Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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I know exactly what you're talking about. I don't get too many because most people know on which side of the fence I stand but I have seen some. Blatant lies. I think the dems do know what they're dealing with and have to hope that people use their heads and check their facts....
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I don't think I could live in a small town. I like nature... through the window or in very small amounts. (Nature has too many insects for me to truly enjoy it!) I also wouldn't be able to deal with the conformity and such typical of small-town living.
I'm in the Kansas City area now, and while I like that I have access to things, there is a bit of the small town mentality here that displeases me. (We're still in the bible belt, after all.)
I grew up in a college town, so I had a lot of exposure to people from all over the country. There always seemed to be a big population of university students from other countries, as well, so I also got exposure to different cultures.0 -
To combat small town mentalities and all kinds of fundamentalism I thought I'd remind you of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (aka pastafarianism) check out this site and have a good giggle
www.venganza.org
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Thanks for the giggle. I really like the ...false gods, embrace truth... pic...:)
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Oh, Maria, thank you - I have that site BOOKMARKED - and still get a giggle every time I"m in a store and see a colander..must make those shopping around me a little curious, but at least I don't put the one in the store on my head
maria's lik made into a hyperlink ;-)
and DO CHECK OUT THE TEE SHIRTS IN THE STORE at their site...I can never decice which one I LOVE best...
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Oh my fsm...I just read the open letter to the Kansas School Board. I cannot believe, as a biology teacher, I have never seen this before. Brilliant.
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Sunflowers I think it was you who converted me to the Church of the FSM...i remember you drooling over His googly appendage!
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oh...maybe....I forget alot....just GLAD we all have that website...;-))))
Can't remember who first posted it here - maybe notself? long ago - just remembere still LOVING it Esp. the letter CLC mentions to the Kansas School Board - SUCH A WINNER - love the little picture on the bottom of the letter..
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For quite awhile I've wanted to get a FSM logo to stick on the back of my car. (Like the Jesus fish.) I have a Darwin Fish, but even in this city I'm a bit apprehensive of putting it on my car. I stuck a magnet to the back of my Darwin fish and keep it on my refrigerator.
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Maria,
The best! Thank you.
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It says a lot about your community that you need to be careful about the Darwin fish. Is your area one where the creation myth is taught instead of evolution? Most peculiar.
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Have you ever heard of the book "What's the Matter With Kansas?"
The Flying Spaghetti Monster was first mentioned in protest to the Kansas State school board allowing the teaching of creation and intelligent design in science classes here in Kansas. I have seen cars around with Darwin fish, but I'm just not comfortable putting one on my own car.
I'm really sad about the school situation here now; when I was in school (I grew up in Kansas), I got a really excellent science education, and we had a health/sexuality course in high school. There was no opt-in or opt-out or whatever they do now to prevent kids from learning how to protect themselves and be responsible, everyone took it. (In my graduating class of 400, there were exactly zero teen pregnancies, so something worked.)
If I recall correctly, it is no longer grounds for termination to teach evolution here, but it has to be presented as a "theory" alongside intelligent design/creation. Even in science classes.
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lassie ... In a better world it would be a peculiar worry but in a great deal of the USA it is not. I had an urge to put a FSM decal on my car but it would most likely get my car keyed. Fundies are conformists and do not tolerate any disagreement without feeling they have the right to punish you for it.
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The most frustrating thing about all of the theory of evolution issues is the complete failure to comprehend the nature of science. Of course, here, I am preaching to the choir, but darn it, "theory" means it is accepted fully because it is consistent with all observable evidence. How can a science class teach evolution as "just a theory" without failing to teach the concept "theory"? Well, I suppose they could simply say it is just a theory...fully accepted as the best possible explanation for all observable evidence... I wouldn't last in Kansas as a biology teacher. Just too darned subversive in my acceptance of standard scientific concepts. I would get fired for sure.
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I agree with the biology things. I am grateful to have been in school when I was. There was religion in my high school - in the (elective) Comparative Religions course, where it belonged.
I think it says something about my state when I'm in one of the biggest cities and am still not comfortable doing something as simple as putting a Darwin fish on my car. No way I'd want to live anywhere even more "small town."
I checked Amazon, and they offer a FSM emblem with a magnet on the back. I'll probably toss one in my basket next time I need to round up to get free shipping on something.
It can hang out on my fridge with Darwin. 0 -
Cottontail = never thought of looking at Amazon - definitely on my "round up for free shipping list" - thanks!
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My DS is a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Has it framed on the wall. I don't think he's ever worried about what other people think. He has a white van with fish themed bathroom stickers all over it. You know the ones for the tub to keep from slipping. You can't move into a town with that car without people noticing and wondering.
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What do I have to do to become a FSM minister? I feel the call.
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Ooohhh...I FEEL THE CALL TOO.....glad it's contagious...
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i consider myself kind of knowledgeable and sort of well read but I had never heard of the fsm or this church. I was reading some Rachel Maddow stuff (she is one of my idols) and believe it or not she did a whole story on Darwin's birthday and Pastafarianism..... I was amazed. I am now humbled at the thought that I can actually become a follower. I don't feel quite ready to be a minister just yet, but one of the flock, without a doubt. It makes more sense then the rest of them lol....
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Yea, Pastafarianism is growing - Rachel Maddow lives near here - and she is a LOCAL HERO, real hero, also makes me SMILE to think of her success...
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DS said he sent $25 and they sent the certificate. I think he said to a place in Salem OR. I can ask him for the website.
On another note, what can you say when someone dies and everyone is sending prayers for her family & friends? I would love to have sent words of comfort to Marybe's family & friends.
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Send your love, send your thoughts, wish them peace, etc.... Tell them how much she meant to you. Tell a story about her. I never send prayers because it would be hypocritical. Only in modern day America can you be looked down upon for believing in science and nature and things that don't involve magic men in the sky. On other threads, when women are going into surgery, I send good vibes, healing vibes, best wishes.... As I said before, when I came out of surgery for the massive complication where I almost croaked, many said "god was with you".... then tell me, where was god for the other people who died in that same hospital on that same day.... please....god was not with me...a good surgeon was.
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interesting question.... HEALING for her friends and family, healing, and in time, warm memories, I don't think there's a "right" or not way to express love, friendship, love, and more love...everything be said...
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"where was god for the other people who died in that same hospital on that same day.... please....god was not with me...a good surgeon was."
Right on, Bev! right on!!
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bevg49 - Your comment Only in modern America......sorry my computer won't copy & paste....anyway, would also add certain fundamentalist islamic countries ---all tribal mentality, one almost as wacky as the other especially since they have the VERY SAME GOD!....well one much wackier and scvarier than the other but both on the same track.
I don't think there's much of a fsm movement in Canada (I might be wrong cause I'mmostly out of the loop) because we don't don't need to mount an opposition to the bible belt cuz, as far as I know, we mercifully don't have one.
Quite right -send Marybe and her family loving condolences from the heart. May she have had a happy life. May her family's pain eventually diminish. May she have touched people with her love.
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bevg49 - Your comment Only in modern America......sorry my computer won't copy & paste....anyway, would also add certain fundamentalist islamic countries ---all tribal mentality, one almost as wacky as the other especially since they have the VERY SAME GOD!....well one much wackier and scvarier than the other but both on the same track.
I don't think there's much of a fsm movement in Canada (I might be wrong cause I'mmostly out of the loop) because we don't don't need to mount an opposition to the bible belt cuz, as far as I know, we mercifully don't have one.
Quite right -send Marybe and her family loving condolences from the heart. May she have had a happy life. May her family's pain eventually diminish. May she have touched people with her love.
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Wren, as the others wrote, you send love, warm thoughts, loving memories of the person who has died.... like someone said I can't actually say I'm praying for someone, but often people who do believe assume you mean prayer when you say they are in your thoughts... I don't think I'm being hyprocritical to NOT put them right.... (or am I??? It's just when someone is grieving isn't the time to start a philsophical discussion on the non/existence of god..)..
bev49, as Flannelette remarked, modern America is certainly NOT the only place in the world where findamentalism is thriving...pretty much everywhere is I'm afraid! Have any of you read the story of the young Christian Pakistani girl (I think she is about 8 years old, and has mental difficulties), who was arrested for apparently tearing up pages from the Koran... fundamentalist Moslems were howling for her blood, demanding the death penalty... it soon transpired that a local Imam, to create more anti-Christian feeling had torn the pages himself and planted them to make it look that the girl had done it....since then he has been arrested, but I've heard nothing about the girl..her family had feared that they would be hounded out of the village, but don't know what has actually happened... All over Europe there is a frightening growth of right wing parties, often white Christian (though not always, not necessarily linked to a magic man in the sky) Aryan types ,but demonstrating very frightening anti-moslem/black/immigrant/semitic, anti anything which is different feelings... reinforcing their ideas by excluding others.. they give me the creeps.
Flannellette, what's going on with the rash?
edited to correct spelling mistakes..once a teacher....
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oh, I know we are not the only country with bigotted fundamentalism. It's just, we were doing so good for so long lol.... It's just a shock how it has switched to that way and it's all political. A vote republican is a vote to go backwards. They base their decisions on the bible, just like they do in the Muslim world. I was raised jewish so I'm very aware of the anti semetic, anti black movement in Europe but I don't think it's very religious, just very hateful. People who don't have much needing scapegoats. I was just referring in the change in our country. This is NOT supposed to be a christian country but they are trying hard to make it so. I know it goes on other places but it scares me here because here is where I live.
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and if it were going on here I'd be scared s..less. too creepy.
thanks for asking, Maria, the itchy volcanoes long gone, but odd hard little white bumps here & there on one arm - I suppose it's just another small manifestation of the underlying - body imbalance? 65 bday coming up and have planned a Reiki treatment with a very good, intuitive Reiki person. am suddenly into energetic medicine again. But have to drive far for good acupuncture so starting w Reiki and maybe some exercises I can do. Have never (except once) been plagued w skin problems and I'm pretty sure to do with energy cause last time (9 yrs ago) it was just about as awful, dr couldn't figure it out, and it was cured almost instantly with the correct homeopathic treatment. this time the new homeopathist I saw didn't hit the nail on the head. It's neurodermatitis ie the mind is the main player. Thing is, hope it doesn't go on and on cause if every mammo they see a new lymph node yikes!
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