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Several observations about Dr. Oz's video about breast cancer prevention:
Sheryl Crow was paid to wear a milk moustache when first treated for breast cancer and here she is chatting about all the healthy green leafy vegetables she eats. Her first comment was very...very...interesting, "everything in moderation." HUH? Then Dr. Oz and his attractive female guests talk about olive oil and turmeric and about getting vitamin D from dairy products. WHAT? To me this is a thinly veiled commercial by several industries. Never ever did they mention specific studies (and most importantly who funded them).
The reason women who drink 3 cups of tea can cut their breast cancer risk in half is because they are Asian and they do not consume dairy to begin with. It's like we are always looking at one side of the coin. I only started drinking green tea seven years ago because I worked with a molecular biologist from China and she showed me the "real" green tea they drink in Chinatown.
So...the misinformation will have women purchase more leafy green vegetables, turmeric, green tea, olive oil and unfortunately more aspirin, ibuprofen and dairy. Thank goodness I never watch these shows. It makes me sad for all the women who are running out to buy dairy and green tea with ibuprofen.
p.s. I pulled the cow's milk out of the fridge (we still have organic in the house for the kids but they rarely use it...thank goodness) and my soy milk. Guess what! Soy milk has more vitamin D than cow's milk. How come no one mentioned that?
I think these mice in the kitchen cabinets are really getting to me...I'm going out for a walk since it's a beautiful day and I'm out of the office today because the electricty is out in our office building.
Best health always,
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Patty-
I use compounded bioidentical vaginal estriol cream twice a week - works like a dream, and even my onc was OK with it. It is the protective estrogen and improved my estriol ratio.
Beth
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I have just added this thread to my list of favorites. I was beginning to tire of sharing healthy alternatives to a deaf audience. Still, if I can reach one person, it is worth it.
Supermom: Sorry about the mice problem--really difficult to get rid of. Question: I drink Sencha green tea plus do the Life Extensions Green Tea Extract to ensure what I am doing is enough. What is the "real" green tea??
Question: I take echinachea, garlic and Vit E instead of the aspirin to keep the blood thin. I was told by my dr. (Dr.Galizer from the Knockout book) that all cancer patients seem to have "thicker" blood which is probably why they promote aspirin as a preventativve. Anyone here doing anything else instead of aspirin?
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Thanks Beth. I will get with my alternative doc. Do you do the progesterone cream as well? I have read that vaginal estrogen does not get absorbed into the blood stream or very little of it does.
Patty
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Patty-
Yep - I do the progestrone as well. I do 25 days on - 5 days off.
Dr. WRight says that the best way to abosrb progestrone is via the labia - mucously(sp?).
I have no clue how much estriol is getting absorbed - but I am very happy with my estriol level.
Good Luck!
Beth
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Thanks again Beth. I know we have discussed this before but my memory is terrible these days. I must really need the estriol! So you put the estriol cream up and the progestrone on, lol??????
Patty
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Patty-
Exactly!
Beth
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I have been rubbing bio identical progesterone cream into my arms, legs and stomach for the past few months. Just recently I read that it was better to rub it into the labia. Does anyone here do that? Is it really OK to do so? I guess I'm just being stupid about worrying about putting it there because I am PR + but I guess rubbing it into my arms or stomach is not any better, it's still being absorbed....
Terri
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MBJ ~ On Dr. Galizer's thicker blood observation... I'm thinking this is probably related to the higher homocysteine and cholesterol levels many of us experienced post-chemo. My integrative-minded PCP had put me on an RX for it called Metanx, which is a high-dose B6, B12 & Folic Acid. I've since switched myself to a natural version (Homocysteine Modulators by Solgar), and my blood is much improved. But immediately post-chemo, one of my onc's nurses had actually commented on how difficult my blood was to draw because it was so thick, and she also pointed out visible tiny fat globules suspended throughout it. (YUK!)
While aspirin may thin your blood, it's addressing the symptom and not the cause, which the nutrients should improve. Deanna
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I kind of forgot about that news about aspirin....Do any of you ladies take aspirin as a supplement?
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SuperMom, I thought that there was a special ingredient in green tea that shows anti-cancer properties? http://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/news/20080407/green-tea-ingredient-slows-breast-cancer
Agree with you on the dairy, and the ibuprofen. I think something they are overlooking is that aspirin is derived from salycylic acid, and it's much more "natural" in base than Ibuprofen, which has been linked to all sorts of liver/kidney problems. There is actually a study that says that patients who received 80mg (baby aspirin) dose every other day showed a significantly lower rate of recurrance.
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Suzanne,
I take a baby aspiring every other day. It helps me with any aches and pains, as well as with IBS.... so if it's not helping the BC, then at least I'm getting some use out of it!
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Besides the mice in the cabinets I think all this pink washing on the spin cycle is making me nauseous.
Thanks so much for your post about the green tea. Your question is exactly my point. What is more important is what we are NOT putting in to our bodies. Do you continue to consume dairy (ice cream, yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese, etc) because it is naturally high in growth hormones. It is another mammal's milk that is designed (by nature) to take the calf to a cow in less than a year. You mix that with a cow kept artifically pregnant for 9 months of the year, the artificial growth hormones to produce MORE cow's milk and antibiotics because of the infections combined with steroids and hormones given to beef to make them grow faster and all the nutrient deficient food and I don't believe it will matter how much "real" green tea one drinks.
Most of our tumor's are hormone receptive. Even the lovely oncologist on Dr. Oz's video said estrogen feeds and fuels cancer and then she tells us to eat dairy to get vitamin D. If you sit in sunshine for 15 minutes you'll get vitamin D but there's no one promoting sunshine. My soy milk has more vitamin D than cow's milk so my guess is the dairy industry paid for the studies.
To those that have contacted me privately I can't say enough about Jane Plant's book about dairy, diet and breast cancer called Your Life in Your Hands. (She experienced 5 recurrences and the last time was told she had 3 months to live.) I had NO IDEA that what I was eating could be making me sick.
Since being treated nearly ten years ago, I only eat very limited amounts of organic meat, NO DAIRY EVER, and drink soy milk for the hot flashes. I used to juice every day and don't any more and only take a supplement when I'm feeling really run down. It's all natural liquid from Whole Foods.
I believe the Cure for Breast Cancer is prevention and until we put 50% of our research dollars in to cancer prevention and nutrition research then the breast cancer death rate will stay where it has for nearly 25 years. (National Cancer Institute research shows that as much as 50% of cancer risk may be related to diet.
We need to look at the other side of the coin and ask ourselves: is drinking green tea a prevention or is it because most people who drink green tea live in Asia and they have one of the lowest breast/prostate cancer rates in the world and interestingly they don't consume dairy. In fact, they call it "the rich woman's disease" because the only women in China who are treated for breast cancer live and eat a Western Lifestyle.
All you ladies are looking for your answers and that is awesome! I believe what we are eating is the big white elephant in the room and until we acknowledge that the USDA was created to subsidize farmers and has no business telling us what is a healthy diet with a food pyramid that is based on industry interests and outdated science, we will continue to become fatter and sicker as a nation.
Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food. - Hippocrates
Best health always to you all...
p.s. I've been blogging about the American diet for over a year now and if you'd like more information you can find it at www.supermom101.com
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SuperMom,
Totally with you on the subsidization and power of agribusiness and commodities market.... along with the subversive advertising that some of these industries put out there, complete with rock stars touting their product. The link I sent was a study using mice, not patients in Asia, and their tumors being treated with green tea. I am thinking that the ingredient EGCG that changes the potential outcome of cancer cells.....
That being said, I don't consume dairy anymore (still missing ice cream
) and trying to consume more iodine rich foods -- taking a kelp supplement until I can get to the point where I consume enough in my food sources. I agree that the Eastern lifestyle lends itself to better breast and prostate cancer outcomes.0 -
Deanna: Thank you for your reply! I am eating a very wholistic diet: Galitzer does have me do the organic cottage cheese with flax oil though I am considering switching to coconut yogurt with chia seeds as an alternate. I only eat organic, hormone free eggs, very, very little dairy (I usually use vegan substitutes). I juice often, if I eat meat it's chicken or turkey, also organic and hormone free. I doubt I have any fat left in my body at all--since my diagnosis I have lost 30 pounds, but still, it's difficult for them to get blood out of me. I figured my veins went into hiding after months of being poked on a weekly basis with a IV needle. I just worry about the blood and my health in general. Even though I am being very careful and consume lots of soy, green tea, and all foods Asian (I live in Korea Town), I am triple negative--not hormone dependant, so I just want to do all that I can.
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Terri-
I have read lots of conflicting info on the best sites for application. Jonathan Wright, MD - who is generally regarded as the bio-identical hormone expert - has said that the best is to apply progestrone on the labia. I have been rotating sites and now have changed to rotating between the labia and my breasts.
Beth
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Question: I take echinachea, garlic and Vit E instead of the aspirin to keep the blood thin. I was told by my dr. (Dr.Galizer from the Knockout book) that all cancer patients seem to have "thicker" blood which is probably why they promote aspirin as a preventativve. Anyone here doing anything else instead of aspirin?
In Traditional Chinese Medicine, it's believed that thick blood can cause cancer (in Western medicine, it's thought to be the other way around). So, yep, I consume foods daily to thin the blood and improve circulation (cayenne, cinnamon, ginger, a clove of raw garlic each day, etc.).
While aspirin may thin your blood, it's addressing the symptom and not the cause, which the nutrients should improve. Deanna
Amen!!!
is drinking green tea a prevention or is it because most people who drink green tea live in Asia and they have one of the lowest breast/prostate cancer rates in the world and interestingly they don't consume dairy.
Sorry, but yes, as many others have posted, there is indeed solid scientific evidence that green tea does help prevent cancer. I know you like to tie your no-dairy pet theory in to everything, which is fine, but remember, you can't get into a correlation/causation speculation game like that... if you're going to use an entire population to come up with a sweeping theory, the lower cancer rates in Asia could be attributed to any number of things... higher seaweed intake (and therefore higher iodine), much lower sugar intake (hopefully you've eliminated all sugar and refined carbs from your diet, right?), or the fact that they consume fermented soy only instead of the "junk" soy (e.g. soy milk fortified with synthetic vitamin D) consumed rampantly by so many unsuspecting Americans.
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Just curious, what effect would progesterone have when applied on the labia? Will it help plump up the area like estrogen or is it just a better spot for absorption?
Also, I'm looking for recommendations on what to do about my awful insomnia. For several months now, I'm waking up every night around 3 or 4 a.m. and not able to get back to sleep. About a half hour before it's time to get up for work is when I start to feel sleepy again. I used to use melatonin and valerian, but I found that they might help me get to sleep, but don't prevent the middle of the night awakening. Ambien does work, and it's something I've used very sparingly because I really hate the thought of becoming dependant on it. My Onc recommended that I do a trial of just taking it every night so that my body will get used to sleeping through the night. That idea didn't sit too well with me, but I agreed to try it out of desperation and after about 3 nights in a row, I started having stomach cramps and started waking up at 4 am anyway, so I stopped taking it. I then went through several nights of inability to fall asleep at all, which really stressed me out. Now I'm back to falling asleep easily enough, but still waking up way too early, then feeling tired at work.
I've tried all the herbal teas and eating foods that are sleep inducing right before bedtime, without success. I was advised by one of the midwives I work with to try acupuncture. Anybody have a good experience with this for insomnia? And I'm also seriously considering stopping my tamoxifen either temporarily or permanently once I hit the 2 year mark next month to see if maybe that would improve my sleep difficulties.
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Hi MariannaHB,
Great to hear you have entered the no dairy world! The box of tea is at the office so I'll get you the actual name tomorrow.
It's available at the Chinese grocery store. It's a square green box and it's nicknamed gunpowder because it looks like (in its dry form) the gun powder that was used a long time ago. It is loose leaves so you'll know when it's ready when it falls to the bottom of your mug. I just keep refilling with hot water as the day goes on. That's what my Chinese friend showed me. She thinks the leaves pull all the impurities out of the water and the bags that Americans use are only for the not so great tea leaves that no one else would use. No need to add sugar or anything else.Try adding semi sweet chocolate chips (there's no dairy in them) with raisins and unsalted almonds to vanilla soy ice cream...it's awesome! Since giving up ice cream I only crave the soy stuff maybe once every few weeks. Let me know what you think.
Best health always,
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Yes, you are correct that "I like to tie [my] no-dairy pet theory in to everything," and I will continue to do so until scientific research can prove that a no-dairy diet will harm me.
The Chinese friend I mention in the post above is a molecular biologist who happened to conduct extensive nutrition research when she was going for her PhD here in the U.S over 15 years ago. During her first few years living the Western Lifestyle she experienced horrific female problems and her mother (still in China) told her to stop eating our food. She became a vegan (I had never even meet one before her) and she has not experienced any problems since. So if we follow my logic...I doubt she'll ever experience breast cancer...is it because of the green tea or that she doesn't consume dairy...or...both!
Most MDs and RNs I've spoken to about the dairy correlation/causation argument have been very frank with their questions and comments:
MD: Epidemiology studies would show that those countries with the highest dairy consumption would have the highest rates. SuperMom101: they do have the highest rates
Cardiologist response: Makes sense. When a patient has a heart attack we tell them to change their diet.
RN: Another mammal's milk is meant to take that calf to a cow in less than a year. That's a whole lotta cell division going on.
Oncologist: Can't do you any harm.
A different Nutritionist/Researcher: This is why I went in to nutrition research. I can't believe that a Stage IV patient after only 4 months of treatment is told "it's a miracle". (This patient was put on a no soy, no dairy diet in conjunction with her treatment and the researcher came to me for recipes.)
I try hard not to preach and truly hope I'm not coming off that way. I'm finding more and more readers are contacting me privately (which I love) asking me for recipes etc. In fact, I'm starting a no-dairy cooking show on a local cable station so I can show first hand that the food is delicious, nutritious, won't break the bank and we don't need a science degree to know that a non GMO apple a day is better for us than a poptart.
Trying very hard not to sound too preachy,
SuperMom101
p.s. Teenagers can smell a hyopcrite a mile away and I hope ours would call me on it.
Best health always...
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Crunchypoodlemama: love that name btw! I do all sorts of natural blood thinners, too. Interesting thinking that thick blood can cause cancer. Nutritional stuff is the only thing that makes sense to me! Thank you for your input!
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Suppermom101 wrote: So...the misinformation will have women purchase more leafy green vegetables, turmeric, green tea, olive oil...
So you think we are misinformed about leafy green vegetables, turmeric, green tea, olive oil...etc?
Suppermom, you do realize that many of us Natural Girls take turmeric, green tea, cruciferous vegetables...etc...NOT because we watched Dr Oz...but because we are well learned researched women. Having our research confirmed on his show is a bonus. And no we are not all running out to buy dairy and green tea with ibuprofen. I find your posts terribly patronising.
Then after promptly dropping your condescending opinions ...you excuse yourself by tidying things up with your cute little mouse problem.
Suppermom wrote: Even the lovely oncologist on Dr. Oz's video said estrogen feeds and fuels cancer and then she tells us to eat dairy to get vitamin D. If you sit in sunshine for 15 minutes you'll get vitamin D but there's no one promoting sunshine.
You know very well that although she mentioned some dairy she ‘DID' mention obtaining vitamin D through sunshine and at least 2000 iu from supplements and other dietary sources like cod-liver oil, salmon, sardines. And it's also mentioned on the Dr Oz list I posted.
And as for your so called misinformation...I would say, that likely came from you.
Suppermon wrote: The reason women who drink 3 cups of tea can cut their breast cancer risk in half is because they are Asian.
You're kidding right? My Asian business associate, who moved to Australia 3 years ago, consumed green tea all her life, and had a double mastectomy after developing stage IV breast cancer, last year. We actually went through radiotherapy together...small world hey. Although I do believe drinking green tea has health benefits...I do not believe you have to be Asian to have your risks halved.
We are all passionate about our protocols...but we do not shove it down people's throat on a weekly basis.
Suppermom101 you are a stickler for your non-dairy protocol...because you wholeheartedly believe in your health regime - and I have no doubt that many readers are contacting you privately for information (as you say) because a lot of what you say makes sense. But you have to respect that we are all tackling this disease with what we also believe in. What may work for one person may not work for the next. We should all respect each other's efforts in our quests to wellness.
Now...what my original point was that 5-10 years ago you would never have switched on the TV and heard of turmeric, Vitamin D, iodine, broccoli...as tools for cancer prevention. Not to mention ads on TV now for Q10, fish oil, probiotics......I mean this is a big step forward in the right direction. After all, we have evolved with nature.
Have a good day ladies...x
Victoria
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I believe the Cure for Breast Cancer is prevention and until we put 50% of our research dollars in to cancer prevention and nutrition research then the breast cancer death rate will stay where it has for nearly 25 years. (National Cancer Institute research shows that as much as 50% of cancer risk may be related to diet.
Amen supermom! Thanks for the link to your blog. I took just a quick look around and it looks really great. I don't think I've ever seen that stat for chinese women having just 1 in 100,000 getting bc. Wow. Where did you find that? I finally got a copy of Jane Plant's book, but I haven't read it yet. I've gone round and round on soy, and just when I'd finally decided -- again -- that I would avoid soy, Jane Plant burst my bubble again with recipes calling for soy. sigh.
As for aspirin, I don't even have aspirin in the house anymore. I have so many better ways of handling headaches and bodyaches that I don't ever feel the need for it anymore. I didn't think about blood getting thick, but I use garlic, ginger, cayenne and cinnamon regularly, so hopefully my blood has nothing but smooth sailing from head to toe.
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Crunchy, I must again try to correct this misconception that Asians only consume fermented soy. Wrong, wrong, wrong! I live in Singapore, a very cosmopolitan country in Southeast Asia, so I know what I'm talking about. We eat soy foods in all forms, including lots of fresh, unfermented soy curd (eg. tofu as well as soy pudding for dessert) and we drink unfermented soy milk. Asian soy milk is nothing like the type found in Western countries, which is adulterated to mimic cow's milk.
In all Asian countries which have adopted a Westernised diet and lifestyle, cancer rates have risen dramatically. Traditionally, Asians rarely ate meat and life was hard, so there was plenty of daily physical activity eg. manual work, walking everywhere. Regular exercise was a part of life. Now modern Asians eat chemical-tainted meat and other foods - including convenience / refined / processed foods - in every meal, and we drive or are driven everywhere. We hardly even take the stairs, as we have elevators, escalators and travellators everywhere. Our air and environment is contaminated with chemicals.
Soy is not the threat (Oriental Asians have been consuming this for centuries). The modern, Western diet and lifestyle is.
Interestingly, Indians have a very low incidence of cancer. I notice that the large cancer center which I visit rarely has Indian patients. Indians, on the whole, still prefer their traditional diet, which is characterised by lentils, beans, vegetables, lots of spices and -gasp! - lots of dairy products. They love milk, cheese, yoghurt, ghee (clarified butter) etc. in their savory dishes as well as their desserts, and their desserts use plenty of sugar. Non-vegetarian Indians like to eat unhhealthy meats like mutton. Unlike Oriental Asians, their diet does not include any soy foods or seaweed.
While Indians here may have low cancer rates, they tend to suffer from diabetes and cardiovascular problems. Like many othe modern Asians, they have also become sedentary and more Westernised in their lifestyle. Nevertheless, there are elements in the traditional Indian diet which protect against cancer. I suspect it is the heavy consumption of legumes, lentils, beans, vegetables (including tomatoes, onions and cruciferous veg like cauliflower), spices, and fermented dairy like yoghurt.
Food for thought, yah?
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Only 1 in 100,000 Chinese women get BC? Are they all rural folk living high up in the mountains of China, protected from the evils of modern civilisation like the Western diet and lifestyle? Do they never come into contact with any kind of chemicals or artificial hormones?
Singapore, where I live, is at least 70% Chinese. It's NOT in China, by the way, but in Southeast Asia. It's very modern and Westernised. The latest statistics show that 1 out of every 3 persons resident here will get cancer. The population numbers more than 5 million..Some 1,500 women are diagnosed with breast cancer annually. Do the math.
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Dear asschercut,
It's unfortunate that you took my post personally...not my intention and yes I like to keep things light. I've never seen his show (just the link to the video) and it is frustrating to me because individuals like my mom that had breast cancer 4 times will tell me she saw on TV (or read an article or saw on the news) that she should eat dairy, take tumeric, aspirins, ibuporen and it all gets muddled in to one. (She doesn't have the BRCA gene and neither does my sister who was diagnosed with Stage 0 last year.)
As to the studies and how I got my math, I'll post under separate cover. The show didn't mention specific studies so I just threw out my numbers too to also make a point.
This dialogue is terrific. I'm ten years out and yes we are making a HUGE impact as to the correlation between diet and disease. But where can I share my honest belief on what I think is making a difference in my prevention if not here? When I was first diagnosed I visited these pages and never joined because there was no place to post until this one in 2008. (Last year I had a woman post that she was attacked on other blogs by what she found out are industry funded individuals that are paid to post. I doubt that would ever happen here.)
Since I rarely watch TV I have no idea about what is being advertised. I discovered probitoics over 10 years ago when our oldest was experiencing recurring sinus infections so severe that our pediatrician ordered a CAT scan. A holistic pharmasict asked if our son ate yogurt. (He doesn't.) He said he needs the good bacteria and suggested probiotics. I immediately thought of my college years andI bet most of us can remember yeast infections and being told (usually by a friend) to eat yogurt when taking the antibiotics because we also need the good bacteria. We didn't need a science degree, we trusted our friend's wisdom and personal experience.
So please accept that although we may agree to disagree it is never my intent to come off as condescending. I may get mad and frustrated and that's okay as long as it remains constructive. Personal attacks are useless, especially in the world of blogging.
Best health always,
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I was dx 9 years ago and did as much research into nutrition as I could, feeling that it gave me some control over the disease.(I submitted to the usual slash,poison, burn protocol also, believing that conventional medicine also ha its place).
On of the first books I read was Jane Plant's 'Your Life in Your Hands' .Her no-dairy made sense to me when I considered the fact that milk from any animal is designed to make the young grow fast into an adult, and the fact that the IGF-1 factor (insulin-like growth factor) it contains has been shown to promiote cancer cells growth in vitro.However, she was very strident in her claims that if you 'cheated' and consumed even a small amount of dairy at any point after a bc dx, you were destined to get a recurrence.She was also a great promoter of soy as an alternative.At that time, her ideas were not readily taken up, even here in UK where she resides, and the idea of soy after a ER+ bc dx was seen as positively dangerous.
So I find it strange that her ideas are now gaining credence in the US and especially that soy is now regarded by some as a healthy alternative, given that there was, for many years, definite fear of consuming it as it is a 'phytoestrogen'.I found that very strange at the time, since many.many foods are phyto or plant estrogens and there was no outcry over consumimg them.
I think what I am saying is that there appear to be 'fashions' about the dairy and the soy question.There are too many other variables to consider when touting one or the other in order to make any sense of their prospective benefit or otherwise.
I,for one,cannot stand the taste of cow's milk any longer - I substitute it with rice milk.However, I did have an incredible yearning for cheese after 6 years of no-dairy and gave in for a while.I have since stopped as I was gaining weight consuming the very high-fat (but delicious) mature Cheddar.Sigh.
Sam
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As far as progestrone "plumping up" the labia - so far I haven't noticed a difference. AS I understand it is suppposed to help absorption - I will have to wait until I re-do test for hormone levels to know if it works for me.
I was just reading in Keeping ABreast - that he always puts his patients on both regular and time-released melatonin, as this better simulates how our body produces it. So maybe taking both forms would help.
In Traditional Chinese Medicine - there are organ associations with each 2 hour block of the day- 3:00am - 5:00am is associated with the Lungs. Lungs are associated with the emotions of sadness and grief. Is it possible that something is going on there that could explain the wakening??
Wishing you restful sleep!!
Beth
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chillipadi, that is interesting about unfermented soy in Singapore and yet you say Singapore still has low breast cancer incidence - I wonder if they are using genetically-modified soy like is rampant in the U.S., or a more natural, native form of soy.
Interestingly, Indians have a very low incidence of cancer. I notice that the large cancer center which I visit rarely has Indian patients. Indians, on the whole, still prefer their traditional diet, which is characterised by lentils, beans, vegetables, lots of spices and -gasp! - lots of dairy products. They love milk, cheese, yoghurt, ghee (clarified butter) etc. in their savory dishes as well as their desserts, and their desserts use plenty of sugar.
That doesn't surprise me! But, I would bet that all that dairy they consume is from grass-fed cows who are pregnant on their own natural timetables, not artificially kept pregnant year-round. Same with most cultures around the world for centuries until modern times... dairy (especially cultured dairy products like yogurt - always unpasteurized, always from grass-fed cows) has been consumed since Biblical times, yet cancer was an extremely rare disease until the last 100 years.
However, she was very strident in her claims that if you 'cheated' and consumed even a small amount of dairy at any point after a bc dx, you were destined to get a recurrence.
Okay, IMO, an extreme statement like that harms her credibility. I agree that humans generally shouldn't be drinking straight milk (and definitely not pasteurized milk or any milk from non-grass-fed cows or milk from artifically-pregnant cows), but there are powerful anti-cancer nutrients in certain dairy products like grass-fed butter. To throw the "baby out with the bathwater" is not just ridiculous, but can even be harmful if it leads someone to begin using fake butter or fake cheese etc. instead.
Anyway, SuperMom101, I have to agree with asschercut that your post on the last page came across as patronizing, but I appreciate your apology. I would just hate to see someone think, "Ah, the key to preventing a recurrence is no dairy, and I don't have to worry about anything else!" ... when in reality, tan anti-cancer lifestyle is based on so much more.
I never used to consume dairy... I was a raw vegan for several years, then started eating vegan junk food for a number of years (plus, unfortunately, Diet Coke, which I feel is largely responsible for my cancer)... it was only AFTER my diagnosis, and AFTER I started researching it, that I added dairy (raw, grass-fed, raw/cultured, from cows and goats that are never artificially pregnant - never "dairy industry" dairy, which is poison) back in to my diet. (Incidentally, my lactose-intolerant husband now consumes cultured dairy too, but since it's nonpasteurized, it gives him no problems and has helped clear up some gastrointestinal issues he was always plagued with. Unfortunately, he was given soy formula as an infant, which has caused other lifelong health issues for him, but even some of those problems are starting to clear up now that he consumes real dairy.)
All that is to say, no one is going to criticize you here for your no-dairy diet. I would urge you to extend the same courtesy - not to criticize those of us who have examined the research and have come to a different conclusion.
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Sam52 - I take care of my cheese craving with goat cheese. Not often but it satisfies.
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