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Here are some useful links on the SIGG thing
CEO apologizes - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-wasik/sigg-ceo-im-sorry_b_278291.html
Color comparison of liners: http://mysigg.com/liner/
Exchange program: http://mysigg.com/bulletin/exchange_program.html
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sorry Spring! I know I wrote here about the SIGG bottle (which I loved) and should have posted back when the news came out. I think I have an older one--which is beat up now anyway since I dropped it on a hike--so I got rid of it. I'm sure they are fine now although the co is experiencing bad PR b/c of the whole thing. Not a good plan on their part!! I'm sure there are other alternatives--I still need to investigate that...I think stainless steel is good and you don't want unprotected aluminum as it is bad to get direct contact...
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At least SIGG has opted to discontinue using BPA in their products and acknowledged that there are concerns about using it. I was very fond of my Tervis tumblers until I learned they contain BPA. I wrote to them months ago to inquire about it. They admitted to using it in their products and sent me documents from the FDA to convince me that it's safe. Yeah, right. I don't use them anymore.
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I really liked this site for info about DIM http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T271923.html It is helpfull for so many things!!!!!
Patty
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I figured out another way to cut down on plastic in my house. I finally got my hands on some 1.5 litre wine bottles, which hold one gallon with some room to spare. I'm now buying my drinking water from watermill express and I've been feeling better lately. I will continue collecting the large bottles until I have a dozen. That will be part of my hurricane preparedness plan. It will save money, keep some bottles out of the landfill, and reduce the amount of plastic in my home. The water is reverse osmosis, filtered twice for particle sizes and once through charcoal, exposed to UV light and more. Thankfully it's been a quiet hurricane year, but the drought really trashed our water quality, which is not so great on a good day. I really suspect poor water quality accounted for several days in august when I felt really crappy. Now I'm drinking more liquids again and feeling confident about the quality of my water.
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swine flu is hitting us as you all know...seen it here....was reading on alternative to combat it and thought good time to post....
Vit A, Garlic, zinc, Vitamin C, Echinacea, L lysine are just a few....
I was exposed today....took garlic, vitamin and B complex, and a cough drop with zinc
Kyolic is the best garlic, and sublingual echinacea are recommended. Plenty of fluids and rest are crucial.
Audrey, appreciate the bottle info....such a simple element in life that is crucial to living has become contaminated. I opt for distilled water....in my county the city water keeps sending out letters that the water has been contaminated with chemicals that could be cancer causing...makes me sick to think about. makes you wonder if the chemicals can be filtered out. so the distilled water comes in a gallon plastic jug.....which is better...
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Vit. A in pill form (synthetic A) I wouldn't take. It offsets the D we're taking, making it hard for us to absorb D. But A in food is a better choice. Carrots, spinach and a host of other veggies are all good sources.
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Came across this today ~
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/a-cure-for-cancer-eating_b_298282.html
There's also a link at the bottom of the article to the T. Colin Campbell Foundation-- http://www.tcolincampbell.org/. Looks like he & the foundation are affiliated with Cornell, which ups his credibility a notch with me. And there's a lead article on the foundation website about Breast Cancer.
Some of the comments on the Huffington article are also very interesting. Deanna
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just wrote a whole paragraph that got deleted. arrrgh.
I emailed my RO regarding the numbers and asked for absolute risk vs relative risk. her numbers were 25-30% reoccurance w/o rads w only a lumpectomy. My surgeon said 40%. The RO said that the chemo has trouble getting to the blood supply post surgery so cancer cells could linger in the breast and the radiation causes ionization of the cells and prevents replicationby breaking the DNA which cancer cells can't repair like normal cells. The beam is 2/3 hydroxy radicals and 1/3 direct action. I asked for the clincial study as well to send to my guru friend to make sense for me, since stats can be written rather selectively. - she has been thru it and opted out of radiation but had a mast.
My next concern is DIM. I want to do it but I still question it. Ive heard that I can't do iodine if I do it bc DIM blocks the iodine. I had a lumpectomy and I don't process vitamin D and Im estrogen dominant. I refuse tamoxifen. I think its blanket therapy for indivual disease, it does more harm then good. I don't think as a pre-meno-woman, I need to supress my hormones for five years. Its too centralized and they need to find something better. fuckers..
sorry feeling such anxiety lately.
Sea Otter, thank you for the DIM link. Its very helpful, I have one question though. For estrogen dominance and breast cancer it had a high rating yet for "low sex hormone binding globulin" its not rec's as- hormonalAromatase inhibitors such as DIM, I3C, and Chrysin should be avoided, as they will enhance any preexisting androgen/estrogen dominance. Dosen't that conflict what they said about "hormone therapy" and "breast cancer" for estrogen dom?
Ill let ya all know what I hear. Hope if there are any Georgians on here, you are doing ok,.
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Deanna, yeah, plant based again! My Osteopathic Endocrinologist suggests I become Vegan. A lot to consider. I do eat way less animal protein than I used to... I think my main thing is that I am unsure how to get adequate protein without some meat (chicken) and eggs.
My doctor says beans. Maybe I need bean recipes!!!
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Spring, yes I have read how good beans are for us. Also quinoa (which I always forget to make) is a complete protein so very good.
Deanna-good article--and maybe he is right. Certainly studies have shown that reducing red meat (at least conventionally produced red meat) is shown to be beneficial. Some of the logic which bothers me--such as the all or nothing comment suggesting people can't learn the proper balance....but obviously he is well respected.
I wonder if he did look at organic, properly fed animals too. Perhaps the problem isn't the animal protein but the crappy protein that is a result of our production processes today...
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I know what you mean, Allie, and I totally agree that a 100% vegan diet (or any 100% diet) probably isn't right for everyone. But aside from casein and animal fat and those things, I sometimes wonder now about the possibility of sick animals or products from them getting into our food supply. For example, cows and chickens get cancer, don't they? So how do we know that we're not possibly eating the meat of an animal that had cancer cells? I'm not sure being grass fed or range free or hormone-free totally assures a disease-free product; or maybe that's a needless worry?
I do know that as much as I've tried, I'll never get my DH, who was brought up on a cattle ranch, to give up meat, which I can no longer stand to even look at raw. Deanna
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Deanna, I loved both of those links you posted, thanks. On the huffington site you can find out what the good anti-oxidant waters are. The coconut water seems very interesting!!
Patty
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I went on a holistic cruise last year. It was very educational with lectures and classes. I am not going to be able to go this year but I thought I would pass the info on to others. It is www.atasteofhealth.org and Dr. T. Colin Campbell will be a speaker. If anyone is planning a cruise, this is the one to take.
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Deanna--I know they don't put sick cows into the food system so I think that is less of a worry than the food they give them which is not their natural diet, which necessitates antibiotics (some of which are given proactively) and which fattens them up a a very fast pace (again, unnatural). So we've got animals in the food supply with growth hormones, antibiotics, high levels of unnatural fat and much higher levels of omega 6 to omega 3. (We need omega 6 fats also but you have to watch the ratio.) We've also got as a result the antibiotics and the hormones getting into the water system and the soil. All so people can eat $1.99 hamburgers several times a week. And kids are eating this stuff! I cringe every time I hear a friend say she took her kids for a happy meal...
I heard a good quote that it's not just what you eat; it's what your food ate--or something like that...
Sorry--will get off my soap box!
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Ok, I can't keep quiet any more. Here is something I saw that was the final straw a convinced me not to eat meat. I was behind a truck full of pigs going to slaughter. They were stacked 3 rows high with 3 pigs crowded into tiny cages to the point where they could not move. The pigs were so distraught they were frothing at the mouth and panting hard. On one of the top rows there was a pig that was actually barfing and it was falling all over the faces of the pigs below.
Never ate meat after that. It was "ICK " for me on so many levels.
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There is a movie out (documentary) called "Food, Inc." It really shows where the food comes from and is quite disturbing. It is a must see for people that care about what they eat, about animals and about the environment.
Merilee-Meat makes me sick on so many levels too. Can you imagine if the truck had been full of dogs packed in like that what the outrage would have been? And I have read that pigs are actually smarter than dogs. It is awful what humans do to animals.
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AllieM22, actually last year the Humane Society conducted an undercover investigation at a california slaughter house that showed "downer cows" were being introduced into the US food supply. Congress flipped out, ordered the slaugherhouse owners to appear (before congress), shut the plant down, federal agents arrested a couple of employees and congress determined the owners were responsible (owners said they didn't know what was happening). I watched some of the footage and it was a horror - I hope every person who knew of the abuses and profited from them suffers. Worse yet, this plant was a national supplier of school lunches - this is what our kids were eating. I don't eat red meat/chicken/pork (haven't since I was a teenager), but if I did it would be local, free range, organic fed.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4441247&page=1
http://www.house.gov/list/press/ny05_ackerman/PR_013008.html
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Merilee- God bless you - someone else would have remained unaffected and ordered up a Big Mac an hour later. I read a book a couple of weeks ago about a professor from MIT who spent 30 years researching animal intelligence and understanding. She had a parrot (Alex) and basically, they determined that he had an intelligence of a child. For example, at one point the professor asked Alex (the parrot) to count up the color of blue blocks (amoung 10 blocks). There were 2 blue blocks, but Alex mentioned every number but 2. The professor knew Alex was teasing her so she said ("Okay alex, I think you need a time out") - and she went to move him into his cage - at which point alex started screaming "I'm sorry, I'm sorry - two, two" - demonstrating that not only could he decipher colors and count, but he could reason and tease. Incidentally, when Alex died it was a world event - it hit all the news stations and newspapers. It was a signficant finding. Scientist have also found that pigs have a comparative level of intelligence to a three year old child.
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I'm still a work in progress. I had a hamburger yesterday. Chicken is the meat I haven't had in the longest time. Pamela Anderson has a youtube video about the conditions at farms for KFC. Turned me right off chicken and then some. Factory farms are not only deplorable because of the filthy conditions and suffering of the animals, but the people who work in them would have to choke off a part of their humanity just to show up for work every day. There's some very disturbing behavior of people caught on video also. I've found a local farm that sells free range chickens, and I've decide my next meal of chicken will be one of their birds.
Ultimately, the best way to be kind to animals is to not eat them.
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Althea - I agree with you 1000% and couldn't have said it better - especially about choking "off a part of their humanity".
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I once saw how they treated young baby cows to make "veal" and that was it for me. I've never touched it since.
Beans and Quinoa huh? sigh.
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Once you try a free range chicken you will never go back. Whole foods has the best I have found! That is the only "meat" that I eat.
j414, I remember Alex. He was amazing. I have a parakeet that I can only hope he is has half the intelligence as Alex!!! lol I don't think that is going to happen!!!
Ivory, what kind of protein shake do you buy? I have so much trouble trying to find some without soy
.Patty
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Yeah and all those farting cows are depleting the ozone.
The fact is humans are carnivores. Animals eat animals. Bears eat cats. Hawks eat squirrels, etc. etc. While I do not eat much meat,I am not going to stress out about doing so once in awhile. Farmers have been raising and slaughtering animals since humans and animals were put on this earth. When we eat a plant, we essentially kill it too. Should we feel guiltly about that? One of the reasons many vegetarians are not healthy is because they do not get B12, which we only get in meat, or supplements. Now do not get me wrong, I do think we need to demand that our food supply is cleaned up and that animals need to be treated more humanely, but I just cannot get all worked up that we all need to be vegetarians, even though I am almost one.
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Springtime - I don't think you are doomed to eating beans and quinoa!
It IS totally heartbreaking to find out how livestock is treated these days - but as althea suggested, you can buy chicken directly from a farmer. Granted, it's more trouble to travel to the farm to buy food, but if you are adamant about humane treatment, there is nothing more certain than inspecting the place with your own two eyes.
Here is a different way to look a this - we are never going to stop all people from eating meat. When you support a farm that is humane, you enable them to compete. The more prosperous they become, the more they can pressure their competition to shape up.
I didn't know some things before I started farming, and I think a lot people are also unaware of some really goofy laws in the US... Warning before you on- the content may bother some folks-
When I started raising livestock, I decided I wouldn't be raising animals specifically for meat. We wanted eggs, wool, and dairy. Still, there are always some animals who have problems - and we can't possibly afford to maintain them.
So I thought alot about how to deal with them. I thought about how I would want my own life to end if I had a say in it. Like most folks, I wanted it quick, painless, and I didn't want to see it coming - no stress.
While nature is not so kind to guarantee all that - I knew that I certainly provide that to them. (Or so I thought, but more on that in minute)
I felt like I could sleep at night knowing that the animals in my care lived a good life and died in such a humane way - relaxed right here in their familiar surroundings, no trucks or shipping, being offered the biggest most delicous bucket of food they've ever seen, and then knowing nothing more.
But when I looked into US law - I discovered I could not legally sell the meat if wanted to do that. Federal law requires that meat for retail must have been slaughtered in a USDA inspected plant - period.
(BTW, that downed cow incident mentioned earlier was a USDA "supposedly" inspected plant!) I was horrified, pissed, and really really sad to learn that we have this wonderfully humane, organic, pasture raised food and I can't sell it. (Chicken is an exception, BTW.)
Some farms have found a new way to get around this ignorant law, but it's still not widely available. There are USDA inspected mobile units that travel to the farm in some places - so if you really want meat, but you care about humane, you could start asking for that.
It's no wonder so many folks get put off of eating meat entirely.
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I'm here and really learning a lot. But in my work i'm a therapist so i can't help but notice a couple of things. LB's first couple of posts were more attacking than assertive, but then after that if you really noticed, she replied to each and tried hard to compliment those that she had made a mistake in, such as saying only veg and fruit that can't be washed, which i also found interesting.
We don't know what's fueling anyone's feelings. Her comments changed to positive and informative.
I was rather appalled that anyone would tell someone that had gone through any kind of treatment that they shouldn't have, because they were stage 0. I am never going to question anyone on what they have done, they have reasons, just like you all do. i just admire anyone who is on this trip and surviving the best they can.
I'm kind of surprised for people who have posted that they have been attacked and reviled, that you are not more careful not to do the same back.
You never know when someone's anger may be a call for help and friendship, or a sign of depression. She also went on to say how exercise had helped her. I think she was trying, I'm saddened no one else saw it.
Luck to all of you. Please don't jump on me because i havent' updated my profile with diag. and treatment. Just encouraging everyone to walk in other's shoes for just a bit.
Hope your link works well for you all. But right now, I'm feeling a little appalled and sickened by your behavior even though i think you are all probably wonderful women.
LB, i have a feeling you want to help and share info so people don't hurt themselves, and also share some of the dietary and exercise experience you've had, if you're even still looking.
Right now, the group dynamics here reminded me of how powerful a group is. But it can be positive or negative. Each of us is as important as anyone else. Sounds like you guys have experienced negative power of the group before, make sure you don't become what you hate.
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Hey, no one has mentioned the poor fish!!! What about the lobsters screaming when put in a pot of boiling water. Oh, and the wonderful bottom dwelling fish. They have to eat all the crap at the bottom of lakes, streams and the ocean.
I do hope everyone knows never by farm raised fish.
Patty
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Seaotter - you would really like the book (Alex and Me), it is about the extraordinaly relationship b/w the professor and the bird. And it also explains how she was able to teach him to communicate - I really enjoyed it. I'm sure your parakeet is a lot smarter than he let's on!
Springtime - I agree, the veal thing is an atrocity.
vivre- most vegetarians are extremely healthy b/c a diet composed of mainly cruciferous vegetables is considered the healthiest diet possible - and it's also generally regarded as the the anti cancer diet. Hopkins has been touting the plant based diet as a tumor suppressor for the last 14 years and dozens of studies have emerged supporting the same (I posted a bunch of links on the O Tamoxifen board). Of course, if the vegetarian is stuffing himself with simple carbs (pasta, rice, breads), then that is as unhealthy as a diet rich in red meat. But in any case, a B12 deficincy is a negliglble consequence of being a vegetarian, and very easily remedied - as opposed to a diet high in saturated fat and cholesterol, damaged arteries/heart disease, a significantly elevated risk for cancer.
Shepard - excellent points. I only buy "happy cow" milk (cow grazing, organic milk from upstate New York) and humane eggs. Granted, my food bills are pretty high - I live in manhattan and anything organic and/or humane is double/triple the price, but for me it's worth it.
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Thanks j414 I will put that on my list. Alex was an African Grey, right? I have always wanted one but boy are they expensive and they live forever!!!!!
Patty
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Yes, Alex was an african grey and he died at the age of 31, which is (as you mentioned) very young for that breed - but what a personality on him!
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