GRRRRRRRRR I HATE LE..........
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I lived on Clif Bars, Power Bars and the like before BC. I also used to take Estroven to deal with some peri-menopause symptoms and to double as a multi-vitamin. Needless to say.... no soy protein isolate for me either! I now eat Larabars (thanks sarasowise). I do not take Tamoxifen either. Tried it and decided I had been through enough already with surgery, chemo and rads. SE's versus quality of life.
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Southbeach diet bars here - and yes I think I was the one who started this rant... no soy for me either.
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Dawn, just been trying to find a "link-up" I thought Id read way back that yams were an estrogen producing food but so far no dice... might try and do a search on BC.ORG ...I know Ive seen it somewherez...
meantime...our yams in NZ are YUMMY. I grow them but have backed off because of the question mark over estrogen and they are as easy as to grow as they are in the oxalis family. Their foliage looks like a type of clover. According to Wikepedia it says ours are the real yams.
Their taste is exquisite to say the least. I cannot really describe it as its unique but I'll give it a go.... They have a tang but are sweet and it makes a huge difference as to how you cook them. Theyre delectable when done with a roast (meaning, yes its done in fat) or done in fry pan with butter.... I won't touch margarine with a barge pole. (persish the thought ) I've heard it said marg is one molecule away from being plastic.... lol ...taste alone can tell you that without the study. Around my BC Dx I decided to get back to good ol tucker as it was back in the day...margarine was definitely on the hit list. Back to the yams... I think if theyre steamed or boiled theyre insipid and lose that lovely characteristic sweet tang and they can go anywhere between mushy to quite floury. (not nice
)Densie ... Im really sorry about about your large tumor and that a hospital of all places fed you this diet, but then soy is a protected industry. It is the darling of the food industry. How many of us are continually fed lies lies and more lies about food safety when in fact it's toxic. GE, MSG, Aspartame, processed foods, irradiated foods on and on. Theres one thing I know... when you look at enough info, sometimes it's the little things that finally "seal it for you" where the evidence sought for resolves the matter. What Im saying is "studies" can be swayed and biased which, until one looks at the small print, doesnt become evident. The criterion for blinded tests and the requirements are very stringent and many times you will find because these havent been followed then youre back to square one. As such, these studies can still leave you with questions. The owners of Soyonlinesevice, a website dedicated to exposing the horrors of soy has now disppeared offline ...small wonder. The owners met an untimely death beginning of last year (I believe). The site can still be found on the waybackmachine (internet repository) .... who knows how long this will up before it "conveniently" disappears.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110822023922/http://soyonlineservice.co.nz/
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Posts came in while I was doing mine...
The more I read about genetically modified food, the more it scares me.
Dawne, +1
gma no rant can be strong enough against soy.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110808203041/http://soyonlineservice.co.nz/01history.htm
QUOTEThe History of SoyLearn the truth about the historical use of soy
Just how much soy did Asians eat?
In short, not that much, and contrary to what the industry may claim soy has never been a staple in Asia. A study of the history of soy use in Asia shows that it was used by the poor during times of extreme food shortage, and only then the soybeans were carefully prepared (e.g. by lengthy fermentation) to destroy the soy toxins. Yes, the Asians understood soy alright!
Many vegetarians in the USA, and Europe and Australasia would think nothing of consuming 8 ounces (about 220 grams) of tofu and a couple of glasses of soy milk per day, two or three times a week. But this is well in excess of what Asians typically consume; they generally use small portions of soy to complement their meal. It should also be noted that soy is not the main source of dietary protein and that a regime of calcium-set tofu and soy milk bears little resemblance to the soy consumed traditionally in Asia.
Perhaps the best survey of what types/quantities of soy eaten in Asia comes from data from a validated, semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire that surveyed 1242 men and 3596 women who participated in an annual health check-up program in Takayama City, Japan. This survey identified that the soy products consumed were tofu (plain, fried, deep-fried, or dried), miso, fermented soybeans, soy milk, and boiled soybeans. The estimated amount of soy protein consumed from these sources was 8.00 ± 4.95 g/day for men and 6.88 ± 4.06 g/day for women (Nagata C, Takatsuka N, Kurisu Y, Shimizu H; J Nutr 1998, 128:209-13).
According to KC Chang, editor of Food in Chinese Culture, the total caloric intake due to soy in the Chinese diet in the 1930's was only 1.5%, compared with 65% for pork.
For more information on the traditional use of soy products contact the Weston A Price Foundation.
The chief concern we have about the consumption of large amounts of soy is that there is a risk of mega-dosing on isoflavones. If soy consumers follow the advice of Protein Technologies International (manufacturers of isolated soy protein) and consume 100 grams of soy protein per day, their daily genistein intake could easily exceed 200 milligrams per day. This level of genistein intake should definitely be avoided. For comparison, it should be noted that Japanese males consume, on average, less than 10 milligrams of genistein per day (Fukutake M, Takahashi M, Ishida K, Kawamura H, Sugimura T, Wakabayashi K; Food Chem Toxicol 1996, 34:457-61).
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Did anybody see Dr. Oz's show last week on soy? It made me want to scream. He obviously is getting something from somebody. Here is something from his web site saying soy is okay and not the cause of breast cancer. I avoid it as much as possible. It is in everything.
Concern #1: Soy will give me breast cancer.
Verdict: One may associate soy with breast cancer because science associates excess estrogen exposure to breast cancer. Soy contains a group of natural plant chemicals called isoflavones. They are found in small amounts in a number of legumes, grains and vegetables; however, soybeans are the most concentrated source of isoflavones in our diet. Since isoflavones bind to estrogen receptors, they can have similar effects to estrogen, but not nearly as strong as animal-based estrogen. Human estrogen is over 1000-times stronger.
However, isoflavones also have non-hormonal effects on the body that are very positive. They help regulate cell growth, which actually safeguards against some cancers. They also play roles in regulating cholesterol levels. Multiple studies on soy have associated eating plenty of soy with lower rates of breast cancer, especially in Asian populations. Furthermore, there are lower rates of breast cancer in many Asian countries, where diets are higher in soy.
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Did anybody see Dr. Oz's show last week on soy? It made me want to scream. He obviously is getting something from somebody. Here is something from his web site saying soy is okay and not the cause of breast cancer. I avoid it as much as possible. It is in everything.
Concern #1: Soy will give me breast cancer.
Verdict: One may associate soy with breast cancer because science associates excess estrogen exposure to breast cancer. Soy contains a group of natural plant chemicals called isoflavones. They are found in small amounts in a number of legumes, grains and vegetables; however, soybeans are the most concentrated source of isoflavones in our diet. Since isoflavones bind to estrogen receptors, they can have similar effects to estrogen, but not nearly as strong as animal-based estrogen. Human estrogen is over 1000-times stronger.
However, isoflavones also have non-hormonal effects on the body that are very positive. They help regulate cell growth, which actually safeguards against some cancers. They also play roles in regulating cholesterol levels. Multiple studies on soy have associated eating plenty of soy with lower rates of breast cancer, especially in Asian populations. Furthermore, there are lower rates of breast cancer in many Asian countries, where diets are higher in soy.
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It all goes back to the TYPE of soy.
As already posted, there are powerful lobbies in the U.S. pushing GMO soy.
IMO, it is toxic and a poison.
I've cut soy out of my diet. Since it is practically in everything, (it is even in some herbal teas!) I'm eating mostly raw food and cooking everything from scratch.0 -
Ladies I don't know whats happened to my formatting or my post which seems incomplete above. Is your formatting skewiff on this page or is it just me?
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Musical - it is skewed on my iPad.
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Thx Dawne, I've posted to the Mods in the "glitch" forum somewhere near the bottom of BC.Org.
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yep it is off big time...the reason I deleted my first post because it appeared I posted to a reply to GMS's post... weird. Hope they fix it soon.
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My ankle is swollen yet again worse than last night. Doc did take me off of Lyrica and back on gabapentin. It looked ok this morning. What is going on?
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Just come back in from a late lunch.... Mods have answered and mine appears to be fixed. I wont bother with fixing the link to Weston A Price Foundation as I have a link to the article anyway, which caused the glitch.
OH Gma, Im sorry you are having this going on with your leg. I thought it looked quite swollen and from the little I could see of your other leg/ankle theres something going on. Is it painful at all? The thing you have to watch like a hawk for is if theres any suggestion of redness and if it expands. I take it you are well up on cellulitis. Im sorry, was it you saying you were going to see Doc soon? You need this sorted.
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The pain doc took me off of Lyrica today and I see th BS tomorrow. So hopefully, between the two of them, we can sort this out.
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I start back in the LE Clinic Monday. Three days a week for two weeks. Oh how I missed being wrapped...never.
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......and being wrapped in the summer is especially pleasant.
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I had to have my hand wrapped once but over all sleeves seem to work - being most of my stuff is in the breast.
I ranted about my BS visit on another topic. But the short of it: I heard alot of "hmmmm I don't know" - he doesn't seem to think my pain is "his fault" and not in the breast, but ordered an ultrasound to rule out a neuroma. He did measure one spot on both arms and said, "Hmmm your good arm is 1 inch bigger than the bad.. I don't know" and went through all the tests done ruling out vascular issues and told me I was unique and complicated. That wasn't even what I went in for... frustrated and ready to give up - it must all be in my head and no one sees or feels the issue - so it must not be there... is this the Lyrica withdrawl talking??? I am really down.
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Okay, let's see if I can remember everything I want to write since I can't look back a page without losing my post, lol!
Binney, I think my BS was saying 2 years to get it under control and back to something close to normal because I've had 3 insults to my lymph system, (breast reduction surgery in '09, my lumpectomy in Nov. and then radiation therapy.) she said it will take a while for my body to make new lymph channels and in the meantime I need to do MLD and exercises. I think I'm going to pass on the Kinesio tape wraps in the future. The Philips Milk of Magnesia did not help this past week. I was soooo itchy! In fact, I think it's what has led to my 2nd round of cellulitis. I started my antibiotics yesterday (thankfully I know what it looks like now and can hopefully avoid a trip to the hospital.). This is getting old really quickly!!
I've never been a soy fan but had no idea until I started looking into the different forms of soy how many products contain soy! The Standard Process Complete powder I used to use in my smoothies contains soy lecithin. I did find a whey protein powder that is soy-free called action whey from Emerald Essentials. It comes in vanilla and choc. It's okay. Hopefully the market for soy-free products will grow like the gluten free industry has.
Gma, sorry to hear you're down and your BS doesn't sound like much help! I love my gabapentin. I'm on 300, 3xday. It doesn't make me tired. I did switch my Tamoxifen back to nighttime because it was causing me terrible fatigue during the day. I guess I'll just have to deal with the leg cramps in the middle of the night. Please hang in there. If you don't think you're satisfied with your BS, maybe get another opinion?? I tend to ask for females when I can. I want a doctor who knows what it feels like to go hormonal before her period or go thru childbirth. I hear from so many friends who've had a male doctor who dismissed their symptoms. I could go on and on. But I better not, I better go to bed, ha! Hugs to all!0 -
Musical,
Eating yams in moderation is fine. Try them the following very easy ways:
Wash and split into 2. Rub some oil (I use olive) on the cut surface and sprinkle some salt. Bake at 350 till done. Check with a fork. Yummy Yams and little fat.
More grease but still controllable: Peel yams and cut into little sticks (I do this with a chip disk in my Magimix) or slices. Brush some oil on a foil wrapped tray. Put the yam pieces on top. Mix some oil with onion soup powder and brush over the yams. Bake in oven. Don't overdo the grease and it will still taste good. Sometimes I do this with different veggies sa oinion pieces, peper strips and zucchini sticks. (even carrots). Different veggies need different baking times, so keep each group separate and remove from oven when done. If you use a brush you can really minmize on oil. Is it delicious cold or warm.
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dassi youre making me hungry lol! Zucchini's YUM. I love baked veges. When you say eating yams in moderation is fine, are you saying this because theyre are estrogenic? I still havent come across any material about this.
I also love olive oil and after a hoohaa about it being "not the real deal" I decided to look into it. I was using it to oil my skin but now Ive got organic coconut oil which apparently can be used in cooking as well.Our supermarkets are filled with bogus stuff touted as pure with labels such as extra virgin olive oil etc. Well it's not apparently. One thing they say is a dead giveaway is it should be a gentle green shade and not yellow which is indicative that its been fiddled with. Most of ours here is various shades of yellow. However I know of someone in the South Island that grows it organically and there are other organic options.
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Our local Farmer's Market (I live in Canada) has an olive oil vendor whose product comes from Greece. From his family groves. As he says, "know your source". It IS great olive oil.
Edit for corrections..........sigh......as always.
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Marple, some of ours comes from Greece as well, or so it says. These days rip off merchants abound... is it any wonder we get more skeptical. Another thing thats a really sneaky trick is they put it in green bottles so you cant tell what colour it is. Great eh?
Thats pretty good you are able to know your source.
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I have a grrrrr. I hate foot IV's, thanks lymphedema. I had to have a CT today. The CT supervisor was called to put an IV in my foot. He took a long time trying to find a vein and didn't seem confident. He chose a spot near my toe and I cried (literally) in pain as he tried to get it in. The vein was spasming. I finally cried, " Try another vein!" He switched feet and put it in no problem in a vein by my ankle. I will ha be bruising. This is the third IV in my foot I've had and by far the worst. And they couldn't get a CT! They blamed it on the foot I.V throwing off the timing of the injectable dye AND on my lack of lymph nodes! As I said grrrrr. My PS needs a picture of my belly blood vessels before DIEP surgery on the 18th. They may try an (IV-less) Doppler ultrasound. But I'll be darned if I am going to give up any of my fun pre-surgery plans for it.
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Haha! And I have to have another foot IV for surgery!
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Ooo - I wished I would have fought for foot IV my last surgery - they were causing such a fuss and the seroma was infected - needed it out and just said forget it and they used the back of the hand... Woke up with a BP cuff on the lower arm too.. took me a month to get the swell down.
Need to ask a question - I almost sure its not LE but having alot of ankle and calf swelling and the doc wants me to get a pair of Moderate compression socks - Any suggestions on what type.
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Gma, phooey on the ankle and calf swelling!
I like the cotton socks from BrightLifeDirect. They're called Allegro Italian Luxury Support Socks for Men and Women. You can order "Swing" at 15-20mmHg or "Samba" at 20-25mmHg (Class I). I like them because they're reasonably comfortable, especially in the heat. Swing is $16.95 a pair and Samba is $19.95. I see they also have a Microfiber stocking in about the same price range. From July 5-31 they're all on sale--buy three pair get one free. No shipping, I believe, and a great return policy. Nice folks, too.
Let us know what you discover!
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Thank you for answering Binney - I use Brightlife for my sleeves and gloves - I am going to have the LE therapist look at them today too... The doc I went to sluffed it off on getting of the tamoxifen, but I think more is going on.. Just need my new PCP and she won't be here until August.
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I have a question. Have you ever just felt horrible after having MLD? I have slept most of the afternoon today. Just don't feel good in general. Not sure if it was the MLD or if I am trying to get sick. This is day two of being wrapped and I go back Friday. She is trying to massage it out of my neck and back and wrapping to hopeful prevent it from backing back down the arm. She did work on me longer today than yesterday and that could be it. The spot in my neck feels better already so I know she has moved fluid.
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I am so fudging over this hot,humid weather. We keep having storms but no nice dry cold front behind them, at least not one to make it comfortable. Blech.
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