I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!
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I’ve read that one of orange man favorite tricks in Civil cases is to use everything he can to delay. Or until the person suing him gives up.
But that Federal cases don’t work that way, so he won’t be able to delay trial, assuming he can find a lawyer dumb enough to represent him.
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We came here because the earth is abundant and alive--a rich,
rich field of lessons for us to learn. The lessons are not comfortable,
because if we weren't challenged, it would mean that we didn't need
to learn these lessons of the soul: courage, patience, faith, learning
to love, embracing eternal life, and the most magical lesson of all:
It's not what I do, it's knowing I am. We are here to learn about love,
to let others love us, to discover that love is a living force--real,
broad, encompassing. I have also learned that universal love is there
for me, and will be there for me, if I'm open to it and believe in it.
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Have to wonder who may step up to protest for the Loon. It is hard to imagine if they read at all, that they would be able to have one iota of sympathy for him. It was said, I believe that those who go up in his defense really think or hope that he will actually become president again and get them off the hook.
That sure isn't something I'd be willing to take ca chance on especially seeing who has already been on the block and the numerous ones coming after.
Also amazed at those who are ignoring the Loon's 'guilt'. They are carrying the innocent until proven guilty quite far insinuating that it is Pres. Biden and the DOG weaponizing against the Loon. Most annoyed that so many of these people are ones that really DO know but don't want to go against the Loon in any way.
I don't think much of any of it will bear fruit. Frankly, the Loon (by casually telling on himself) has made the governments case for them. Like Spookie said — who is really going to want to take him on now. Most of the lawyers with anything going have shunned him and I am thinking that will sure continue on. In fact, anyone who would be willing now is someone who definitely needs a boost for some reason to their resume. Doesn't sound at all good to me.
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'What if we don't play ball?' Why Trump indictment could be so damaging
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IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGESImage caption,Donald Trump has said he is not guilty to each of the 34 charges against him
By Anthony ZurcherNorth America correspondent@awzurcher
Donald Trump's indictment on federal charges has been unsealed, and the full scope of the case against the former president for mishandling classified documents is coming into view.Mr Trump has been charged with 37 counts of unauthorised possession of classified material, obstruction of justice, concealing documents and making false statements to law enforcement.Each of those counts contains penalties that include substantial fines and the possibility of years in prison.While leading Republicans dismiss it as a political prosecution, some legal experts insist the indictment sets out a strong case."It's a slam dunk," Diana Florence, a former prosecutor in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, told the BBC."Here's why: It's got everything. It's got videos. It's got recorded conversations. It's got lower level employees who are testifying."Here are some of the key revelations, and why they could be damaging.Missing documents included nuclear secrets
Perhaps the most dramatic portion of the indictment lists the 31 documents Mr Trump is alleged to have possessed at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida resort.They include details of US nuclear weapons programmes, the potential vulnerabilities of the US and its allies, and US plans for retaliatory military attacks.The indictment warns:"The disclosure of these classified documents could put at risk the national security of the United States, foreign relations, the safety of the United States military and human sources, and the continued viability of sensitive intelligence collection methods."That's an important assertion, given that to prove the charges that Mr Trump violated the Espionage Act, prosecutors will have to demonstrate that Mr Trump illegally possessed sensitive national defence information.The details of the documents could also be politically damaging to Mr Trump.Republicans, including some of Mr Trump's presidential rivals, rushed to his defence on Thursday as news of the indictment first broke.While they may still take issue with what they view as a politically motivated prosecution, they may find it more difficult to explain why Mr Trump held onto such sensitive national security after leaving the White House.Trump showed US military plans to visitors
The indictment offers two specific instances when Mr Trump was allegedly willing to show classified documents to people who did not have adequate security clearances.The first involves a recording of the former president talking on 21 July, 2021, to a writer, a publisher and two members of his staff.He told them about a secret US plan of attack against a country that is not named but believed to be Iran.According to the indictment:"Trump told the individuals that the plan was 'highly confidential' and 'secret'. Trump also said, 'As president I could have declassified it,' and 'Now, I can't, you know, but this is still a secret."
IMAGE SOURCE,DOJImage caption,The indictment included a photograph alleged to show classified documents in a ballroom
The other is an account of a meeting with a political aide in August or September 2021 where Mr Trump displayed a classified map of another country and told the person that an ongoing military operation there was not going well.The first episode undercuts one of the former president's potential defences to the charges - that he declassified all the material before leaving the White House.It also underscores how Mr Trump was allegedly careless with classified material, using it to make points in casual conversation.Trump asked his lawyer: 'What if we don't play ball with them?'
The alleged mishandling of classified documents is only one part of the case against Mr Trump. The others involve charges of obstruction of the investigation and lying to and misleading investigators.On Thursday evening, Jim Trusty, one of Mr Trump's lawyers had described the prosecution as "ludicrous" and the charges as a "kind of a crazy stretch".But the indictment says that Mr Trump directed the transportation and storage of the boxes of documents from the very beginning.According to prosecutors he was "personally involved" in the packing of the boxes at the White House.He was tracking the movement of the boxes while federal authorities were seeking their return.And he wanted to be in the room while his lawyers were reviewing the contents of boxes for classified material.Donald Trump took US nuclear secrets, charges sayCould Donald Trump go to prison over secret files?See where Trump allegedly kept classified docs
The indictment also alleges he had boxes moved from storage to his home at Mar-a-Lago without the knowledge of his lawyers, and that he had classified material transported to his golf club in New Jersey before the Mar-a-Lago search.When aides asked Mr Trump what they should tell federal investigators, the indictment states that he instructed them to lie.To support these allegations, the indictment details video surveillance footage, text messages and photographs from Trump aides, employees and family, and testimony from witnesses.One of Mr Trump's lawyers, identified as Trump Attorney 1, told investigators the former president said the following:I don't want anybody looking through my boxes, I really don't, I don't want you looking through my boxesWell, what if we, what happens if we just don't respond at all or don't play ball with them?Wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't have anything here?Well isn't it better if there are no documents?
"The biggest obstacle in cases of this kind is proving intent," says David Super, a law professor at Georgetown University."But the indictment provides an enormous volume of very specific information showing Mr Trump's personal awareness and involvement, including his proposing that various statements be made to investigators that he knew were false."The prosecution has now set out its case against Mr Trump in broad strokes. The indictment, however, is just the beginning. Now special counsel Jack Smith and his team have to prove their assertions in court - and in front of a Florida jury.0 -
No bottom with the idiots:
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Everything you need to know and then some.
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Supposed witch hunt in a nutshell:
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He said this!!! He doesn’t understand difference between Civil and Federal.
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Spookie, I have heard that this tRump appointed judge Cannon can delay the trial. Is that correct?
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maybe not delay. But has shown bias to him in the past. I’ve read DOJcan ask her to recuse herself . I hope that happens. He appointed her.
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I keep reading that it is un-likely that she will even keep the case. As I recall there wasn't much of an explanation given as to why. If I had to hazard a guess I'd be inclined to say gross in-experience. She was already quite chastised by her first time out with Trump. She hasn't gain much for experience since. It does sound like a fair possibility to me.
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I’m so glad I’m about 5 hours north of Miami on the West coast. Wouldn’t want to be anywhere near there Tuesday.
I’ve also seen reports from national media sniffing around Dunedin, where DuhSantis grew up, parents still here. My home Not thrilled.
A woman in Publix parking lot saw my Just Say No, Ron DeSantis, yelled at me that she knew him personally, and he is a very fine man. I was so surprised, was speechless. Probably his mother?0 -
Will be glad to see tomorrow come. Having nothing but non-stop Loon news since Thursday has been difficult. Even though it is somewhat expected since its 24 HR. cable news I did think we would get a bit more of the other events I know are happening.
If it has to be that we get nearly non-stop news on the Loon, then thank goodness it is about this strong indictment.
My taste for news right now is fairly diminished and how could it not be, but I do have things to wonder about. Like why some in the House (thinking McCarthy) are piling it on thick for the Loon. Also, I'm curious as to who might or might in fact, not show up on Tues. for the Loon's big day. He put out an invitation and so I'm curious. He didn't get much of a showing for the Bragg indictment — but this one is much worse. I really don't know why many, if any would bother.
Lastly, I think we have heard and seen mainly those who are going to bat for the Loon, but I think it is actually a small number. There were many Reps. even before this who were and have been hoping something moves the Loon away meaning they don't have to dirty their own hands doing it. It is what the Reps. seem to do best. Mess things to the nth. degree and then the Democrats (since the Reps. have made such a mess) end having to put things back together.
I keep hoping this time we will not only fix things but will make sure there is no confusion as to who did the work to make it happen. Reps. changed their cycles to far worse. I hope we can change ours to a whole lot better for everyone.
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NUTSHELL TIME:
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I was out of town yesterday for a wedding & am leaving tomorrow for a little vacation (thank goodness not to Florida!). I'll check in when I can but not as much as usual.
Again and again and again I say…..how can Trump's behavior be acceptable to ANYONE (with the possible exception of Vladimir Putin)!!!!!!!!!!
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Will we go to civil war over Trump?
No. Here's why.
ROBERT REICHJUN 12, 2023514
Friends,
The former president of the United States, now running for reelection, assails “the ‘Thugs’ from the Department of Injustice,” calls Special Counsel Jack Smith a “deranged lunatic,” and casts his prosecutions and his bid for the White House as parts of a “final battle” for America.
In a Saturday speech to the Georgia GOP, Trump characterized the entire American justice system as deployed to prevent him from winning the 2024 election. “These people don’t stop and they’re bad and we have to get rid of them. These criminals cannot be rewarded. They must be defeated.”
Trump is demanding once again that Americans choose sides. But in his deranged mind, this “final battle” is not just against his normal cast of ill-defined villains — Democrats, communists, socialists, Marxists, the “Deep State,” the FBI, and any Republican politician who dares cross him.
It is between those who glorify him and those who detest him.
It will be a final battle over … himself.
“SEE YOU IN MIAMI ON TUESDAY!!!” he told his followers Friday night in a Truth Social post, referring to his Tuesday arraignment.
It was a chilling reminder of his December 19, 2020, tweet, “Be there, will be wild!” — which inspired extremist groups to disrupt the January 6 electoral vote certification. Calls are already circulating online for a gathering outside the federal courthouse in downtown Miami.
At the Georgia Republican Party convention on Friday night, Arizona Republican Kari Lake — who will go to Miami to “support” Trump — suggested violence. “If you want to get to President Trump, you’re going to have to go through me and you’re going to have to go through 75 million Americans just like me,” Lake exclaimed to roaring cheers and a standing ovation. “Most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA,” the National Rifle Association gun lobby. “That’s not a threat, that’s a public service announcement.”
Most Republicans in Congress are again siding with Trump rather than standing for the rule of law. A few are openly fomenting violence. Louisiana Rep. Clay Higgins tweeted, “This is a perimeter probe from the oppressors. Hold. rPOTUS [a reference to the real president of the United States] has this. Buckle up. 1/50K know your bridges. Rock steady calm. That is all,” suggesting guerilla warfare.
Most other prominent Republicans — even those seeking the Republican presidential nomination — are criticizing President Biden, Merrick Garland, and Special Counsel Jack Smith for “weaponizing” the Justice Department.
All this advances Trump’s goal of forcing Americans to choose sides over him.
Violence is possible, but there will be no civil war.
Nations don’t go to war over whether they like or hate specific leaders. They go to war over the ideologies, religions, racism, social classes, and/or economic policies these leaders represent.
But Trump represents nothing other than his own grievance with a system that refused him a second term and is now beginning to hold him accountable for violating the law.
In addition, the guardrails that protected American democracy after the 2020 election — the courts, state election officials, military, and Justice Department — are stronger than before Trump tested them the first time.
Many of those who stormed the Capitol have been tried and convicted. Election-denying candidates were largely defeated in the 2022 midterms. The courts have adamantly backed federal prosecutors.
Third, Trump’s advocates are having difficulty defending the charges in the unsealed indictment — that Trump threatened America’s security by illegally holding (and in some cases sharing) documents concerning “United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack,” as well as sharing a “plan of attack” against Iran.
Many Republicans consider national security the highest and most sacred goal of the Republic. A large number have served in the armed forces.
Bill Barr, Trump’s own former attorney general, said on “Fox News Sunday”: “I was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, frankly … If even half of it is true, then he’s toast. I mean, it’s a very detailed indictment, and it’s very, very damning. And this idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt, is ridiculous.”
None of this is cause for complacency. Trump is as dangerous as ever. He has inspired violence before, and he could do it again.
But I believe that many who supported him in 2020 are catching on to his lunacy.
Trump wants Americans to engage in a “final battle” over his own narcissistic cravings. Instead, he is likely to get a squalid and humiliating last act.
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Oh Great Spirit, whose voice I hear in the winds, life to all the world, hear me: I come before you, one of your many children. I am small and weak. I need your strength and wisdom. Let me walk in beauty and make my eyes ever behold the red and purple sunset. Make my hands respect the things you have made, my ears sharp to hear your voice. . . . Make me ever ready to come to you with clean hands and straight eyes, so when life fades as a fading sunset, my spirit may come to you without shame. - Chief Yellow Lark
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I will be glad when we get tomorrow behind us and I'm so hoping that it remains safe for everyone. I also have read about the fact that despite the media hype about Cannon being the judge for tomorrow that Jack Smith knew well in advance how easy it could possibly fall to her and likely as his 'ducks' all set to go.
I didn't fall for all of the hype feeling that the very heavy chastisement that she received her first time out for the Loon when she tried to help suppress the evidence in that case and the humiliation of being reversed would curtain any misbehavior. It is wearing though on you to continue for such a long period hearing it said every which way but upside down on Sun. and Tues. I needed to read the article about Smith being likely quite ready to do what is necessary to keep Cannon from messing things up.
I'm like most people I think who after a barrage of the 24 hr. media can feel some apprehensions. I can see why some people (especially on the rt.) fell into line rather easily. After Fox and Friends and people like Jim Jordan and Lindsay Graham along with the help that Bill Barr himself and Mark Meadows put out.
I recall many yrs. ago, after my one BIL got moved here. He watched nothing but the Fox Channel as did most of my other BIL's. At that time we tried to watch it since he was pushing it. My response to it was much like how I felt trying to watch "The Apprentice". I just felt a real revulsion for it. It was not at the time that I felt so negative about the Reps. party (though that finally came) but just the negativism that emanated so strongly. It felt ugly and un-necessary and very in-appropriate.
I can watch cable news now (always very limited if Fox) but even that, due to Democrats too giving so much airtime to problems like Cannon starts to make me feel edgy an striking a nerve now and then. So. often I keep the news on but the volume low. Usually when I am tired of the barrage, I turn on something else. Usually turns out to be just the time some new big news will break.
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Truth and nothing but so help me.
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Absolutely no resemblance to the Loon, but if they can get people talking about her someone else can be WRONG rather than the Loon. Except she wasn't wrong then, isn't now and the Loon still is and will remain so.
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