and although I have not had my period for two years, I have the hormones of a pre menstral woman. He had suspected as much when I described my reaction to chemo. It was important to know because I am not a candidate for an AI with my hormonal level and my onc never tested me for my hormonal levels before suggesting an AI (of course I was never going to agree to an AI for other reasons). I am not a good candidate for tamoxifen either since I have a history of blood clots, so I am working on using DIM, making lots of dietary changes, and exercising more. I have not met with the integrative doctor since all of my blood tests came back so I am interested to hear what he has to say.
Have a nice day!
Mandy
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Hi Vivre,
Thank you so much for your reply. Have you asked your hormone doctor who advised you to take the Myomin, about results he has had with other patients taking that to prevent breast cancer reoccurance, and how far out they are from their cancer? This would be helpful info to know and share with others. My gynocolgist believes in balancing hormones. He diagnosed funtional hypothyroidism in me, and adrenal dysfunction. He will do the hormone level test for me. It is a saliva test, but is $210.00, and I doubt insurance will pay for much of that. He too using a compounding pharmacy, but they only sell myomin, they don't make it. However, I would be able to get it cheaper online. I am hoping since Dr. Chi created this stuff, and it is his company that sells it, hopefully it will be good enough to use.
Having all the info in one place would be very helpful for those of us trying to gather all the info, so share with spouses and doctors that we are trying to convince to let us do this. I am hoping that it is the Lord that has allowed me to find about Myomin through you, and that it will be the answer that may keep my cancer from coming back, and also have a number of other positive health benefits also. You may have heard of a number of other herbs from chi enterprises, like angiostop, Revivin, Reshi Spore Extract, and Asparagus Estract. It seems they reccommend this as well as Myomin. I thank you so very much for all that you have posted. If this works as well as we all hope. It is a tremedous God send for all who suffer with arimedix and the like.
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Poet Janet. I am not sure what my Cpham is basing his facts on, because I did not ask, I am at the point where I do not even bother trying to educate my doctors, I just do what I think is right. But he does not do anything without research, so I am sure he would give it to me if I asked. Maybe next time I am there, I will. It sounds like you way ahead of where I was. It took me a long time to get a doctor to help me balance everything. If your doc is suspecting thyroid and adrenal issues, he really should read Dr. Brownstein's book and get you on the iodine therapy right away. It is great that he is looking at this for you, as these is so important to prevention. Dr. Brownstein also talks about DHEA which supports adrenal function. Have your doc check into this. This was another hormone number that was very low for me, and that my doctor has advised me to supplement. Dr. B feels that this is a very important thing to look at, but too much DHEA is dangerous so it is important to make sure you get tests done before and after taking it to keep your levels in a safe zone. As I said, the most frustrating thing for me is the way arimidex and tamox,etc are prescribed without ANY testing. How do they know it works? How do they know who needs what amount? I can see what I am doing is having an effect on my hormone balance because the tests prove it. When will they wake up and stop trying to put us all into the same damn box!
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I thought this article in today's Huffington Post was worth sharing:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/why-cholesterol-may-not-b_b_290687.html
I actually came across it while reading another article, the first in a series about women and happiness (or more accurately -- unhappiness), which certainly impacts our overall well-being:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcus-buckingham/whats-happening-to-womens_b_289511.html
Deanna
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Deanna: Thanks for the links. The cholesterol article was an eye opener for me.
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http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/search?term=diindolylmethane
Clinical trials with DIM
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Deanna,
Thanks for the great link on cholesterol myths! This confirms what the Weston A Price Foundation and a lot of progressive docs say now. Cholesterol-lowering is a medical/pharmaceutical fad.
Also, low cholesterol is associated with cancer. Remember the low fat guru, Dr. Pritikin, was in remission then did low fat veggie to get his cholesterol down and his cancer came back.
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Vivre you are "the light" girl
It is great for new people to join, as I was new in June. i quickly realized it requires a real commitment to work at becoming informed through this site and the various threads. I have had a few awakenings already by doing my homework. Hopefully people will be willing to do their homework and reap the rewards. The "old timers" have been helpful source directors and encouragers but everyone has to be wiling to do their work.
On thyroid: I have continued my research and have been to "stopthemadness" (passed it to some friends already) and to a cancerthinktank discussion group. I am now very comfortable asking my endo. to switch me from synthroid to Naturethroid. If she is not willing, I will go to the pharmacy and ask what docs. do prescribe it and track one of them down.
On diet: I read so much today to catch up I can't remember who cited Sally Fallon's writings, but wanted to say I have read her book Nourishing Traditions, which I think I may have mentioned in early July and it was very helpful at dispelling some prevailing caca from the "diet dictocrats". I too, was hesitant to give up a whole food group like dairy. She helped me understand better how and why animal fats are useful, helpful, necessary etc. I believe she establishes the place for dairy in our diet as well. The key is "what did the cow or chicken or turkey eat?" The key with milk, which is very difficult is getting it raw. The book has wonderful guidance on fermentation and lactofermenting. The whole idea being that many cultures, way less developed than ours, use these methods to create foods and drinks that are already partially digested and full of good stuff for our digestive system so our bodies don't have to work so hard at the process. That is way simplified but makes a lot of sense. We are all good at stating "to each her own here" which is important but I would like to say, her section where she describes the potential concerns of a strict vegetarian is important information. I think all vegans should read it because she notes something like, even some remote/devowed/renowned pops. that are vegans, actually have small quantities of insects that end up in their diet and contribute some key elements. The other factor I think about is that we are carnivores by design which means designed to eat meat and veggies. Years ago I read the "Eating based on your Blood type" book which is also very informative and ties in with one very recent post which noted different diets based on evolution and geography. As always, do your research and then feel at peace with your choices but remember, there is no such thing as "one size fits all" in this gray world we live in.
Danette
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Deanna--that was a great article on cholesterol! I forwarded it around. Good to know more on what it actually is. I haven't had the basic HDL, LDL done since 2006 (pre-BC) so I need to have it done again to see where I am.
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Deanna, That was great.
Has anyone here had the "C-reactive protein" levels checked? Inflammation marker. This may be something to look into. Lots of info that Cancer is also "inflammation" based.
Spring.
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Spring ~ I think the C-reactive protein level is a common one for PCP's to check when they do overall bloodwork. I had it as part of that extensive testing mine did when I finished my tx, and it was normal -- athough, come to think of it, I ought to go back and see if the traditional "normal" for that is good enough, according to Doc who wrote that article. So many normal ranges may be okay if you're healthy, but maybe not so ideal if you've had bc, don't you think? Anyway, check your most recent bloodwork. It may be on there. Deanna
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Spring, I was just reading about this in Anticancer, A New Way of Life. The author talks about doctors in Scotland who check for inflammation using C Reactive Protein and Albumin. This is how they determine the risk of cancer associated with inflammation:
Minimal Risk - CRP less than 10 AND Albumin greater than 35
Medium Risk - CRP greater than 10 OR Albumin less than 35
High Risk - CRP greater than 10 AND Albumin less than 35
He also says that anti-inflammatory agents can be found in green tea and Resveratrol - two substances that keep coming up over and over in regard to fighting cancer.
It is a really good book with great information and I am only on Chapter 4!
Deni
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Deanna! Loved that article! I was told I had high cholesterol about 3 years ago, doc wanted me on a statin, and true to form, I said no! anyway long story short, I did a bunch of research at the time, and decided then that high cholesterol isn't dangerous, its all about the ratio, and even more importantly the homocysteine (sp?) levels. I once again, had to analyse my blood work report by myself, trying figure it all out, my HDL levels have always been at 85+ and my ratio was great, so I didn't see how a statin would help, this info is a long time coming!! shish!!
Spring! I did have my c-reactive protein checked with the naturopathic doc, I will check the report when I get home, as I can't remember what it said! Did you get the results of your 2:16 Ratio urine test?
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Deni ~ Are those albumin readings 35 or 3.5? Mine was 3.5, and it looks like the normal range is 3.4 to 5.0, while the normal range for the CRP is 0.00 to 3.00. Is Servan-Schreiber (I think that's his name; haven't read that book yet) suggesting that our ranges need to be much higher than the "normal" range, or is he talking something other than gm/DL, the unit they use? Deanna
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I don't have the book in print but on audio CD so I cannot see the table that he mentions. But, he does say that the unit of measure is based on the level of inflammation per liter so it sounds like a different measure. I'm not sure how you would convert that (I'm terrible with metric conversions!)
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Deni ~ It sounds like he's just used a multiple of 10 in both cases, so I'm thinking the results and ratio on my report is okay. Thanks, and great idea to get some of these books on audio! It's so hard to find the time to sit down and read them all! I often have several going at once, and rarely finish any of them. Deanna
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I think you are probably right about the multiples of 10.
Yeah, my stack of books to read is growing every day. When I saw this one was available on audio, I thought it would be great to listen to it while driving or downloading it to my iPod for when I take walks. I know you do a lot of walking too - it is a great way to accomplish two of our most important tasks at once - reading and exercising!
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Okay. My HDL was 58 at last check. What should I be doing to up it?
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