Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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AS
we're getting the same item on BBC International news now - it's on NPR. Just PERFECT! A Pastaferian
He just said he worships the FLYING SPAGETTI MONSTER - yeah, Austria!
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The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster first came to prominence with a letter to the Kansas City School Board who wanted Intelligent Design (Creationism) taught as science in public schools. Here is the letter.
http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/
May he touch you with his noodly appendage.
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thanks notself....noodly appendage - off to see
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Here is a picture of the very devout Australian Pastafarian.
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Ha Ha hysterical...just checked out the website of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.. I particularly like the 'SIGHTINGS', noodly appendage and all
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oh I'm so glad someone was able to post that story! I read it this morning and just cracked up. You were the first people I wanted to share it with but alas, I can't figure out how to attach links.
thanks for the link to the letter and info on the website....too funny!
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I love love love that the link now leads to the BBC article - with a picture of him on his license. Pastafarian, just love it.
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LOL ... the comments on the site notself linked to are hilarious also.
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May you all be touched His noodly appendage.
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Just got back from a camping trip away from all electronics and news and this is about the best news to start the coming back to reality phase. Thanks for the giggles.
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Hello ladies, I would like to first say peace be with you all! I've read through many pages and many posts and the thing I loved was what a great sense of humor you all have. You all also strike me as women who are open to considering possibilities and making decisions for yourselves as to what you choose to beleive or not beleive.
We, the human race, want to be able to see, touch and hear to be fully convinced of something or someones existance. And though we may not require this, it certainly makes for a sound argument. For the most part, we will believe someones written account of and/or verbal account of an event as being accurate if we know they were there and witnessed what they are reporting back to us.
The written accounts of Christopher Columbus, Paul Revere, Julius Ceasar are just an example of people that we are taught in school as being factual even though there are no videos, or photographs documenting their lives.
With all that said, one thing no one can argue is there is life and there is death. It's what may or may not take place after death that seems to cause the biggest controversy. People on all veiws are very passionate about what they will and won't believe. Some believe there is no life after death, others say reincarnation, some say they dont know and dont care, and then there are those who believe there is a heaven and a hell.
So I would like to throw something out there, merely for your consideration. I do believe in God, heaven and hell. So if I live my life believing this, trusting in Christ to get me there and I die and there is no God, well I haven't lost anything. There is no consequence for believing in the scriptures as fact. If the bible is just "made-up" stories, then I will either just cease to exist, or perhaps come back reincarnated, but I know I wouldnt be in hell because there would be no hell.
However, if the bible is in fact true and there is a God, heaven and hell then what do you think will happen to those who refused to believe while they were living?
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Moody .. why would you post about your faith in Jesus Christ on an atheists forum? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
Bren
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Bren, don't even try
And if you ever find out who wrote the bible, would you let me know?
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Moody, I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 12 years -- I always had a lot of questions about what I was taught (although I will say I think it was great that the questions were encouraged and welcomed, and there was a time in the school day devoted to such questions).
Anyway, what you describe was taught to us as "Pascal's wager" -- as if it's a better "bet" to believe in God than not, given the possible outcomes after death. But my teachers taught -- and I agreed -- that it's not really possible to make yourself believe -- you either believe or you don't. I always felt that if there were a God, God wouldn't like lies! God would be more appreciative of honesty, than of a "bet" aimed at manipulating one's eternal fate.
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Moody, if God is all loving, then nothing bad would happen, would it? Besides I've read things elsewhere and am hoping that there is a loving God otherwise, hell will be quite full with the crap I have read, if you know what I mean. Don't see any Christianity happening over>>>>>>>>>there.
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Moody -- You wrote: However, if the bible is in fact true and there is a God, heaven and hell then what do you think will happen to those who refused to believe while they were living?
First of all, those of us who don't believe there is a supreme being are not "refusing" to believe, we just don't. Many of us used to, in much the same way we used to believe in Santa Claus, because that's what our parents told us to believe. Then, we started thinking things through -- yes, thinking for ourselves.
But you're suggesting that we "should" believe. Why? Because you do?
Secondly, this "what if" tactic is used primarily as a way of instilling fear in non-believers. Of course, the Judeo-Christian and Islamic religions all use fear as a means of keeping the faithful in line. It is neither acceptable nor appreciated on this thread.
We who do not believe as you do, continue to live our lives following the golden rule, believing in social justice, and also believing that we should be free to think the way we do.
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I still hear the words of His Holiness the Dalai Lama in my heart, when he was asked to "define" his religion, by a journalist - his respose: "My religion is kindness."
Thanks, AnnNYC - I'd neer heard of "Pascal's wager" - going to link to learn more.
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C-S - I think the bible was written by a whole bunch of people (OK men) who wrote down some stories that had been told over several centuries (how long depends on which book).
When I taught, we used to do the "telephone game" where there was a written sentence that the first student whispered to the next and so on for about a dozen students. Not once, not ever, did the sentence come out even close to the original at the end. That's how dependable I think those stories in the bible are. Not at all.
But it's nice that Moody reads it. I like the stories in Shakespeare's writing better. They are more consistent at least. In neither case would it make sense to me to use the stories to tell others how to live their lives.
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Like Lisa says below me.
Edited because I don't want to offend, hurt or engage in an argument
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Hi All..what is the point of trying to change anyone at this point in our lives..
Kindness is a good thing no matter who believes in it and so are alot of other things
so smile...
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Oh my goodness, "they" never stop trying. I have a brain, I can reason for myself. I don't want or need any "help." By the way, the "what if" tactic also is a way to control people and keep the coffers full.
Move on to a thread where others feel the way you do. That's what we did! And you'll note, we don't come to the religious threads and try to convert you.
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Lisa,
lovely to see your face again. I miss your photographs. Yup, Kindness heads the list, and I think it includes Compassion, and Empathy, and generosity, and a sense of humor
and a lot more.Lassie, I too like some of the stories, but I think the "morals" of Aesop, and Grimm's are valuable too. So much of early, early days, especially for women, were shared in folk tales. I love them.
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Hi back...
I was here yesterday, San Diego bay
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gorgeous, and those mountains in the distance, what a delight. So glad you get to experiene such a beautiful world. It is always healing for me to be in Nature.
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It was kinda hazy, but still we can see some local mts
This little guy was hiding in the hibiscus plant there..
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moodyk13,
Pascal's wager is often quoted by Christians as a reason to believe in god. My question to you is which god? There have been thousands of gods worshiped over time and many gods are worshipped throughout the world today.
My final question to you is do you believe because you are afraid not to? It is a sad god who requires belief and punishes those who don't. You may wish to change to a kinder gentler god such as Vishnu worshipped by Hindus or the goddess, Amaterasu, worshipped by the Japanese.
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SoCalLisa,
As always, thank you for the beautiful pictures.
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Lisa ... the bay is so blue in that picture. I could actually smell the salt air and see the shore in the distance.
hugs,
Bren
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"There is no consequence for believing in the scriptures as fact."
As an agnostic ... I must point out that in my point of view this statement is not correct. Since I don't believe we know if there is a Deity/Creator or not ... we also have no way of knowing that there isn't a totally different one who would be horribly offended that you believed in one other than It. Might get you in worse trouble than non-belief. Lots of different ways to look at things when you really stop to think about it. Just saying ...
Beautiful pictures Lisa!!!
Note to Mother Nature from the midwest ... Please turn off the oven - we are already baked
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White Rabbit .. I never looked at it that way before. Interesting concept! Don't want to piss off the wrong god. Maybe that's why people hedge their bets with their belief.
Bren
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