Treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally
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https://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/wp-content/uploads...
This link is the transcript of an interview that Chris Wark did with Dr Joel Fuhrman about nutrition and boosting immunity. The actual video can be seen on Chris Wark's web page, ChrisBeatCancer.com
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Great link - thanks GoKale!
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I've read that melatonin might reduce estrogen as well as increasing the effectiveness of drugs that affect estrogen. This study listed/described many studies, concluding that it should be studied. You might want to track down the specific studies that are cited. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6017232/
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Booboo, I second contacting exbrnxgrl. She is very knowledgeable and also very kind.
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Thanks all. I did contact her, and she was very helpful. I appreciate all of your responses. God bless.
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great question ..no answer
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I am wondering if anyone knows anyone premenoposal with high Er with lots of nodes involved and just went natural with no reoccurrence
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Sorry Aseye, I haven’t heard of any. I chose not to take AIs but I was 62 at diagnosis. I am taking a DIM supplement (in addition to a bunch of others that I was taking before my diagnosis) and do take melatonin more nights than not for sleep-had no idea it may reduce estrogen until I read it above in this thread. Hope you find a treatment course that works for you
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Aseye, anyone who would encourage a premenopausal woman with IIIB cancer and 20/21 positive nodes who is at such extremely high risk of recurrence and especially metastatic disease does not have their best interest at heart, or is extremely unschooled and ignorant as to the consequences of ignoring best medical practices
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MelissaDallas thanks for your thoughts I have under gone all conventional treatment available for me and currently on tamoxifen. I asked because this is a tread for treating estrogen responsive cancer naturally so I'm wondering if anyone has a success story to share
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Aseye...I never took an aromatase inhibitor. Ive been trying to lower my estrogen levels naturally since my diagnosis almost 6 years ago. I lost 30 pounds, try to exercise daily and take several supplements. So far so good!
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dtad... did you have lymph nodes involved, were you premenoposal or post menopausal at diagnosis
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Aseye - there is a thread for stage 2 with lymph node involvement here that maybe you can ask the question to:
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/145/topics/743397?page=75#idx_2232
As for me, I did the surgery (lumpectomy) to remove the lump, followed by radiation since I had 2 positive nodes, and am also on tamoxifen. I chose a middle path - while I said yes to some treatment, I also said no to some (said no to a full axillary node dissection due to the high risk of lymphedema for example, and luckily had a low enough Oncotype score where I did not need chemo).
I’m 2.5 years out so currently in the feeling fine but still anxious stage. Hopefully one day we can all come back here as success stories
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hi dtad I'd love to hear which supplements you're taking. I had surgery 2 wks ago for same stats as yours but had lumpectomy. Pretty sure no meds for me so thinking of I3C. I'm already on a 100% whole food plant based diet so am very thin. I exercise daily but think I'll step that up after reading your posts
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I have not necessarily given up on medications but I stopped Tamoxifen in late December after six months because I turned pre-diabetic quickly and my provider suspected that I may be a non-responder due to my DCIS progression during that time (I'm currently planning surgery and was in a clinical trial for active monitoring). I don't want to take AI's for various reasons.
Since I stopped Tamoxifen, I decided to start BreastDefend a month ago, which has DIM and other ingredients that I believe are natural aromatase inhibitors. I have noticed that the shoulder pain I had on Tamoxifen, which was minor but definitely worsened a bit (I had some stiffness before starting it), has really flared up on BreastDefend. I am starting to think, well, maybe this means it's working? I have heard general comments re: Tamoxifen that if you have no symptoms, it may not be working much for you. I didn't have any bad side effects other than turning insulin resistant.
Has anyone else experienced joint pain on DIM or other natural aromatase inhibitors?
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No provider told me to take it, I opted to take it while waiting for surgery. I will ask an oncologist about it when I have that appointment in the next month. I am currently on nothing as I wait for surgery. My shoulder joint pain has gone down since I stopped it. Not sure if it's the DIM or not. My biggest concern first is to address the pre diabetes that Tamoxifen caused and get my blood sugar / triglycerides under control. I am not willing to start another medication until I have this fixed through dietary changes, increased exercise, etc. Then, I can entertain either a natural supplement or try an AI for six months to see what it does to my metabolic syndrome. Right now, I'm not willing to take a medication if it makes me diabetic in return. My nutritionist recommended Broccoprotect, it's also less expensive than BreastDefend. Broccoprotect is supposed to reduce the "bad estrogen." I can't eat cruciferous vegetables due to a food sensitivity. Again, recognizing that none of these natural supplements are likely going to be as powerful as a drug, they may be an option for some women.
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I haven't taken anything ( Osteoporosis here with 6 FX/ cannot do aromatase) and high blood clot risk CATCH 22 , but after 8 yrs had a recurrence ( UGH) just this past FEB. POST menopausal btw. Would like to know more about DIM...BEST source to buy ' the real deal' as well as any SEs . PMs welcome. Thank you to all
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Hi Purple 32- I buy most of my vitamins from LifeExtension.com They ship quickly.
I have also gotten a lot of information from NutritionFacts.org
The China Study- by Colin Campbell
Elyn Jacobs website: ElynJacobs.com has a ton of information on nutrition, particularly about estrogen metabolism and natural alternatives to Tamoxifen or Aromatase Inhibitors. She is not a doctor, though.
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YEAH,, but you take Evista!
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Purple - I guess I misunderstood your comment. I thought you asked where people buy vitamins. I just added some resources for further reading.
From the information I have read, I have made many changes in my lifestyle that are holistic not pharmaceutical.
Take care!
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Hi Aseye...so sorry I did not see your post until now. No I did not have lymph node involvement. I was post menopausal at the time of my diagnosis but I hadn't gone for a mammogram for 7 years so there is a small chance I was premenopausal. I was on hormone replacement for those years and believe it was a huge contributing factor in the breast cancer. Hope this helps!
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meink7...so sorry I didn't see your post sooner. I take Breast Defend, melatonin, mushroom extract and baby aspirin. Hope this helps!
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Hi dtad, I had sent a private message to you, asking about your supplements, but I see them on this thread. I take all of those except the breast Defend. But I take DIM which is probably in the breast Defend. Also, I take vitamin D and K2, curcumin, and also calcium d gluterate which helps expel excess estrogen and toxins from liver from what I understand. Also, daily matcha green tea:)
Best to you!:)
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happycook...sent you a PM too!
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GoKale
I guess so- the thread was treating ESTROGEN fueled ,,,cancer NATURALLY, so I presumed. NP
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dtad - BreastDefend. Looks like it could help. NIH has post how it seems to boost Tamoxifen. I wonder if it would help with AIs. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5314617/ . My DR reluctant to talk much about suppements, since often not well studied and could interfere with an "approved" drug. . But AIs block, and I guess Tamoxifen interferes with production of ER. I use a lot of tumeric in foods, and take GAIA supplement. Eat lots of mushrooms.
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BlueGirlRedState...not surprised your doc wouldn't discuss supplements. They simply are not educated on the subject. it is not part of their curriculum in med school. I guess we have to be our own advocates. Best of luck.
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Actually, it is just the opposite BlueGirlRedState. Tamoxifen keeps circulatingestrogen from binding to the estrogen receptors and AIs block production/synthesis of estrogen.
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I found this interesting, worth to read the food part: Natural Alternatives to Aromatase Inhibitors
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