Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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Good point about the gender discrepancy.
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Almost all religions put extra burdens on the female relating to "purity" of person, dress, and behavior. It's although religion itself was created to control women.
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Well duh! Women's value in primitive societies was obvious - we made babies. Men had to invent their reasons for being important. So they became "God's" chosen gender.
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That makes sense, in a pathetic kind of way.
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...and the cooking, and drawing the water from the river, and tending & harvesting the crops, and making whatever clothes were needed, and the nursing when someone was sick, and..... Following right along with the gender discrepancy!!!
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Churches need women to do the praying, to cook and clean for the clerics, to get the men into the pews. In my neighborhood, I see the women waiting on the catholic priests , who do not have wives, so the women in their churches dote on them like they are children, celebrate their birthdays in much bigger ways than they do for their own families, while at the same time calling them father. It is so bizarre.
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I was raised Catholic and bizarre doesn't begin to describe it.
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If the ladies dote on the priest, at least they have a hope of currying favor with god in the afterlife. What thanks do they get at home for all the work they do? It makes sense to me, sadly. They're taking care of the person who might gain them something.
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maybe they think some of the "godliness" will rub off on them.
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A lot of the women at the Catholic church my husband attended in the 1980s and 90s had the hots for the priests. They weren't that good-looking, but those women were like teenyboppers chasing a rock star. I guess they thought it was a safe crush - and it was, because the priests prefer them much younger of either sex. The other annoying thing was when they wanted parishioners to help with the big annual cleaning (before Easter, I think), they'd schedule men's chores at night, but women's during the day on weekdays. Then they'd complain that younger women weren't volunteering. Those sexist idiots thought all the young women should be 1950s housewives.
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There's no difference between "men's chores" and "women's chores". That's just as stupid as assuming that women don't have day jobs.
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testing
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I recently had someone tell me they are trying to help a single dad by making some meals for him & his kids. I would have had no issue with this until she said, “poor guy. He works all day and has to come home and make dinner, do homework, kids activities”. I responded that single moms have been doing this for years and rarely does someone make meals for them, or mow their lawn, clean gutters.... just saying
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As most religions are patriarchal, it very much is about controlling women. Among other things, society in general cannot handle the sensuality of women. Religions place priorities on purity. I recently read a book on the topic, and it’s appalling the adverse effect the purity movement has on a woman’s sexuality not to mention her self worth.
It’s an interesting observation, how women baby priests but call them Father. Quite dysfunctional, actually. A Church of Christ assembly in town holds a big mother’s day luncheon where all the men cook and serve the women and clean up. One friggin’’ day of the year. Oh, the mens think they are so generous to do this! “Look, we really do appreciate our womens.”
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Being a good atheist, my husband does 70% of the cooking and 95% of the dishes and all of his own laundry, all the grocery shopping (I unload the car) and all of the household finances. He is disabled and he figures he has to do his best to pull his weight since everything else is up to me.
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Ananda, Good for him! My husband does that much cooking and grocery shopping but I do all the dishes. I think he cooks because I'm a really lousy cook.
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My hubby does all the laundry, mostly because he can still handle stairs and I have major problems with them. Poor guy never learned to cook, so he better hope I stay alive a long time. I don't understand not being able to cook. If you can read, you should be able to follow a recipe.
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I can follow a recipe. It's hard for me to put 2 foods together to make a meal. And a meal that has to have 3 things ready at the same time is so anxiety provoking I want to cry. I think it's a little harder when you don't eat meat. Growing up we had meat, potatoes and a vegetable or two every night. I could do that, but we don't eat meat.
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Wren-
I can cook, but I'm a lazy vegetarian, so I eat a lot on sandwiches 😂 And my boyfriend will either just go out, or eat rice. I feel your pain.
It's so unhealthy for both of us and I honestly miss "dinner at the table."I'm working on slowly adding more to the menu around here. Just a side and a salad. Or a protein. I'm working my way up to actual meal plans and really healthy vegan dishes.
I'm hoping if i go slow, I'll also learn how to manage my time better, and clean as i go so I don't end up with a sick full of dishes to do after eating ( which is what happens now.)
Maybe just incremental change can help you with the anxiety of it?
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I do about 80% of the cooking because I love to cook. Love it. In our house, if one cooks the other cleans up after dinner. I also handle all the finances, retirement accounts, and do our taxes every year, because I am good at it. My husband does virtually all the grocery shopping and other errands. We both do laundry. He probably does 75% of the house cleaning. Really, our chores are divvied out based on skills and interests rather than gender.
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It is so refreshing to hear about equality based on talents rather than gender. Congrats to all couples who team up.
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Just as in religion, women are conditioned from a very young age to do what is often referred to as menial tasks. That which is lesser. Too many women accept those roles without ever questioning them, just like believing in a religion handed down to them from a previous generation without ever questioning the whys behind the beliefs.
One reason I married my husband was I knew he would do domestic chores. We split a lot of them. The only thing I do that he does not is clean the litter box, and that's because I have a certain way I do it and don't want him interfering with my method. He does his laundry but I would never have him do mine because I have my own way for that, too. We play to our own strengths. We also try to keep things as simple as possible and make things as easy on each other as possible.
For a long time, because of conditioned beliefs, I saw our roles as husband and wife. These days I phase our relationship as partners. We are equals.
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Is it any wonder that supporting a women for the highest high political office in the US is impossible. Women are supposed to support men, be ladylike (i.e. not say anything unkind, not speak over a man, not give orders to men, not expect men to do their fair share, not expect equal pay, etc. etc.). Hmmm, would the presidential salary of a woman be the same as for the man. I found that it will take 39years—or until 2059—for women to finally reach pay parity.
After decades of my lifetime, I'm so tired of this repeating conversation. One minute I'm ready to just go numb and the next I'm back in the struggle.
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Bloomberg supported a lot of Dems during the last elections to Congress. Of the 21 people he donated to who were elected all but 6 were women. Get more women in the House and the Senate, pay parity will be taken care of. The two term mayor of Washington DC has endorsed Bloomberg. D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser is a woman and black. She said, "I think what Mike has said is that he's used crude language. And I'm pretty sure that all of us can imagine Wall Street 30 years ago, male-dominated. And I think we would all be very naive if we thought a lot of crude remarks didn't happen."...The mayor said she was more disturbed by a Politico report that six women of color left Warren's campaign staff in Nevada because they felt ignored and treated like tokens. Warren apologized after the report was published, saying she believed the women. Anyone expecting purity is naïve.
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If a priest's title is "Father", why do they get so nervous when you call them Daddy?
https://www.theonion.com/catholic-church-releases-new-molestation-proof-altar-bo-1829275247
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Urgh, I may have put my giant foot into it. I follow my son's church on FB. Yesterday they posted a picture of some women cleaning the kitchen in their multi-use building, with a "Thank you to the women" note. Even though I'm not a member, I mentioned that I was disappointed that an otherwise progressive church divides tasks by gender. I got two quick responses: one from a WOMAN complaining that "You feminists always cross the line" 🙄, and the other from the person who administers their FB page explaining it was their women's group who was cleaning as a thank-you for using the space. I had just responded to comment #1 with "Where exactly is that line?" and had started to respond to the second, thanking them for the information, when the whole post went kablooie and disappeared. So I don't know if their admin is mad at me, or at the June Cleaver who answered me, or if they are just chicken shits. I'm going to dinner there tomorrow, so I guess I'll find out if there are spears thrown when I enter the hall. Shall I wear an armored Mardi Gras outfit?
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and they wonder why churches are losing members.
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The most likely reason churches are losing members is the apostasy predicted in 2 Thes 2:3....
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
I see this happening a lot, and many are falling away (apostatizing) from the faith (Christianity). Just another sign of the End Times.
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/?ex_cid...
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Our winter has been really mild so far. I have almost finished pruning all of our bushes and will start light fertilizing by the end of the week. We have has almost none stop rain. It sprinkles almost every day and full on rains at least twice a week. All this water leaches nutrients from the soil so fertilizer in very light dustings is required to keep my bushes and flower beds in good health. I'll post some pictures when things start warming up.
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