STEAM ROOM FOR ANGER
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I don’t understand, why would they say no to admitting if the person was that sick? What’s in it for them to turn someone away? Especially if they have good health insurance. Wouldn’t they be liable for it
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What I am saying is even terminal cancer patients deserve care. If someone like Gracie's situation(in Liver Mets Thread) comes to ER with pain, trouble breathing, etc and is terminal with cancer shouldn't they admit them and get them comfortable-oxygen and pain meds. Hospice patients are allowed those things. If someone, like Gracie, is alone and doesn't have hospice set up yet I think they need and deserve at least an overnight stay with nurses, oxygen, etc. THEN set up hospice to start in the home the next day. It is inhumane to send the patient back home with nothing set up to help them die in comfort.
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When someone goes to the ER with a failing liver it’s not like she’s looking for pain meds. Or out of network. What if she’s got sepsis and they’ve sent her home, or high ammonia. I hope they checked for that. Next thing to fail could be the kidneys. It doesn’t make sense. It is inhumane. Not that you haven’t seen it all jo
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When someone goes to the ER with a failing liver it's not like she's looking for pain meds. Or out of network. What if she's got sepsis and they've sent her home, or high ammonia. I hope they checked for that. Next thing to fail could be the kidneys. It doesn't make sense. It is inhumane. Not that you haven't seen it all jo.
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Hey Jo, like I said it’s about a failing liver not the pain it might cause. Tell me something, is there anyway to reverse a failing live from BC mets?
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It’s good to know not to go to ER if you can avoid it and not to go there looking for help with pain. No need to apologize. But I still wonder is there a way to reverse liver failure. I saw a thread here and one BCO member said her’s was reversed with Gemzar/Carbo (something).
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Well I guess it could be reversed if the cause of the damage is cancer and the cancer is wiped out. And I guess it takes the doctor to admit a patient to the hospital, not the moron meatheads.
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Marjen- I don't know anymore. I had a very dear friend who died in February. A week before she died she was in excruciating pain, fainting and chills and the doctor attempted to admit her into the hospital. The hospital refused because they said insurance would not cover her because she did not meet criteria. She had inflammatory breast cancer, stage 4 and was no longer on any treatment due to inability to inability to tolerate. She died 5 days later. She had excellent insurance.
Beesie is extremely knowledgeable about a lot of issues relating to cancer. She would be a good person to PM for info.
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Yikes! I always thought we had a choice not to die at home forcing relatives to take care of us for the most part. Just another reason to call Pietro and get it over quick!
Thanks for all your input Jo6359, very informative, but not pretty.
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Who is Pietro?
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Jun 22, 2019 06:45PM runor wrote:
Marijen, I come from a long line of Italians who dealt in the trade of...you know...taking care of problems. So, if you have a problem, you make a call. Problem solved. I have a Luigi and Pietro on speed dial. Money in an envelope. Fuhgetaboutit!
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Jaycee and Runor it’s good to see such frank honesty about death and dying. I share these feelings. Somehow I feel I am (we are) in a minority on these boards. I know I am no where near making that call yet but when it’s time I will make the call to hospice and take everything available to me to ease my passing. I never want to be and I fear to ever be in that place Runor described.
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I have seen someone die in an inpatient hospice, they have that here, because she did not want to have family to deal with the hospice meds and enjoy the time with them and someone who did home hospice and died right after I helped give her meds (my mother in law). I can say both were peaceful and pain-free at the end. The inpatient one though you did not have to wait for someone to come remove them from the home or see them in the bed when you went to clean things out afterwards in your head. There are benefits to both I think and a personal decision for everyone.
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This is an interesting article on the prior discussion here
https://khn.org/news/rational-suicide-seniors-pree...0 -
My friend who died in April went into hospice on Friday and died the next morning, on her birthday. I wonder if it was more stressful for her to be physically moved, although it would have only made a few days' difference, at most. Mostly I wonder if the move and subsequent death made it harder for her wife than if the passing had been at home. But I don't know if my friend was still conscious, or in pain. She had still been making fun plans and I think working part-time just a few weeks prior. It's probably different for everybody, patient and family, and we just have to trust our guts and hearts to do what's right.
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jo, that is appalling. Sorry to hear that. It does suck that we are at the mercy of either private insurers and/or the government funded programs with their piles of paperwork and criteria's that must be met before any benefits are granted.
At the moment here's my plan should I incur a terminal illness. I would like to live my final days in a facility of some sort. I'm not going to be the hero and die at home. I hope to be accepted right away as well since I have no real estate (sold it) and I am blowing thru the nest egg because wtf am I saving it for? Rather help out the kids, enjoy myself, and should there be anything left they can use it to place me in a place until I qualify for Medicaid. I've told my children that under NO uncertain terms are they to give up living their lives to care for me. Ever. Husband knows this too. I have a couple of insurance policies that can bury or burn me- and they can keep whatever is left. I do not have any long term care insurance. It is super expensive and a pita from what I've heard to get it activated. I might change my mind someday, who knows, but as duly noted each individual is different and there should never be any judgement.
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I wonder if I'd even take tx if I progress especially if Medicare doesn't cover it.
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Jo6359, my friend's wife is a nurse, so squeamishness about death and dying was not a factor.
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He's a NURSE? Mr. No Empathy is a NURSE? What a complete and utter jerk.
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"In sickness and in health..."
I guess he didn't take the marriage vows seriously.
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Maybe he has medical/patient burnout and it’s like taking his work home with him. A busman’s holiday. At least he is being honest even though it is offensive. Maybe he needs a break and some help dealing with his issues. How does your BF explain it?
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Jo6359, there is so much I want to say, but won't. But will. Really? He avoids you? The message this conveys to you is bad enough, but the message this conveys to his wife is devastating: don't lose your breasts or I will turn my back on you.
Go visit them. Take your fake boobs. In your purse. Address him, sincerely, lovingly, the way a concerned friend would, "Dick, I understand that you are uncomfortable with me since I am breastless and would prefer me to have boobs. OUt of sincere consideration for your sensitive nature I have brought them. Just for you." And drop your boobs in his lap. THen, while looking at him with an expression that says,' I have nothing to lose by choking the life out of you' say, "Some people need to be hit in the head with a brick to see what an asshole they are. I have no brick. These Doube Ds will have to do, Dick."
Honestly, the level of friendship shown to you by these two (based on what I have been able to gather from reading here) is little to none. He should pull his head out of his ass and if not, she should reach over and give it a good, hard yank for him. If I think my husband is behaving like a moron, I tell him. I also tell him what the consequence will be if he does not adjust himself. Did this woman give birth to this man that she needs to accept or apologize for his discomfort? NO! NO! She should say her husband is a pathetic asshat who should go shovel garbage and NOT be around people in medical need! Oh my god! I am all worked up. I need a drink. Or a brick to the head. I think I'm being an asshole. That was mean. I don't care. Those two are mean, dumping their hang ups on you. That's bullshit!
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Runor, rolling on the floor laughing!!! Oh my, how many of us would love to do just that to some asshat that can’t deal with real life situations
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ROFL! me too! Runor, I love how you just have the right words! Sometimes I am just speechless! The situation is beyond ridiculous!
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Runor, another great post.
Whew, glad he wasn’t my ER nurse. I live the flat life. Had to have an EKG done in triage. Had a male nurse who noticed my daughter had come with me. Not only did he show concern for me but showed concern for my daughter as well.
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How is it that guy's business what you have under your shirt? You are not his patient or lover so he really ought not to be concerning himself with your body.
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A non-breast cancer rant ahead, nevertheless a rant.
I live in the Kansas City area, on the Kansas side. I work in downtown Kansas City which means I pay Kansas City taxes which are *supposed* to go for road maintenance.
However.
KC MO has such gigantic potholes that they put road hazard cones IN them and you can barely see them, the potholes are so deep.
This morning I hit a pothole and blew out my front right tire. Like it's not patchable in any universe blow out. And my alignment is clearly shot.
I was able to get pulled off on a side street fast enough that I think/hope my rims are OK. But now I'm on the hook for two new tires plus an alignment. So that's on top of all the breast cancer expenses, which as you all know aren't small.
Kansas City is known for awful awful potholes, terrible roads, terrible road maintenance, horrible sewer maintenance (cannot tell you how many times I've seen a water main gone, which in turn fucks up the roads even more).
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runor- I couldn't stop laughing while reading your post.
Edj3- one would think your county would have used some of the taxpayers money to fix potholes. What a mess.
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It's not the county I live in, it's the county I work in. And yes, they do take taxes for road maintenance, which is a complete and utter joke.
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Runor. Thank you so very much for your forthright and eloquent posts. They are frequently the highlight of my day and have helped me to smile through this nightmare. I too was literally laughing out loud reading today.
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