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  • chisandy
    chisandy Member Posts: 11,408
    edited December 2020

    And when I spoke with my sis in VA (who called to congratulate the kids), she revealed that my BIL has gone further off the rails on the crazy train. He's going into his swim shop every day (and equally-delusional customers are coming in--even though school & community swim teams have been canceled and it's too cold to swim in home outdoor pools) and wearing a mask "only when I have to." He thinks COVID is a hoax. Bob offered to FaceTime him and show him around the ICUs (but for the possible HIPAA violations). My sis & I observed that if one doesn't start off squarely centrist, they get more extreme with age. My mom had been an FDR Democrat, but anti-busing & slightly suspicious of the anti-war movement. By the time she died in 2006, she was an avid fan of Keith Olbermann (fast-forwarding to "Worst Persons in the World") and especially Rachel Maddow. She was bitterly disappointed that W was still in office. Bob & I have gotten more liberal too (though to many friends I am insufficiently progressive because I am too much of a pragmatist).

  • keywestfan
    keywestfan Member Posts: 367
    edited December 2020

    Sandy, So much for you and Bob to look foward to- with your Birthday, nniversary. the WEDDING, being a MIL. What will you wear for all of this?

  • beaverntx
    beaverntx Member Posts: 2,962
    edited December 2020

    A friend of mine, in preparing for her son's wedding, said the role of the.mother of the groom is to wear beige and keep her mouth shut!

    FYI, I wore pink for both of our son's weddings. Won't comment on the other part!

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Member Posts: 8,178
    edited December 2020

    Hehehehe gotta love it when you can shoot down a trumper. A friend is convinced illegal immigrants will get this next stimulus check. I said they wouldn't. Sent her 2 articles that plainly say people with SS numbers get them. If they happen to be married to an illegal, only the person with the # gets it.

    She must watch Fox and the other garbage. The checks can only go to a person with a number. How can the feds send a check to nowhere, they don't make up names and stick it in the mail, do they?? As dumb as my DH.

    And if they do have a number, they pay taxes. And by spending that check, they are helping the economy. Right? Not according to her.

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited December 2020

    HI Ladies...Have been busy with little holiday projects AND a case of stomach flu...no fun! Feel better now and want to wish you all a wonderful holiday whatever you choose to do....I'm hanging here at home, planning to celebrate Xmas with family at Easter instead of now...

    Here's Pantaloon watching the snowfall we had last week....it didn't amount to much but was nice to watch!

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  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited December 2020

    OK, gotta unload some anger here....

    FUCK Trump! He's taken off for his holiday in Florida and folks are left high and dry with his response to the relief bill just worked out FINALLY.

    He doesn't care about folks! He's just having multiple temper tantrums---this on the stimulus bill, the threat of veto of defense bill, the monstrous pardons--even all those executions carried out.

    VENGEFUL! HE LOST AND CAN'T STAND IT AND WANTS OTHERS TO BE IN PAIN BECAUSE HE IS!

    OH GOD PLEASE GET THIS NEXT MONTH OVER WITH SOON! I LITERALLY CAN'T WAIT TILL JANUARY 20TH WHEN THIS MASSIVELY FLAWED, SELFISH, ANTI-HUMAN CREATURE IS GONE AT LAST!

    Then I'll exhale.

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited December 2020

    QuinnCat---Hey! Hi! I'm still here...just haven't been posting much lately...too busy....

    And Sandy--Congrats on your news! Am so happy for you! Wow! Good things DO happen after all! Lol!

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round, as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable time; the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. -Charles Dickens

  • wren44
    wren44 Member Posts: 7,965
    edited December 2020

    I think the men in white coats should come for trump and take him to the locked ward where he can't do anything.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Trill, I understand in every way. Trump is having a huge hissy fit. He was a mental mis-fit long, long ago and truth telling I'm sure MANY people who stood by while he took office knew it. So here we are standing by while he causes as much chaos and suffering as he can. I am almost as irate at all the enablers who could have used the impeachment to rid us of Trump but being selfish and greedy they didn't. Now those same people will likely get to suffer in their own ways as the Reps. party goes up in flames. It seems like Trump put McConnell in strong jeopardy for sure and obviously at the same time finished pulling the rug out from under Loeffler and Perdue. I feel such distaste for those two. When I see Perdue with his canary grin I wish I could walk up and smack it right off his face.

    I hope Trump ( it was mentioned at one time ) might decide not to return to Washington. I know he was planning on something on Inauguration Day. Guess he is hoping to keep his ego intact and steal some thunder. Seems to me both of those things will be impossible. Anyway, I'm looking to go to bed on the 19th. of Jan. and waking up on Freedom Day with our WH back and the vermin ousted -- for good.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Image may contain: text that says 'Molly Jong-Fast @MollyJongFast The greatest trick Trump ever pulled was that he managed to convince working people that the Republican Party wanted to help them.'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Image may contain: text that says 'Y'all probably didn't know this, but this tiny lil pocket on your jeans is for your second stimulus.'


  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Why you have a right to be a tad upset about the $600.00.


    Image may contain: text that says 'Grande Capo @VoLinxx Kanye West received between $2 million and $5 million. Joel Osteen got $4.4 million. Tom Brady $960,855. Members of Congress were paid $130k to spend 9 months arguing about whether you deserve $600.'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Future Wikipedia


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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Image may contain: meme, text that says 'JUST IN: TRUMP PREDICTS THE EARTH WILL STOP ROTATING WHEN BIDEN TAKES OFFICE. SUPPORTERS ARE LEFT DAZED AND CONFUSED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT. Satire ACTIVISM'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Image may contain: text that says 'ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS... DONALD TRUMP IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    Image may contain: 1 person, text that says 'Matt Fuller @MEPFuller Just can't get over the political gift that Trump gave to Nancy Pelosi. She gets to clarify that she supports $2,000 and either gets to deliver it, or demonstrate that it's Republicans who are blocking that money, not her. hope she got him something nice for Christmas too...'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 40,885
    edited December 2020

    President Donald Trump issued a further wave of pardons Wednesday, including for longtime adviser Roger Stone and former campaign manager Paul Manafort.

    Trump issued full pardons to 26 individuals and commuted the sentence of three others. Among those pardoned were Charles Kushner, the father of White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, and former Rep. Duncan Hunter's wife, Margaret.

    The pardons of Manafort and Stone effectively nullify the most significant convictions won by special counsel Robert Mueller and his team.

    Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/23/trump-pardons-manafort-stone-kushner-450328

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,904
    edited December 2020

    I am more upset with the enablers than with Trump even. He is certifiably crazy, but they threw all of their morals away for raw political power. They could have impeached him when they had the chance. I hope Congress overrides the Defense Bill veto, and I don't know what will happen with the Covid Relief Bill. He has put all the groveling Republicans in a box. I sure would like more relief for all the people suffering, but......why, why, why do the Republicans, who he continually undercuts, still support him or keep silent???

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited December 2020

    Jackie--love your memes!

    Ruth--I know--the Republicans are a mess. They have no shame. Trump is gonna go. But his millions of followers are still there and the Republicans have to consider them. In a way they're dependent on them, folks with whom they have nothing in common--and with whom they have no desire to HAVE anything in common: magical thinkers, ignorant, naive, "sucker born every day" voters who went for Trump and still stand by him. Sorry for the mixed metaphors but I think it's ironic that the party that embraces and coddles big business and the wealthy, lives to breathe the same rarified air they breathe, now has to go to bed with a wild bunch, millions from the far end of the spectrum whom they probably secretly consider subhuman...politics makes for odd bedfellows for sure! I see them as victims of their own success (if you can call it that), having gotten their man on top only to have to witness not just his toppling but further iterations of his failure and stupidity thanks to his ridiculous ploys, farcical suits, and baseless claims. Many of them betrayers of themselves--or at least deeply divided against themselves--they are left to either face those millions for whom they feel little, or turn and look back at their "Trump Years," when they were dishonest, mendacious, willfully blind, and corrupt. And know they were.

    No good views anywhere!

    I hope Trump doesn't return to DC, but he's now so addicted to power I can't see him doing anything but wring out the last seconds of his term there, at the White House, temper-tantruming to the bitter end.

  • chisandy
    chisandy Member Posts: 11,408
    edited December 2020

    I hope that Congress doesn't formally adjourn, but leaves a few selfless members there to receive communications from the WH et al. That way, if by 10 days (not counting Sundays or legal holidays) Uncle Scam hasn't signed the COVID relief/omnibus bill, it becomes law. (As opposed to a "pocket veto," which happens when the 10 days runs out after adjournment, during recess, and can't be overridden). Used to be that the not-quite-adjournment was to prevent recess appointments by an opposition-party POTUS. BTW, the pocket veto hasn't been used in decades--maybe as far back as DDE.

    Pelosi backed McCarthy into a corner--he opposes the $2K stimulus checks AND now wants foreign aid, and aid to the arts (theaters, clubs, concert halls), stripped from the bill. Now even GOP voters (especially Trumpies) will turn on him when they realize they won't get that bump in their bank accounts and they won't have where to go see their favorite bands after the pandemic is over. The military bill veto will definitely be overridden. I don't think his objection was the omission of punishment for the social media who fact-check his posts--it was the renaming of the military bases that set him off. Is it because he admires Confederate generals? Don't be silly--you KNOW he cut history class. No, it's because he hates change (at least change he didn't make). He dreads having to learn the new names for the bases. (Part of me understands: most of us here in Chicago still say "Sears Tower" instead of "Willis Tower;" and we call where the White Sox play either Comiskey Park, Sox Park, or "The Cell," from when it was renamed U.S. Cellular Field. Now it's "Guaranteed Rate" Field--and guys just can't get behind the preferred nickname "The G-Spot:" after all, they've never been able to find it. And Toyota Park, home of our pro soccer teams, is now "Seat Geek Stadium." It's enough to make me relieved that we now have to watch all those games on TV rather than actually going there and hassling for parking).

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,621
    edited December 2020

    Trill, Pantaloon is so pretty and looks so soft!

    Jackie, your memes have me howling this morning, from God calling Trump an asshole to the tiny jeans pocket for stimulus.

    Sandy, name changes are similar around here. A popular concert venue was originally “Star Lake” and has changed names at least four times in 20 years but no one calls it “Post Gazette Pavillion”; it will always be Star Lake to most people. The news station recently even did a story on how no one can remember any of the venue’s name changes. And my local grocery is Reisbeck’s, but we still call it IGA because that’s what it was for decades.

    I think Trump is against the military base name changes because he knows his cult followers do not want to give up the Confederate reminders. To go along with the changes would make Trump look weak, and he will sacrifice a nation to keep his image intact. He keeps the fan base riled up by calling attention to his opposition and willingness to hold up a relief bill over the matter, and that, too shows his base the power he still wields. And it keeps Trump in the headlines.

    The Republican Senate and House members stay loyal to Trump because that is the only way they will be reelected. It is all about self preservation of their political careers. Their voting base consists heavily of Trumpers and some have said Trump is more popular in their state than they are. They also avoid Trump’s public wrath by being loyal puppets. We know all the slimey adjectives that describe them, but to their constituents, they are doing the right thing. That’s the shape of our nation these days. Sad, but reality. The other reality seems to be that Trumpers are blind to how Republicans care not one twit about them.


  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 24,938
    edited December 2020

    The pardons of political allies who colluded to undermine the Muller investigation are awful (Ben Sasse called them "rotten to the core")

    GOP senator on Trump pardons: 'This is rotten to the core'

    but the pardons of war criminals is unconscionable.

    Trump Pardons War Criminals Again

    The latest round of pardons from the president included several for cronies and political allies, but beyond the usual sleaziness were some truly outrageous pardons for four convicted war criminals responsible for a massacre in Iraq.

    Mr. Trump's pardon list also included four former U.S. service members who were convicted on charges related to the killing of Iraqi civilians while working as contractors in 2007.

    One of them, Nicholas Slatten, had been sentenced to life in prison after the Justice Department had gone to great lengths to prosecute him. Mr. Slatten had been a contractor for the private company Blackwater and was sentenced for his role in the killing of 17 Iraqi civilians in Nisour Square in Baghdad — a massacre that left one of the most lasting stains of the war on the United States. Among those dead were 10 men, two women and two boys, who were 8 and 11.

    As a candidate, the president advocated for war crimes and called for reviving the use of torture, and as president he has pardoned or commuted the sentences of accused and convicted American war criminals. He just did so again today. It is not at all surprising that the president would issue these pardons, but it needs to be stressed just how appalling and despicable these pardons are. There is no question that the mercenaries convicted of these crimes were guilty, and the massacre that these men committed is an inexcusable atrocity. Letting such men off the hook makes a mockery of the rule of law, our government's respect for the lives of innocent people, and the true purpose of clemency. These pardons set convicted killers free, they insult all those hundreds of thousands of Americans that have served honorably under similar or worse conditions, and they send the message to the world that the U.S. won't really punish its own people when they commit terrible outrages in other countries.

    Like the Clint Lorance pardon that Trump issued last year, the pardons for the Blackwater mercenaries have nothing to do with using the pardon power to correct some grave injustice. They are an egregious abuse of clemency to help convicted murderers escape the consequences of their actions. Nicholas Slatten was sentenced to life for his role in the killings. Slatten's three fellow mercenaries had been sentenced in 2015 to 30 years.

    The four men had absolutely no justification for what they did.

    "In killing and maiming unarmed civilians, these defendants acted unreasonably and without justification," the US attorney's office said in a statement. "In combination, the sheer amount of unnecessary human loss and suffering attributable to the defendants' criminal conduct on September 16, 2007, is staggering."

    The massacre left 14 civilians dead and at least 17 wounded. "None of the victims was an insurgent, or posed any threat to the Raven 23 convoy," the government said, in a sentencing memorandum filed to the court on 8 April. The memorandum contained quotations from relatives of those killed in the attack, including Mohammad Kinani, whose nine-year-old son Ali was killed. "That day changed my life forever. That day destroyed me completely," Kinani said.

    Also quoted in the memorandum was David Boslego, a retired US army colonel, who said that the massacre was "a grossly excessive use of force" and "grossly inappropriate for an entity whose only job was to provide personal protection to somebody in an armored vehicle."

    Justice for the victims of this massacre had already been delayed for many years, and now it has been thrown in the trash.

    Granting clemency to unrepentant criminals and corrupt cronies is an injustice in itself, but it also means that wrongly-convicted prisoners and non-violent offenders are left in the lurch while the worst of the worst are given a free pass. Taken together with the administration's sanctions on the International Criminal Court and his indulgence of war crimes committed by U.S.-backed clients, Trump's many pardons of American war criminals underscore just how much contempt the president has for holding war criminals accountable. Trump's pardons for war criminals are indelible stains on his presidency, and they bring lasting shame and disgrace on this country.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,904
    edited December 2020

    My Christmas wish is that a rouge alligator would rush onto the Marlago golf course and drag Trump back into the swamp from which he's come.

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 24,938
    edited December 2020

    And take his swamp creatures with him, including these yahoos!

    Trump attorneys risk disciplinary action over wave of election suits

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,904
    edited December 2020

    I hope everyone they've defamed sues their asses off (with my apologies to actual donkeys).

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 24,938
    edited December 2020

    So here's the new tRump strategy:

    Republicans in the House plan to challenge the election results on Jan. 6, when the election is scheduled to be certified. They believe there's a legal question about whether each state delegation will get one vote or if each member gets a vote, which could dramatically change the outcome.

    Congressman Mo Brooks (R-AL), who is leading the charge in the House, believes Trump's path to victory is no longer in the courts but rather in the House of Representatives. As the House moves to certify the election results, they must go state-by-state. All it takes is one representative and one senator to object to that state's results. The congressman says those states that are called into question should be thrown out. If that happens in enough battleground states, then neither Trump nor Biden would hit the 270 electoral votes to win the Electoral College. That would mean the House would pick the president.

    Under the Constitution, according to Brooks, should the House have to pick the president, each state gets just one vote. That one vote is based on what party controls the state House. The GOP runs 26 state Houses, meaning the Republicans pick who will be the next president.

    "The Constitution says that in the election of the president by the House, you vote by state delegation. So, the fight, the legal fight, will be whether the same standard applies to this part of the election of the president. So, I'm sure the Democrats will argue that it's the majority of 435 that make the determination. The Republicans would be wise to argue that there are 50 votes won by each state, and that makes the determination. Now, what will happen? I don't know," Brooks said.

    The source for this info is TownHall, a far-right website. I'm not linking to the article because it's filed with kooky claims about fraud. I read it for oppo research and their political cartoons, like this one. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to all who celebrate!

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