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Deanna: Thanks for the sweet beet food facts--someof them I alread knew, some of them I did not!
Isn't Estriol the only Estrogen that doesn't cause cancer and can be used on the upper body and internally?
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Deanna, great article - I have to say I knew all of those except for the one about peas being high in protein (we don't eat peas because they have a harmful effect on male fertility)... but a year and a half ago, I bet I would only have known a few. Needless to say, I've learned so much through you all. Amazing how a cancer diagnosis can inspire you to go on an all-out crash course in REAL nutrition (as opposed to the idiotic stuff they teach in grade school)!
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Can anyone give me list of deod that does not have Aluminum in it. I just started rads and as you know cannot wear deod, but my rad tech told me if I got with without aluminum that I could wash it off before treatment. Just not sure what to look for.
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sherry- I've tried tons of the natural deoderants and most don't work well. The one that works for me is Toms of Maine 24 hour with Calendula (not the other Toms, there are lots). Good luck with rads.
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Sherry, if you have a TraderJoes nearby, their own brand is aluminum-free. Also, something called Crystal, which is sort of a smooth crystal-like material. Deanna
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Thanks I'll see what I can find. I live in a rural small town so nothing is close. We do not have Trader Joes here in Texas. We have Whole foods, Central Market and SunHarvest. They are all in the city alittle over an hour away. There is a small health food store just down the street from my RO office so I'll stop in there on Monday and see what they have.
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Deanna...thanks for the great article. I learned a lot.
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Vivre, Thanks so much for the words of wisdom! I've stopped taking Tamoxifen. My naturopath had told me that he knew of a naturopath oncologist who I could see. I'll take that path. I agree diet, exercise and lifestyle play a terribly important role. I sailed thru surgery and radiation I think because I was doing everything else so well.
For all the beauty concerns, I just got the book "No More Dirty Looks" by Siobhan O'Connor and Alexandra Spunt. Seems good so far. They discuss chemicals to look out for and alternative solutions including somethings you can do yourself...will try a tablespoon of baking soda in a cup of water to wash my hair - even if I only do that once a week, it'll save on the shampoo I buy.
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I just had steel cuts oats for breakfast. I think someone on here suggested it- yummy
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I agree Claire, the oats are great! I ground them first and stirred them into the pot while the water was boiling. Think someone else suggested that. It's kinda like cream of wheat's texture. Yummy! And, it dosen't take any time at all to cook.
I also bought some Ezekiel sprouted grain cereal when I'm lazy for cooking... put chocolate almond milk on it. That's great too!
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Is the Ezekielsprouted grain cereal found in the refrigerated section at the store? I use the Ezekiel bread, and find it quite good.
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Kira, no it's in the isle with all the other cereals. Mine has almonds in it also. I think there were three different kinds to choose from. I usually let the milk soak for a while because it's really crunchy.
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samsue, Thanks I will be looking for it when I go shopping.
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My naturopath suggested using organic green tea when I make hot cereal instead of water. Tastes the same and you get the added benefit of polyphenols and epigallocatechin-3-gallate, which help fight cancer.
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GreenLibrarian, That's a great idea. I'm not that fond of green tea, but in hot cereal it could work.
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hey everyone! I posted this on the menopause and your skin thread, but thought I would post it here too!
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/aug2008_Estriol-Its-Weakness-is-its-Strength_01.htm
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Deanna and Fairy: Thanks for the links. I learned alot from them. And Fairy good to hear from you again.
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I have steel cut oats every morning for breakfast. I boil them in water and then towards the end when the y start thickening up I add a bit of fresh squeezed orange . I top that off with some homemade granola and either pineapple or blueberries. I know, blueberries are on the dirty dozen list but I wash them really well...... yummy!
Fairy, thanks again for the link, really informative and helpful.
Terri
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Terri: It just occurred to me that you might be able to buy organic frozen blueberries. I always have a bag of them in my freezer which I get at Whole Foods. That way you could have "clean" blueberries with your oatmeal. :-)
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It is great to have Fairy back on these threads:)
I don't know how I would have made it through all this without her and you other knowledgeable and generous women on these discussion boards.
I was away a lot lately too and am very far behind on many of the threads but will try to catch up. I still have a bunch of trips and holiday family stuff and all...but will do my best to catch up.
Thanks Everyone!
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Hi to all,
I don't post much but I read this forum frequently. I have decided to not take the AIs ordered by my oncologist. My tumor was highly ER/PR positive-98% for each. I'm interested in lowering estrogen naturally but don't know how to do it. First I want my estrogen levels tested. My oncologist won't do it and my GYN won't either. My family physician will, but she doesn't know what tests to take. So please help me with this. What tests do I want/need?
Also, I'm new to the area, SE Florida, and haven't been able to find a doctor or ? to treat my BC naturally. Someone who understands estrogen/BC and also other supplements that I would benefit from. I have drastically changed my diet from sugar and processed foods, ugh to a more cancer friendly diet. No sugar or processed foods, no dairy, no meat, etc. Mainly LOTS of juicing and salads. I'm having trouble lately sticking to this, though. Can anyone recommend some good diets and cookbooks?
Thanks so much. I will become a regular here. I need the support. You are all wonderful!
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llaurin
Genova Diganostics does a woman's hormone panel, as does LabCorp, and Life Extension Foundation has a test that you can purchase for testing hormones also. Florida has doctors who prescribe Bio-identical hormones, and all you have to do is search on Google for them. My friend, (dx with TNBC 4 years ago), lives in Miami and she is on the bios. So is my daughter who was dx with TNBC in June of 2007. The bios lower the hormones naturally. Zava labs does saliva testing.
There is some controversary as to which testing is the most accurate...blood, urine or saliva. Here is a link to Dr. Zava, who developed the saliva testing method.
http://david-zava.blogspot.com/2010/10/hormone-therapy-and-breast-cancer.html
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Fairy - soooooo lovely to see you again
.When it comes to hormone testing, don't they fluctuate so much that prescribing bios is very hard. Dr. Uzzi suggests going by symptoms. What say you?
Love to all, Patty
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Fairy-We missed you! Glad to see you pop in.
Same to you Rosemary,dear friend. I hope to hear more from you too.
Hey all, I am adding live chat to my site and the Doc I met who wrote the hormone book I mentioned "Hormone's Explained" is willing to come in and chat with us. She is Northwestern and Harvard, no lightweight, and born in England just like our Fairy. As soon as we get it set up, I will send all the members a notice so you can take part. Maybe we can get some of these questions cleared up. I know she feels that blood tests are the most reliable, I already asked her. She also said that she would never recommend any BHRT bought online because they lose potency and she has noticed a lack of consistancy in some of the brands. She also said that hormones need to be tested regularly because it is easy to overdo it. The balance is essential. I really recommend people read her book. She had great editors help her bring the jargon down to our level, and she really does a great job of explaining it.
She also told me I was wise to make my own decisions about the "breast cancer drugs". She cannot legally come out and condemn them, but after she caught my drift on them, she agreed I had made the right decision. She also told me she will probably use BHRT for life because she feels so great on it and she feels it is the fountain of youth. She looks beautiful, flawless skin. What I love is her caution on the whole thing and this from the back jacket of the book:
"Dr. Selma Rashid. MD is a leading figure in hormone replacement therapy and anti-aging medicine. She is board certified in internal medicine,yet refuses to practice medicine through standard medical protocols, which are not in the best interest of her patients. She passionately seeks answers to preventing the diseases and dysfunctions of aging.
Her careeer in medicine was inspired by the complexity of the endocrine system. Very soon she was disheartened to learn that endocrinology operates like almost every other field of medicine, in a tight box of protocols, trying to treat diseases with medications and procedures, directed by the pharmaceutical and medical device companies.
The essence of her thought process is that the medical system should do everything possible to ensure that the diseases of aging are prevented; and every person enjoys their life to the fullest potential, while being physically and mentally functional."
See why I love this woman! Also, she will doing another seminar with me in the Chicago area soon.
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vivre - Wow girl, live chat, you go girl. I will try to join in!!! Does Dr. Rashid work with patients on-line?
Love, Patty
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Look into Red Clover herbs - either tincture or tea to lower hormones naturally. British doctors are taking it seriously enough to start doing trials with it. It's a natural phyto oestrogen I think.
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Morning lovelies!
I have had both blood and saliva hormone tests done, one said blood is best, the next said saliva, its a docs personal preference, I had wildly different results with each, so who knows! Thing with saliva, the test can get contaminated very easily (mine got contaminated, something to do with my pillowcase?? transference or some such thing!, so I personally prefer blood. I think its super important to test every 6 months, more if you can afford it, I can't, so twice a year is what I do, I also do the urine test for the 2:16 ratio, which you can order online, I think that may be even more important to show how you are actually metabolizing estrogen.
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llaurin,
Good for you not taking the AIs! The more I read, the less I like these drugs. I just read concerning tamoxifen "It is widely believed that today's drugs are tomorrow's poisons. In the case of tamoxifen, tomorrow has already arrived"
A great book that explains various ways to lower estrogen is The Anti-Estrogenic Diet by Ori Hofmekler. Besides diet, we need to be careful about any product we put on our body. Also what you cook with is important - I bought all stainless steel pots (U.S. made) and have cast iron. No plastic utensils, food is stored in glass. I never drink liquid that was housed in plastic or styrofoam. I avoid canned goods as many have BPA. Eden's doesn't and I believe Muir Glen now offers canned tomatoes BPA free. Did you know a lot of receipt printer paper has BPA on it - receipts from the grocery store, gas station, ATM machine? I don't take them anymore.
For cookbooks, I like Fresh from the Vegetarian Slow Cooker by Robin Robertson and How to Cook Everything Vegetarian by Mark Bittman. Though they include some recipes with foods I don't eat - like potatoes, tofu, soy, etc - they have tons that I do eat. I find that processed foods are very unappealing to me now.
I'll be interested to hear more about testing estrogen levels too. I heard that they fluctuate from one day to the next.
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fairy-
So good to see you again..about time those brides(mother-of-the brides) cut you some slack.
As far as testing - I have had the 24 Hr Urine tests done that show not only 2:16OH ratio, but also additional metabolites - like 4OH and the "good" methyl metabolites, as well as the estriol quotient. I am inclined to believe that the kinds of estrogen you have are even more important than the overall estrogen levels. I do think that saliva tests are the best for progestrone levels - or at least those results seem to match up best with my symptoms.
Beth
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This is just a little reminder that some of the simplest things will help to keep us all healthier...Happy and Peaceful Holidays to you all!
http://www.npr.org/2010/12/06/131734718/just-breathe-body-has-a-built-in-stress-reliever?ps=cprs
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