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The Metabolic Approach in Conjunction with Standard of Care

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  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited September 2021
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    Hey my friends! I wanted to pop in and wish everyone a great weekend. I have been a little quiet recently because I have started a new endeavor; certification to become a personal trainer. Once I get certified I want to add training as a cancer exercise specialist and possibly functional aging too. So, I haven’t been posting but do continue to keep tabs on everyone else’s posts.

    Ma halo

  • norcals
    norcals Member Posts: 211
    edited September 2021
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    Wavesofharmony, that’s great that you’ll be helping cancer patients. It is so important to stay active during treatment and after treatment. There needs to be more trainers that understand our special needs. Good luck

  • homemom
    homemom Member Posts: 830
    edited October 2021
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    I went on this great diet a friend put me onto 3 years ago. I lost 35lbs in 3 months. My LE went down to normal and I felt great! Of course I slowly went back to my old ways and added 30lbs back on. Now I'm on it again and lost 12lbs in the last 3 weeks, however, I found out the most of the "fuelings" I buy from theme have Soy protein isolate of the first ingredient and I was ER+! I can't have soy! I'm wondering if I should go with only the fuelings they have with no soy (not many) or just trudge through it for another couple months and THEN after I've lost the weight I want, I can go on the plan with less fuelings, using only the non soy ones? My MO would say not to go on the diet, so I'm confused. I'll be taking my AI for another 3 years.


    What would you do??

  • moth
    moth Member Posts: 3,293
    edited October 2021
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    Soy is not a problem but soy supplements might be

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutri...

    Also see https://foodforbreastcancer.com/

    Personally I think the best idea is to implement changes that will be lifelong. Just slowly learn to eat differently and lower intake. Ymmv

  • homemom
    homemom Member Posts: 830
    edited October 2021
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    Thank you moth! You always have the answers. I'm taking Nutrafol, a vitamin that is supposed to help your hair. I showed it to my MO and she said it was ok because it was all natural and no soy, so I thought I can't have any soy at all. I'm thinking that I was on this diet 3 years ago for three months and it was great at losing my weight fast without any recurrance from the soy. The arimidex keeps you from losing weight, so maybe it also helps against any soy in the foods. I'll just have to go to that website you gave me when I transition off and be more aware of the foods I eat as not to gain it back.


    Thanks!

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    HomeMom, what is meant by feelings? Are these shakes of some sort?

    Typically, programs that force the body into rapid weight loss don’t promote sustainable weight loss. I have been low carb for about 5 years and initially my weight loss was gradual. After my diagnosis I went even lower carb and my gradual weight loss continued. I am now about where I should be weight wise and am working on adding lean muscle mass. But we have always focused on eating whole, nutrient dense foods. No shortcuts. I have connections with a gal who sells exogenous ketone products and she has been pressing me for months to buy these because it would be “easier.” Just drink ketones and fast. I continue to push back against her pressure because I believe our bodies do better nutritionally with Whole Foods, not something created in a lab. My two cents

  • homemom
    homemom Member Posts: 830
    edited October 2021
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    waves - they are bars, shakes, mashed potatoes, soups, popcorn, crunchy type snacks that are about 100 calories each. They have just enough fat, sugars, carbs to speed up your metabolism . You eat every 2-3 hours (5 per day) and drink tons of water. At dinner you make a "lean and green" meal with a set amount of just about any protein you want with set amounts of greens, spices, dressings etc. Once you get to the weight you want, you can go to the 4-2 plan, which is 4 of their fuelings and two meals you make. They have guides to help you transition to getting off the plan and eat healthier


    I went to a nutritionist when I was diagnosed. I have always been around 120-130lbs my entire adult life. The treatment and AI's have put on at least 25-35lbs and I can't shed it. This worked for me 3 years ago and I was only on it for 3 months. This time I will transition to a different way of eating so I don't backtrack. It sounds like what you're doing is working well. I need to make a real effort to keep empty carbs out of my diet.

  • Esther01
    Esther01 Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2021
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    HomeMom, you are so right about the empty carbs. I remember asking my doctor what kinds of carbs I need to get in my diet, and I'll never forget her clipped response: "None! Our bodies are made of fats and proteins." Okay then.

    I lost an alarming amount of weight before and at diagnosis, and I lost even more once I corrected my diet during active treatment, and then I noticed that I didn't have any appetite once I cut out the carbs. I couldn't get in enough calories each day because I just wasn't hungry. Once I added back a few carbs, my appetite came back. I guess now I know how to stop gaining once I'm back up to a healthy weight.. back off the carbs.

    Waves, I have been thinking of you! How long before you will be certified as a personal trainer for cancer patients? I think that is awesome! I have read how helpful it is to gain lean muscle and keep our bodies moving, moving, moving. I am walking, but I know I am not in a healthy exercise routine. Do you have any general recommendations? I.e., do we include an aerobic workout or just lifting weights?

    We just finished tenting our home for termites and my seven weeks of radiation just ended, so nothing has calmed down around here yet, which is why I haven't been on here. I was very fortunate. I followed my IMD's advice to the letter, and I sailed through yucky radiation without any side effects other than range of motion issues and of course, getting very, very tan, both in front and in back where the radiation exits - but it faded away within 10 days. I never had any fatigue which surprised me. I imagine this was in large part because I did not have chemo before the radiation.

    Love,

    Esther

  • heidihill
    heidihill Member Posts: 1,856
    edited October 2021
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    Landing Page — Moving Through Cancer

    Waves sent a link to the facebook post for the above book of Kathryn Schmitz, an authority on cancer and exercise. I would get the book and join the streaming classes if I were just starting out and still had some strength left after treatment. I hired a personal trainer to help me get stronger post-active treatment (which wiped me out) and it was worth every penny.

    Just walking half an hour daily to begin with already significantly reduces your chance of dying from cancer.

  • Esther01
    Esther01 Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2021
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    Thank you, Heidihill,

    That is such good advice! Thank you for sharing this.

    Love

    Esther

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    Esther01, I am not sure how long the certification will take. I have to get through the general personal trainer course first and have gotten bogged down with the anatomy and physiology. I will keep you updated when I get closer. 😀

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    HomeMom, the diet you are on sounds like some sort of program? If you gained weight after going off it the first time it didn’t facilitate metabolic flexibility for you

  • Esther01
    Esther01 Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2021
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    Waves, it sounds like that certification is going to be very valuable. How great that you are doing this. I have a question about fasting. Can I ask you, when you fast, would you continue a product like Juiceplus during the fast, or just make it a pure water fast? Because JP is fruits and veggies, I am thinking it would qualify as food.

    Love,

    Esther

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    Esther01, Just looking at the general nutritional information it looks like there is at least 1 carb and no fat or protein. Therefore, in all likelihood this would raise blood glucose and break a fast. So, if you are truly fasting, you should stick with water. If you are eating in a compressed eating window and not wanting to raise blood glucose, then stick with a small amount of fat until you get into your eating window. That's what I generally do, have a small amount of fat in my coffee and then eat all of my nutrient dense food within a 6 hour period. I even hold off on my bone broth collagen until after ai edging eating. Hope that's helpful.

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    HomeMom,

    I am attaching a link that explains metabolic flexibility. This is something that is very important for cancer patients to understand, especially if they are looking to impact the metabolic nature of their cancer.

    https://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-metabolic-flexibility/

  • homemom
    homemom Member Posts: 830
    edited October 2021
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    wavesofharmony - That made sense at times and not at other times while I read. I guess I'm the type of person that needs a guide because I'm not fully understanding how it works and how I can implement it, especially reading the questions at the end. I'm very curious about keto because I have read in several places that it has helped a lot of cancer patients stay or achieve NED. It looks like a good website, with recipes etc., I just don't know how to structure it.

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    HomeMom,

    Feel free to contact me via email for a more in depth conversation about how to use a low carb approach. I have been following this approach for about 6 years and applying to my cancer situation for almost 2 years. In addition to my experience I have also been certified in the approach from 2 different programs. I can certainly help explain the basics and get you started if it's something you want to do.

  • specialk
    specialk Member Posts: 9,237
    edited October 2021
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    waves - I have followed this thread because the topic is of interest to me. I just happened to check it and saw that you posted your email address. This is a public forum - anyone on the internet can see these posts, not just the members here. If I were you I would edit your post to remove the email, and private message it to HomeMom instead.

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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  • Esther01
    Esther01 Member Posts: 229
    edited October 2021
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    Thanks, Waves! My 36 hour fast went great. I felt really good throughout and chose to just stick with water and really appreciated your advice. I recently bought the ingredients for bulletproof (keto) coffee so I'm looking forward to trying that. I liked the article. It reminded me how important magnesium is. I do use Optimag Neuro by Xymogen and mix it with my Vitality C (vitamin C) powder.

    HomeMom, the keto diet has been wonderful for me. I am constantly meeting people who are doing really well with it. I am trying to branch out with more keto recipes just for some variety.

    Blessings,

    Esther



  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    I am about halfway through this podcast and find the information fascinating. It really speaks to the importance of a multi-modal approach to cancer, which aligns with a well thought out metabolic approach.

    https://youtu.be/uR9i2aPD29s

  • homemom
    homemom Member Posts: 830
    edited October 2021
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    Esther you just keep hearing that a plant based diet is healthier for you. I've also read to stay away from red meat. I want to take off the weight and keep it off. My last weight loss also reduced my lymphedema arm to just about normal. I'm beginning to not care how I do it and keep it off, as long as it isn't detrimental to keeping the C word away!

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    HomeMom,

    Here is some research on managing lymphadenopathy

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800982/pdf/nihms-161225.pdf

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    The research on exercise during and after a cancer

    https://youtu.be/Xr-dfzsrlWE
  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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  • macdebbie
    macdebbie Member Posts: 65
    edited October 2021
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    Does anyone know since a Keto way of eating is contraindicated if one has impaired liver function, if hormone blockers disallow a Keto way of eating since with all of them it seems impaired liver function (elevated liver enzymes, fatty liver) are a "common" side effect?

    I've been eating very low carb (@30g/day) for 7 years since I was first diagnosed with pre-diabetes because I wanted to control it - and I have - with diet and exercise and not be on meds the rest of my life. I also lost 50 pounds in the process which refused to come off no matter what I did prior - weight watchers, lean cuisine meals, sweating in the gym, starving myself, being under the care of dietitians.

    I really don't want to have to quit the way I am eating. I am so much healthier. Before with elevated cholesterol, weight, blood glucose and trigylcerides I was an accident waiting to happen. Now my blood work is perfect and has been for years.

  • wavesofharmony
    wavesofharmony Member Posts: 106
    edited October 2021
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    macdebbie, a keto way of eating is actually helpful for many women on hormone therapy for cancer. It helps mitigate the side effects of the lowered hormone levels (joint pain, weight gain, etc). My MO LOVES that I eat this way and stay active and he always says he wishes more of his patients did this because their outcomes are so much better and they are more responsive to treatment. I wouldn’t worry about liver problems unless you have blood work that indicates your liver is having trouble.