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  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 312
    edited June 2010

    Sooo natural girls... is there anyone here who has an interest in the New World Order/global elite (basically, the monopolistic mega-corporations like Monsanto, Chase Bank, etc. that have infiltrated and started controlling many aspects of our lives)?

    I know, I know, most would label it "conspiracy theory"... I personally rolled my eyes at any suggestion of that stuff up until about three years ago... but the evidence is all there.

    I was reading notes from a lecture given in 1969 to a select number of doctors that outlined the NWO's plans for, well, a lot of things, including medicine. I just came across this tidbit that really ticked me off. Whether it's true or not that this was their goal, for this to even be claimed or stated as a goal makes me sick!! 

    SUPPRESSING CANCER CURES AS A MEANS OF POPULATION CONTROL

    Cancer. He said. "We can cure almost every cancer right now. Information is on file in the Rockefeller Institute, if it's ever decided that it should be released. But consider - if people stop dying of cancer, how rapidly we would become overpopulated. You may as well die of cancer as something else." Efforts at cancer treatment would be geared more toward comfort than toward cure. There was some statement that ultimately the cancer cures which were being hidden in the Rockefeller Institute would come to light because independent researchers might bring them out, despite these efforts to suppress them. But at least for the time being, letting people die of cancer was a good thing to do because it would slow down the problem of overpopulation.

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 506
    edited June 2010

    Julia, yes, I've read about the new world order numerous times.  It simply sounds insane to me, and the implications paint such a very dark picture that I can't spend much time contemplating it.  Same goes for Codex Alimentarious.  ...except for codex, I've had to read and listen to many videos and audios to even make heads or tails out of what codex is. 

    I was listening to an interview last night that finally cast codex into a light where I could comprehend it -- to the extent that it's comprehensable.  It sort of reminds of years ago when I first did some learning about verbal abuse.  One author describes how abusive people are simply engaging in behavior that makes no sense, and their partners wrap themselves into a pretzel trying to make sense out of behavior that makes no sense.  It's a losing proposition for the person being abused.  I don't know if this interview is especially illuminating, or if I've simply acquired enough of a world view to comprehend the context of how such an insane plan could be conceived and pursued.  It just really make my brain cells commit hari-kari to think about it.  Here's the link if anyone's interested.  http://www.innovativehealing.com/specific-topics/codex-alimentarius

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 312
    edited June 2010

    Althea, *shudder* that is chilling!! I knew about Codex in regards to severely limiting vitamins/supplements, but I didn't know about the other aspects it would require. Truly evil.

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 506
    edited June 2010

    Julia, did you already listen to the interview?  There's 4 tabs on that page that might be easy to overlook.  The interview audios are on the second tab.  And if you really want some information overload, go to http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 312
    edited June 2010

    Oh, thanks, I just read the article so far but will listen to the audio and check out that last link too! Thanks!

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited June 2010

    Although I am slowly coming around to a group of evil "they", I also believe that instead of being evil "they" could be stupid.  http://www.searchlores.org/realicra/basiclawsofhumanstupidity.htm

    I do disagree that "they" are trying to control population by withholding a cure for cancer.  If they wanted to control population they would make birth control pills that caused permanent infertility in 30% of the women who used them.  Control the fertility of women and you control the population. Of course "they" would also have to prevent data on infertility from being properly collected and analyzed.  In the computer age, this would not be difficult.

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 312
    edited June 2010

    notself, fair enough, although I think the "evil they" take full advantage of the "stupid they" -- i.e. the masses who gleefully volunteer for their own enslavement by throwing themselves into the maximum amount of debt possible, by shutting off their brains and entering voluntary hypnosis during every minute of their free time through television/video game/Internet addictions and refusing to read/think anything beyond what their television tells them to think, etc.

    I've read studies about the dramatically falling birth rate and skyrocketing infertility, and I'm not sure your idea of birth control pills that cause permanent infertility is that far-fetched. There are other ways they can get sterilizing agents into us (e.g. vaccines -- Bill Gates accidentally blurted out during a keynote address recently that one of the ways we can bring the population down is with "the right vaccines" -- hm, really? I thought vaccines were supposed to save lives, not reduce them??).

  • SuperMom101
    SuperMom101 Member Posts: 65
    edited June 2010

    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."  - Ben Franklin

    And, the cure for breast cancer is prevention.

    Thankfully over 9 years ago when my team told me to get a second if not a third opinion for my course of treatment I came across the book Your Life in Your Hands: Understanding, preventing and overcoming breast cancer.  It is Jane Plant's personal experience with breast cancer over 5 times.  The name of the book has now changed to the The No-Dairy Breast Cancer Prevention Program.  And, since my tumor was hormone receptive, I follow her no-dairy, organic meat only diet.  Just had my 9 year check up and as I posted earlier, "all is well."

    I remind myself that many of my molecular biologist friends tell me that since a pill can change my molecular structure so can my food. And, I remind myself that I don't need a chemistry degree to know that an apple is better for me than a poptart. 

    Everyone keep posting!  We're listening...

  • somanywomen
    somanywomen Member Posts: 82
    edited June 2010

    SuperMom..congrats on 9 year check-up, sometimes the number of recurrences posted vs the non-recurrence numbers can cause anxiety of being blind-sided again...I have also basically given up dairy (use to be a heavy milk drinker) and eating hormone free meats, grass fed and organics as much possible...Since starting this bc life change last Oct, I have lost 14 lbs, brought up my Vit D levels from 28 to 45 and have dropped my total cholesterol from 232 to 200...so I know that what we put in and on our bodies (also changed all body products to non-chemical) has a major effect on us...

    That is a great paragraph of common sense that you mentioned above "I remind myself that many of my molecular biologist friends tell me that since a pill can change my molecular structure so can my food. And, I remind myself that I don't need a chemistry degree to know that an apple is better for me than a poptart." an organic apple of course!......

    Drinking milk from a cow should be thought of as no more natural than drinking milk from a rat! ...Our babies are not calves, it just should not seem normal as the advertising companies preach to us about the benefits of milk from another animal to feed to humans!!!

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited June 2010

    Since I have stopped eating wheat in the form of white flour and dairy products, I have lost five pounds in a little over 2 weeks.  I am not hungry all the time the way I used to be.  I sleep better.  I have more energy.  I have always been mildly sensitive to dairy but what the heck is in wheat?  I used to be able to eat pasta, etc.  Now it makes me feel unwell.

  • somanywomen
    somanywomen Member Posts: 82
    edited June 2010
    notself....You know with your tried results above from stopping wheat foods, I believe I will give it a try for a few weeks, I don't eat a lot of wheat products but I haven't tried taking a break from them to see if there is a benefit...You know it's really not that hard to change your diet and probably one of the best things we can do for ourselves to have a little control of our lives back!!
  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 1,418
    edited June 2010

    Good luck.

  • lava
    lava Member Posts: 14
    edited June 2010

    Hi Notself,

    Since you feel so much better by cutting out dairy and wheat, it's possible you may have Celiac Disease.  If you do, what you really need to avoid is all sources of gluten (not just wheat).  I was diagnosed with CD 4 months ago and feel much better from eliminating all sources of gluten.  There are many online sources that can explain it better than I can.  www.celiac.com, www.celiac.org. and , of course, Mayo Clinic.  Basically, I need to avoid all wheat, rye, oats, and barley.  While you can buy gluten free bread, cookies, etc., it's better to eat fruit, veggies, organic meat, etc.  There are entire books with lists of "safe" foods and even topical products, since rashes can be a part of CD.  Canada and Europe are way ahead of the USA in diagnosing and treating the genetic disorder.  In Europe, it takes weeks to get diagnosed.  In the USA it takes, on average, a decade.  CD is most common in women of European descent.  Just a thought.  Be well!

  • SuperMom101
    SuperMom101 Member Posts: 65
    edited June 2010

    Thanks so much for the post.  I'm curious how many of us out there no longer consume dairy and eat only organic meats that have no added growth hormones, steroids or antibiotics?  Has there ever been a discussion posted about no-dairy diets?  It's really the quallity of my food and not the quanity thatr's important.   

    p.s.Yes, it's an organic apple (usually).  I have the good fortune to live in the Northeast where apples are abundant in the Fall and we have many great farmer's markets.

  • Rose47
    Rose47 Member Posts: 33
    edited June 2010

    Ladies, Have you tried the NEW All Natural Antioxidant 100% juice, no sugar added. It's called "Naked" - Pomegranate juice is one and another is Pomegranate and Blueberry. So good!!  Also, "Wholly Guacamole" -  natural ingredients like peppers, onions - no soy and no mayo. It's so yummy too!!

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 312
    edited June 2010

    Rose, I don't really buy juice from the store, but I definitely have had Wholly Guacamole quite a few times and LOOOOOVE it. I haven't bought it in a while though. So no MSG in it definitely?

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 506
    edited June 2010

    I don't buy juice from a store either.  I make my own.  All the storebought juice is pasteurized to prolong shelf life. 

    Guacamole is very easy to make also.  Avocado mixed with lime or lemon juice to delay oxidation for a little while.  Then add chopped tomato, parsley or cilantro, finely chopped onion, finely chopped bell pepper, or a hotter pepper if you like, unrefined sea salt.  Delish.  I made some last week and the pepper, parsley and tomato came from my own garden.  Sometimes I wonder if I've turned into the most boring person on earth, but that doesn't keep me from feeling mighty content as I chow down. 

    And re MSG, y'all know that the manufacterers are still putting it in their products even though it's not listed on the ingredients, right?  They just don't call it MSG anymore!  Ever wonder what "natural flavoring" is?  Dr Blaylock explains it in the interview link listed below.  It's a 3-part interview.  If I linked to the wrong one, try the other parts.  

    renegadehealth.com/blog/ episode 593

  • Rose47
    Rose47 Member Posts: 33
    edited June 2010

    That's what it says Julia - " 20 vitamins and minerals and more potassium than a banana. It contains avocados, pureed jalapeno puree, onion, salt, and garlic. It contains no MSG and no hydrogenated oils.

    I stopped buying store juice too until I found the brand Naked - it says no added sugar, preservatives, artificial colors or flavors.

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 506
    edited June 2010

    Here's a list of other named ingredients that are either msg by another name, or additives that contain msg:

    • Sources of MSG include:
    • Monosodium Glutamate,
    • Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein,
    • Vegetable Protein,
    • Hydrolyzed Plant Protein,
    • Plant Protein Extract,
    • Sodium Caseinate,
    • Calcium Caseinate,
    • Yeast Extract,
    • Textured Protein,
    • Autolyzed Protein,
    • Autolyzed Yeast,
    • Hydrolyzed Oat Flour.
    • Additives frequently containing MSG:
    • Malt extract,
    • Malt Flavoring,
    • Bouillon,
    • Broth,
    • Stock,
    • Flavoring,
    • Natural Flavoring,
    • Natural Beef or Chicken Flavoring,
    • Seasoning and Spices.
    This information was written by Dr Blaylock.  Things like seasonings and spices are surely not always laced with msg, but it sure goes to show the intent of the industry is to deceive when they circumvent a consumer's wish to avoid MSG by simply changing the name of the ingredient. 
  • SuperMom101
    SuperMom101 Member Posts: 65
    edited June 2010

    WOW! Never realized MSG is still so prevelant.  Your last line is perfect:

     it sure goes to show the intent of the industry is to deceive when they circumvent a consumer's wish to avoid MSG by simply changing the name of the ingredient. 

    I feel the same way about cow's milk (the natural hormones) and rBGH (the gentically engineered growth hormone.) 

    Anyone else see the movie Food Inc?

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 506
    edited June 2010

    I read the book Food Inc.  I was starting to find it all so depressing.  It is depressing.  But then, we also have the option to DO something, and it was my inspiration to grow a vegetable garden for the first time.  I just got home from shopping and I can't decide whether to make guacamole or gazpacho or both. 

    Another thing I got today -- finally -- was a copy of The Omnivore's Dilemma.  I placed a hold on it at the library clear back in January and I've waited all this time for it to be my turn.  I read In Defense of Food by the same author, and boy howdy, is that ever an education in food.  I love his phrase "food-like substances" when he describes the majority of what's for sale at the grocery.  

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited June 2010

    I just read a very powerful story tonight that had recently appeared in The New York Times.  It's not about breast cancer or alternative therapies, but when you read it, you'll see why I wanted to share it with you.  

    I hope you find it as thought-provoking as I did.    Deanna

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/magazine/20pacemaker-t.html?pagewanted=1&ref=general&src=me

  • mollyann
    mollyann Member Posts: 148
    edited June 2010

    Thank you. This article is a must read for learning everything you can about the downsides of a procedure before you get it, and why we cannot just take doctors' recommendations without researching them.

    Very moving story. Great details. I'm sure it will help a lot of people who would just do the kneejerk thing and get a pacemaker. Oddly, when a cardiologist tried to talk my uncle into one his primary care talked him out of it. We never understood exactly why. Now I see.

  • somanywomen
    somanywomen Member Posts: 82
    edited June 2010

    althea, thanks for MSG list (I just printed it)....I rarely eat any snacks that are not organic these days, but the other day a bag of "Cheetos" was staring me in the face and I broke down and bought it, after eating the whole small bag, I looked on the ingredients list (a little too late!!)..and there it was "monosodium glutamate", plain as day....You can't trust anything.....thanks for list.....

    I know that most of us on this topic are very aware of the hormone mimicking ways of  BPA's (Bisphenol A) that is leeching it's way into our bodies via anyway it can (esp., all can goods, plastic containers and just too many other products to list)...

    I was reading an article this morning that said that it was actually first made in 1891 as a chemical structure to be used as an estrogen replacement!!!!!

    Beware of all can goods......I no longer buy anything in cans, but just shocked at how much of this stuff has been allowed in our foods while many studies show that this is a endocrine disrupter and linked to a number of health problems including breast cancer....

  • lava
    lava Member Posts: 14
    edited June 2010

    Deanna, thank you so much for posting the NY Times article.  I am in total agreement with the author.  I, too, have come to view most "medical people" as technicians with wares or services to sell.  Mostly, I don't blame the people.  I think it is a natural result of our system.  Fee-for-service and far too strapped for time.  As a result of my last 3 years experience with "medical care", I will be far more reluctant to do what they say I should.  My final test is, "What do I think is best for me?"  The problem is that all this "stuff" needs to be decided BEFORE a person is too sick to think straight.  Need to update all my legal papers (will, living will, power of attorney, etc.).  I'm only 60 years old and the vast majority of my relatives live to 80-100 years.  I'll be shocked if I make that--or anything close!

  • mandy1313
    mandy1313 Member Posts: 978
    edited June 2010

    The NY Times article is enough to make anyone pause for thought. It applies, not only to pacemakers, but to other treatments as well.  In part my problem with the cancer treatments offered is that they may cure the cancer and then affect other aspects of your life in very negative ways. It would be good if an internist and an oncologist would sit there with your records and work together to come up with some kind of humane plan.  Putting me on drugs that, for example, will affect my cognitive function may increase my lifespan, but at what cost.  I am forced to sit there and juggle my options on my own. This is something that I find very frustrating and which the article brought home to me.

  • Suzanne3131
    Suzanne3131 Member Posts: 2,000
    edited June 2010

    Thanks Deanna ~ What an important article!  

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 339
    edited June 2010

    Deanna, reminds me of when I worked as a nurse in the ICU.  Some of the things that were done to people just to keep their bodies alive longer used to make me sick.  Luckily I got out of there and work  in Labor and Delivery now for the past 10 years.  Sometimes, the overuse of technology there can be annoying too, like when the pt. is laboring with 10 different wired devices attached to her and stuck in the bed.  I much prefer the births managed by the midwives, who let their patients walk around and drink clear fluids, as well as do everything possible to avoid a C-Section for their patients.  My hospital has a low C-Section rate mainly because most of the patients are clinic pts., who are managed by in house physicians, who are there for the whole shift, no matter what type of birth the pt. has.    I've heard that in many of the hospitals, where the doctors are private OBs, the pt. is more likely to end up with a C-Section, and indeed their C/S rates are much higher.  Private docs have office practices to rush back to, so they will speed up the birth rather than wait around for nature to take its course.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited June 2010

    Deann-thanks for sharing that article. It really hits home right now, because we have a similar situation dealing with my grandmother, which I plan to blog about on my website, and this article will be a great thing to add to the topic. What great timing because I have been trying to find a tie-in to my grandmother's story. Thanks!

    SuperMom-Jane Plants book was one of the first books I read after dx, and we have talked about it a lot here and on other threads. You should look back at the discussions and see some of the hatefulness from the naysayers we got from this topic. The naysayers just will not believe that there is anything wrong with our food. But after giving up dairy, I lost weight so easily, so I know it made a difference for me. If I eat ice cream now, my stomach let's me know. It is amazing how much more intuned we become to our bodies when we take care of ourselves. I must admit, I do love cheese, but I only use hormone and antibiotic free, and do not eat it often. It does not seem to talk back. I find the best rule about eating healthy is simply -if the food is  white, don't take a bite!

  • my560sel
    my560sel Member Posts: 399
    edited June 2010

    I'm reading a book by Kevin Trudeau on "Natural cures they don't want you to know about" and he says that it's probably a good idea to take digestive enzmes. At the moment I'm not taking any but I'd like to add them to my list of supplements. What brand of digestive enzymes are you taking and are there some that are better than others? What should I be looking for?

    Edited to add: Just wondering what brand of DIM you are taking? I've been taking Nature's Way but maybe looking to change since the pills are only 50mg each and I take 4 a day. Would be great to only have to take 1 or 2 and get at least 400-500mg of DIM.

    Terri