Apr 24, 2018 02:10PM Nas wrote:
I live in Ecuador, so I can find the fruit here easily, but my cousin who lives in Holand, buy it by ordering , you can read about it in internet and I am sure you can find it in USA.
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Posted on: Aug 6, 2012 06:37PM - edited Aug 8, 2012 10:31AM by Natkat
Natkat wrote:
Hello please post here ONLY if you are researching or using natural tx to address hormone responsive cancer. Please stay on topic - no posts about standard drugs or ovary removal. No posts about general anti cancer. Thread for people who need alternatives SPECIFIC to hormone responsive cancers
Will share my own research and looking foward to hearing about yours
Thank you
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Apr 24, 2018 02:10PM Nas wrote:
I live in Ecuador, so I can find the fruit here easily, but my cousin who lives in Holand, buy it by ordering , you can read about it in internet and I am sure you can find it in USA.
Apr 24, 2018 04:41PM - edited Apr 24, 2018 09:30PM by roche
Apr 24, 2018 04:45PM roche wrote:
Food is medicine and medicine is food
Apr 24, 2018 05:48PM Artista964 wrote:
The point at least with a couple of us is to shed the truth about supps. Its not to put down foods but the notion that pop 1000 mg of this pill and itll equal 3 cups of said veggies. No way is there 3 cups of a veggie in a couple supp pills, esp if you consider to get it in pill form, it's not the same thing once it's processed. Read the excellent post on the previous page.
And yes, real food is medicine. That's always the best preventive medicine for some diseases and always the best medicine for all diseases.
Apr 24, 2018 06:47PM Artista964 wrote:
haven't heard of such a list. I would think it's the same list of veggies helping with what tamox does.
Apr 24, 2018 07:17PM - edited Apr 24, 2018 07:29PM by Artista964
i dont know if theres a list but i got a lot out of this older thread.
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/79/topic/...
It's hard to truly know with foods. There is nothing that tests it concusively. From driving myself nuts for some magical list and seeing people who did 'right' recur, it all boils down to healthy eating. Vegans get cancer too though lower #s. Some of it is our makeup. We can each have different amount of the types of estrogens just like it is with cholesterol. My mom eats mostly heathy and has high cholestetol while her sister 3 years older not so much and has better #s. So golden rule, keep weight in check, exercise and eat lots of plant based foods. Thats the best anyone can do.
Apr 25, 2018 07:51AM GoKale4320 wrote:
https://drjockers.com/best-aromatase-inhibiting-fo...
Here's a link on aromatase-inibiting foods. I think I have posted it here before.
May 5, 2018 01:55PM RedemptiveSufferer wrote:
I've been following this thread for awhile as I wrestled with whether or not I should quit tamoxifen after a health scare I had while on it last month. It didn't take me long to decide that I didn't think it was in my health's best interest to continue with it. I've already added to my list of daily supplements based on the guidance I've found here (still need to get DIM) and plan to follow a more Mediterranean Diet plan. Because several asked me why I quit the tamoxifen, I decided to write a blog post about my decision. Not sure if it's ok or not to share personal blog posts, so if not I trust the MODS will remove it. :-)
But for those who gave tamoxifen "the old college try" I'm sure you'll be able to relate to some of my story. Comments are always welcomed! Have a great weekend. ~ Kim
https://www.kimtisor.com/blog/throwing-in-the-tamo...
May 5, 2018 02:44PM miranda2060 wrote:
RedemptiveSufferer, thanks for your honest and clearly written blog post. I'm slated to start aromatase inhibitors very soon, so I read it with great interest. In the back of my mind is always the idea of making the same decision if the SEs are intolerable. Your decision is perfectly understandable, and I wish you all health and happiness.
May 5, 2018 04:54PM RedemptiveSufferer wrote:
Miranda 2060, I see you're fairly new to your journey. I hope you're doing well emotionally. It can take some time to feel "normal" again. A friend of mine who also tossed in the Tamoxifen towel is now on an AI and doing far better on it. I know everyone is different, but I hope you have an easy time with it as well. I think it certainly helps to follow healthy habits as outlined on this thread to help diminish SEs. Thank you for reading my post and the well wishes! They're much appreciated! Wishing you the very best, too.
HapB, Thank you for your sweet compliment and feedback! I must tell you, MOST of my friends on Tamoxifen have barely any SEs...except for the hot flashes. And most have told me that they improve with time and of course, there are other meds that can help manage them if they're unbearable. I hope you do well on it. It surprises me that in the past 30 years researchers haven't developed an alternative drug for pre-menopausal women. Would be nice to have options.
I plan to check out the thread you started...I'll try to search it via your name/posts. I'm beginning to take lots of notes on all that I'm learning! :-) Good luck to you, too!
Jun 22, 2018 11:39AM - edited Jun 22, 2018 11:54AM by Joycesches00
I have been taking B17 for about 2 1/2 months about 20 aday Apricot pits . I had a Mastecomy in 2011, and a recurrence in March 2018 and now found 2 lumps in rt Breast Just started Arimedex in June 1st 2018 and started B17 in April All of the findings were Estrogen related and I am only hoping between the Mastecomy and Ameridex and B17 this will end Just not sure if B17 will fight ER Cancer does anyone know??????
Jun 23, 2018 02:34PM 1redgirl wrote:
Joyce - your original cancer in 2011 was what stage? Now what stage? Just wondering, if you changed your diet and lifestyle after original cancer. Also now? I ask because I originally was diagnosed 20 plus years ago with DCIS. Had two surgeries only. After 20 years, was I cured? Dormant? Now I have cancer again, IDC, and DCIS, had mastectomy, but due to my age will not be taking chemo etc. However, I have radically changed my life and diet to combat reoccurrence. Estrogen loves fat. Fat is produced by eating poorly. So no sugar, fried foods, etc. Not sure this article has ever been discussed, but I found it worth the read.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/faulty-research-behind-mammograms-breast-cancer/
Jul 7, 2018 11:02PM Princess_Meg wrote:
Hi Mini. Just saw this thread now. So how are things going with the natural route of keeping estrogen down? I am interested. Thank you
Jul 9, 2018 05:46AM GoKale4320 wrote:
https://www.drweil.com/vitamins-supplements-herbs/...
Joyceches00 - the link above is what I found regarding B17. I had never heard of it, though. What is your diet and exercise routine? Is there any room for improvement there? I would also look at other lifestyle factors like sleep and stress. Good luck to you!
Jul 10, 2018 05:08AM dtad wrote:
PrincessMeg...I take a supplement called DIM in leu of an aromatase inhibitor. I'm a little over 3 years NED. So far so good! Let me know if you want more information. Good luck to all
Jul 10, 2018 06:38AM - edited Jul 10, 2018 06:51AM by Jons_girl
hello everyone,
I haven't read the whole thread. But wanted to share a bit about me. I'm questioning about how lifestyle and diet can keep people healthy. Even tho I’ve believed that pretty much my whole life!!
I thought my lifestyle was good...
When I got my dx last year I was in disbelief and a little angry I guess. I have been reviewing my life and I still am. I am asking myself how did this happen to ME!!??? I've always thought that eating well and taking care of yrself is monumental in staying disease free. Yet this still happened to me.
I'm not overweight. I am vegan. More plant based now than I was last year. I had basically cut refined sugars out of my family's diet years ago. We use coconut sugar and honey (husb is a beekeeper)and pure maple syrup in recipes when it's called for. But I don't push a lot of desserts in our home. I'm a label reader when I grocery shop but more so now.
We run a hobby farm. So am always doing something in the garden, barn or orchard, flowerbeds. I love being outside.
I'm in a great marriage have two wonderful kids. I homeschool our youngest.
I'm very happy....this cancer thing hit me between the eyes!
I worry at times it will return despite what I take (vits or supplements) or how I eat or what my life is like.
I also am fasting periodically. Mainly intermittent fasting. I've lost about 10 lbs since my dx.
My (70s)mother hasn't ever had Br cancer. But she's lumpy. My maternal (60s)aunt was dx two wks prior to my dx. She had ILC. My maternal grandmother (beautiful German woman) had Br cancer twice and died in 99 because of it. Her story tho is very different. She went back on hormones and I believe those just fed the 'fire' and killed her.
Anyway despite all my fam hx for Br cancer my genetic testing was neg. which I'm thankful for.
I chose no on the radiation option and no to adj therapy. I had a lumpectomy and I am doing what I can to stay healthy.
I am being vigilant with Diag every 6 mo. I am glad I didn't do radiation because if it were to come back I could never have another lumpectomy.
Waiting on approval from my ins co for my first Br MRI. Have denied twice.
That's a bit of my story...oh also they didn't catch my tumor on mammo last yr. I have been categorized as having extremely dense breast tissue. Ultrasound saw all tho. Thankful for that. If I hadn't felt my tumor not sure when they would have caught it??? I am soooo thankful I felt my tumor!!!
Interesting to read about everyone's experiences. It's so amazing how each person has a different story!
Sending a hug to you all! Hope all stay cancer free and it never returns again! Sorry for the long post. A lot of questions going around in my head.
Tami
Jul 10, 2018 07:01AM nonomimi5 wrote:
Tami, did you get Oncotype Dx testing
Jul 10, 2018 07:02AM nonomimi5 wrote:
Tami, did you get Oncotype Dx testing
Jul 10, 2018 03:25PM 1redgirl wrote:
Jons girl - I too want to know why me? In my case, I ate a lot of sugar. I was a good eater, not fat, and exercised a lot. Rode horses everyday. Did not smoke or drink. Just found out in January my grandmother died of BC. Never knew her. I did genetic testing. Negative. Mother died of skin cancer.Jul 11, 2018 05:23AM Jons_girl wrote:
Mimi:
No I didn’t do the oncotype test. Because of my pathology my surgeon who’s been practicing for 30 years told me that she knew the number would be very low. She said it’s a very expensive test and wanted to save me the money since she didn’t think it would tell us anything we didn’t already know. It was very slow growing. 9%proliferation rate.
Tami
Jul 11, 2018 05:31AM Jons_girl wrote:
red girl:
Thanks for sharing! Interesting info you shared
I think in my case that it’s possible my immune system played into my cancer. I’ve kinda always had issues with my immune system. Lots of antibiotics....
I’ve been trying to fix it and rebuild my immune system the past few years.
Tami
Jul 12, 2018 09:11AM lala1 wrote:
Dense breasts are considered to be a significant contributor to BC. Not much you can do about that except vigilance, I think.
Jul 12, 2018 12:05PM 1redgirl wrote:
This link about cells is a particularly good one I think. I was struck by the comment that a cancer cell might have 60 or more mutations.Jul 12, 2018 03:32PM marijen wrote:
hmm I just got around to buying Matcha Green Tea and looked up the benefits. Wish I had known this sooner.
8 Health Benefits of Matcha Green Tea1. May Help Prevent Cancer
Research has shown that green tea consumption can reduce the risk of cancer. Some of the specific cancers where risk reduction has been scientifically demonstrated include:
According to the National Cancer Institute (NCI), the catechins in matcha green tea (EGCG, EGC, ECG and EC) are so powerful that they may actually help prevent cancer, potentially making match one of the top natural cancer treatment options out there. (6) While it might seem outrageous that regularly drinking something as common as green tea can put you at a lesser risk, it's not that far-fetched. The NCI provides the following explanation:
That's a pretty impressive list of attributes, right? If that were all matcha could do, that'd be a lot. But it does a lot more than prevent cancer.
2. Promotes Weight Loss
There is good reason that matcha made my list of 15 Ultimate Fat-Burning Foods. When it comes to boosting your metabolism and helping with weight loss, science shows that few things are more beneficial than matcha green tea. A study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition compared the effects of drinking one bottle of oolong tea containing 690 milligrams of catechins versus drinking one bottle containing 22 milligrams of catechins. In the study, 35 healthy Japanese men with similar BMI and waist circumference distributions were divided into two groups.
The researchers gave one group the 690 milligrams of tea and the other group the 22 milligrams of tea. After 12 weeks, they observed that body fat mass, BMI, body weight, subcutaneous fat area and waist circumference were all "significantly lower" in the 690-milligram catechin group than in the 22-milligram group. Even more astounding were the modifications in LDL levels due to the dramatic decreases in body fat mass and total fat area.
From these results, researchers confidently concluded that because drinking tea containing 690 milligrams of catechins for 12 weeks reduced body fat, consuming catechins could aid in the prevention and improvement of many diseases — especially obesity. (7)
3. Benefits Exercise Performance
Another fascinating aspect of matcha green tea is that clinical tests suggest it can help speed recovery in athletes whose focus is high-intensity workouts like burst training. It's also been shown to reverse cellular damage caused by oxidative-nitrosative stress. Oxidative-nitrosative stress is just a fancy term for the internal imbalance of free radicals and antioxidants. And this imbalance ultimately destroys cells, prevents their repair and causes disease.
A study published in Basic and Clinical Pharmacology and Toxicology evaluated the potential affect EGCG had on mice with chronic fatigue syndrome that were forced to swim for six minutes a day over a period of 15 days. After this intense activity regimen, researchers discovered that the animals experienced significant increases in oxidative-nitrosative stress and tumor necrosis factor-alpha levels, which is a biochemical marker for cell death. Astoundingly, by administering continual dosages of EGCG, the researchers found that both of these alterations were completely reversed. (8)
4. Best Food Source of Disease-Fighting Catechins
According to Harvard research, green tea is the best food source of a group of antioxidants known as catechins. Research has shown catechins to be more powerful than both vitamins C and E in stopping oxidative damage to cells. They also appear to have other disease-fighting abilities. (9)
It wasn't until a decade ago that researchers discovered that one type of tea may be more beneficial than another. To test the hypothesis that matcha is more catechin-dense than other green teas, researchers from the University of Colorado Springs conducted a comparison study between matcha and other common green teas by utilizing a process that separated mixtures into their individual parts using various mediums.
Published in the Journal of Chromatography, the results were groundbreaking. The researchers discovered that, "The concentration of EGCG available from drinking matcha is 137 times greater than the amount of EGCG available from China Green Tips green tea, and at least three times higher than the largest literature value for other green teas." (10)
Jul 12, 2018 05:43PM 1redgirl wrote:
Adding to this discussion about green teas, this article was interesting as well.Jul 13, 2018 09:33AM GoKale4320 wrote:
That is great news about green tea. I need to drink more of it. I haven't tried Matcha, but I should. Thanks for the posts about it!
Jul 14, 2018 03:55PM DearLife wrote:
I have added green tea to my diet too, two cups a day. Didn't like it plain but a good squirt of lemon makes it quite pleasant. I am amazed at all the benefits documented by research. So matcha is the best one. Thanks Marijen for the references.
Jul 14, 2018 04:21PM Prairietwin2 wrote:
I am currently taking Letrozole. I know nothing about alternatives. Am interested in learning more. A friend who was diagnosed with prostate cancer is using frankincense oil with amazing results. Do you know of any research into frankincense oil helping with breast cancer?
Jul 14, 2018 04:30PM Warrior2018 wrote:
Just wanted to add a brand of green tea that I think is pretty good. It’s sweet tasting which is not often found with matcha I think.
Jul 14, 2018 04:33PM paddymcmullan wrote:
ok you guys , this may help . dont shot me if it dont .
take wormwood full spec daily
Take multi vitamins with added iron
cut down on 80 percent carbs your taken , (carbs feed cancer )
try get some cannabis capsules 50/50 thc/cbd this helps you to eat and sleep PLUS it will help with pain
stay positive and strong . dont look back