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I tried to read a Hulda Clark book once but she was a biochemist and used a lot of terms and formulas that I couldn't follow. If her methods work, then the parasite theory is a moot point. After all, pain killing tablets still work regardless of whether we understand what exactly caused the pain or how the painkillers work. All the same I find her parasite theory unlikely.
I like to look for similarities in cancer treatments that have had some success. Intestinal cleanses, fasts, juicing, low energy diets, these seem to be common to many versions of treatments though it's hard to know how successful each treatment was without proper studies.
Edited to clarify. I may not understand biochemistry but at least I know diabetes is not curable. Most people with little education can figure that out. And I know how to spell fungus and use the spellchecker.
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I missed that. Cipro taken off the market? When? Couldn't find it in a google search. Granted, it has black box warnings like many drugs, but I hadn't heard about being pulled.
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I hope that the poster is right and cipro is being taken off the market. It caused me two years of disability while my shoulder was healing! It's on my list of drugs never to take.
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Kaara,
Again, do your due diligence yourself, not on what you hear from posters on the Internet. Do some research and you'll see, unlike the wishful thinking that has now magically been turned into true fact by a poster, that a new warning has been added to Cipro.
No, Cipro has not been taken off the market.
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My computer or this site is spinning a lot - not sure why.
So going back through the threads is painstakingly slow right now.
Anyway, in case I didn't share this before, I wanted to share this here:
My 24 hour urine test came back and:
My estrogens are just fine on the DIM-chrysin cream. That was confirmed. Yea! There is no need at all for the pharmaceutical AIs! The natural way along with exercise and diet is working on that front!
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truebff: That's great. What is considered good in terms of our estrogen levels as it relates to bc? I want to have mine tested.
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Well, I knew that grapefruit and Tamox were not compatible but take a look at this:
This prospective study, reported in the British Journal of Cancer, July 10, 2007, was based on data collected for the Multiethnic Cohort Study that involved 50,000 postmenopausal women spanning five ethnic groups. It found that grapefruit intake was significantly associated with an increased risk of breast cancer. The increased risk was comparable to the increased risk seen in women taking hormone substitution drugs as part of traditional HRT.
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Onvacation, sorry I missed your post ... glad to hear that Dr. Junger's recommendations worked for you
Truebff, congrats on the good estrogen results !After 2 years on Tamox, I have finally made up my mind to call it quits. So, I started googling looking for natural aromatase inhibitors and was astonished at what I found, AMAZING !!!!Phase I clinical trials have begun on the botanical dietary supplement IH636 grape seed extract for the prevention of breast cancer in postmenopausal women who are at increased risk of developing breast cancer. The IH636 extract has a high concentration of proanthocyanidins and has been shown to inhibit aromatase using in vitro and in vivo models [85, 86].
The most active natural product extracts from testing in the microsomal aromatase inhibition assay, reported as % inhibition, comprise the ethyl acetate partition of Dioon spinulosum Dyer ex Eichl. [104], the ethyl acetate partition of Encephalartos ferox Bertol. f. [104], a 75% methanol reflux extract of Riedelia Meisn. sp. [105], a 75% methanol reflux extract of Viscum album L. [105], the methanol partition of Cycas rumphii Miq. [104], the methanol and ethyl acetate partitions of Cycas revoluta Thunb. [104], a 75% methanol reflux extract of Alpinia purpurata K. Schum. [105], and a 75% methanol reflux extract of Coccothrinax Sarg. sp. [105]. The natural product extracts that were most active in the microsomal aromatase inhibition assay reported as PCA included five red wine varieties (Vitis L. sp.) from various wineries, with the most active being Cabernet Sauvignon from Tanglewood (France) [86, 106, 107]. The hexane partition of the leaves of Brassaiopsis glomerulata (Blume) Regel (Araliaceae) was found to be active in microsomes [108]. The methanol and chloroform extracts of Garcinia mangostana L. (Clusiaceae) (mangosteen) were also strongly inhibitory against aromatase in microsomes [109].
Euonymus alatus (Thunb.) Sielbold ("gui-jun woo" in Korean folk medicine), a dichloromethane partition of Isodon excisus Kudo var. coreanus [110], a water reflux extract of Scutellaria barbata D. Don [111], and a polyphenol-enhanced extract of green tea (Camellia sinensis Kuntze) [112]. Another study reported results in units/100 g wet weight (one unit was defined as the dose required for 50% inhibition) and found tea (C. sinensis), coffee (Coffea L. sp.), cocoa (Theobroma cacao L.), collards (Brassica oleracea L.), and tomato leaves (Lycopersicon esculentum Mill.) to strongly inhibit aromatase using a microsomal assay [113]. Interestingly, this study also reported that cigarette smoke (obtained using methylene chloride and aqueous traps) and tobacco leaves (70% ethanol extract; Nicotiana tabacum L.) also potently inhibited aromatase, as reported in cigarette equivalents [113].
xanthohumol-rich stout beer in choriocarcinoma-derived JAR cells [114], a water extract of grape seed extract (Vitis L. sp.) in MCF-7aro cells [85], a water reflux extract of white button mushrooms [Agaricus bisporus (J. Lange) Imbach] in MCF-7aro cells [115], red clover flowers (Trifolium pratense L.) in a MCF-7 cell dual assay for aromatase inhibition and estrogenicity [116], mangosteen (Garcinia mangostana L.) in SK-BR-3 cells [109], and Brassaiopsis glomerulata (Blume) Regel in SK-BR-3 cells [108]. The red clover flowers were found to inhibit aromatase at low concentrations and were also estrogenic at high concentrations.
Pinot noir from Hacienda (Sonoma, CA)
Apigenin (5,7,4'-trihydroxyflavone, 8) and quercetin (3,5,7,3',4'-pentahydroxyflavone, 37) have been tested numerous times for aromatase inhibition. Apigenin (8) was found to be strongly active in microsomes
7-Hydroxyflavone (26) has been tested several times and has shown strong aromatase inhibition
Hesperetin (5,7,3'-trihydroxy-4'-methoxyflavanone, 53) [121, 133] and eriodictyol (5,7,3',4'-tetrahydroxyflavanone,50) [133] were each tested twice in microsomal aromatase assays and found to be strongly active. 8-Prenylnaringenin (62, isolated from Humulus lupulus L.) was one of the most active natural product compounds tested for aromatase inhibition
an epidemiological study inferring aromatase inhibition through changes in estradiol levels demonstrated that estradiol levels were lower for people with higher EGCG (99) intake [147].Furthermore, EGCG (99) has been tested using an in vivo Swiss-Webster mouse model measuring ovarian aromatase activity and was found to inhibit aromatase activity by 56% at 25 and 12.5 mg/kg [148]. Theaflavin (101) and theaflavin-3,3'-gallate (102), both isolated from Camellia sinensis Kuntze (black tea), were found to strongly inhibit aromatase in microsomes
Nearly 300 natural product compounds have been evaluated for their ability to inhibit aromatase, in noncellular, cell-based, and in vivo aromatase inhibition assays. Flavonoids have been tested most frequently and generally found to be the most active class of natural product AI compounds.Some of the more active flavonoids included apigenin (8), chrysin (11), 7-hydroxyflavone (26), isolicoflavonol (27), (2S)-abyssinone II (45), (2S)-2',4'-dihydroxy-2"-(1-hydroxy-1-methylethyl)dihydrofuro[2,3-h]flavanone (49), eriodictyol (50), 8-prenylnaringenin (62), 3'-[γ-hydroxymethyl-(E)-γ-methylallyl]-2,4,2',4'-tetrahydroxychalcone 11'-O-coumarate (75), isoliquiritigenin (77), and rotenone (132). Other very active AI compounds included the xanthone, γ-mangostin (239), the sesquiterpene lactone, 11βH,13-dihydro-10-epi-8-deoxycumambrin (211), and the anthraquinone, benzanthraquinone I (249).
AIs from edible plant materials may eventually be appropriate for primary prevention of breast cancer in postmenopausal women (e.g., lower toxicity due to history of human consumption). Botanical dietary supplements or foods that are ingested regularly and act as AIs may have a role in breast cancer chemoprevention or chemotherapy for postmenopausal women.AWESOME !0 -
Had this on my Facebook page yesterday and thought it was too good not to share.
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Kaara, I can't really interpret or read the test so my Chinese medicine practitioner (who ordered it) did the interpretation for me. I actually recently started a thread about the 24 hour urine test to share information so I -and others- could understand it better. Maybe someone else can answer your question better than me. I'd be interested in what they said as well!
Maud, Thanks for the information! I find I am always learning more.
There is so much information out there. Rather than looking at each piece as an add on, for my own process, I start with reading regularly and getting informed and also working with natural med professionals as well.
I know some women who take everything, but that would be overwhelming for me. Right now, I am taking more things as I rebuild myself after radiation, but hope to keep things as minimal as possible for the long term. I want effective, doable, affordable.
And, to add to that, I so totally agree with you, Madpeacock, about sensible healthy diet and life too!
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Thanks for confirming the Cipro issue for me, digger. I talked with a pharmacist yesterday, and there are no plans that she knew of to pull Cipro.
Lots of drugs have class action suits and don't get pulled. But they do have blak-box warnings that prescribers should heed, when weighing risks versus benefits of meds.
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On a regular visit to Chapters' yesterday, I saw this new release (will wait for the paperback version).
"Dying to be me" sounds so much like me !!
One of the reviewers said this:
"It is of huge value to anyone interested in the areas of near death experiences, death, dying and bereavement, cancer, spontaneous remission, the mind-body relationship, mind-body and energy medicine, reincarnation, or to anyone who simply wishes to examine how the universe and life works in general. It even makes a compelling case for the skeptics of spiritual phenomena, as her spontaneous remission so close to death is one of a kind and medically documented and verified. In addition to Anita's wonderful message, I would hope that her views on cancer provide food for thought for oncologists around the world, and change the way the world and in particular the medical profession thinks about, views and treats cancer".
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That looks very interesting Maud! Thanks for pointing me towards it...(wandering over to Amazon...)
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Maud, Thanks for sharing! I haven't read the book yet, but I read the excerpt on her website and was very moved.
I would be very interested in learning more about your own experience like hers, if you want to of course.
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I read the excerpt as well...think it was before I was dx, and forgot about it until just now when I saw it on this thread. I will get the book and read it. The excerpt was very interesting.
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Madpeacock, you're very welcome little sister.
Truebff, I've not had an experience like that lady, not so far anyways, but if I did, I would not mind at all telling you all about it. In fact, I would shout it at the top of my lungs Lol
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Vivre, we've not seen you in a while...here's something bound to make you grin
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Hadley, that sounds very nice. I think I would get a lot out of a cancer patient retreat.
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yea.......me too. Is there a state by state list?
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This is my first post on this thread. My diagnosis is compelling me to re-think much, including my diet. Since my first surgery in April, I have decreased my soda consumption by more than half (!) and continue to drink less. Making iced tea and drinking that and water, which I know I need when I start my chemo. So, going to start easing my way into a more green lifestyle. Just wanted to say hi and now I will make this one of my faves so I can find you all easier.
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Hi vickilind61. I'm glad you found us. It sounds like you are heading in the right direction. I stopped drinking sodas a while ago, simply because of the high fructose corn syrup which plays havoc with our bodies. Then, after my dx, I completely changed my diet. I drink at least a pot of organic green tea each day. I take a lot of supplements (prescribed by a Naturopathic Doctor). I barely eat any meat, which used to comprise most of my diet. I eat some organic chicken, but only organic. Regular chicken is loaded with xenoestrogen, and ER+ ladies need to avoid that. I eat some fish. I have eaten food from a can maybe once or twice since my dx. Linings of cans have BPA, another xenoestrogen. I don't eat grains. The only bread I eat is called Ezekiel bread, and even that I only eat a slice at a time, with some almond butter or sunflower seed spread on it. I don't eat dairy except for the milk that is in an occasional cappuccino. I eat vegetables and fruits -- and lots of them. I don't use sugar, except for whatever is in my sunflower seed spread. I use Stevia if I want to sweeten some blueberries.
It's a drastic change for me, but I stay full, and I have lost 20 pounds since changing my diet. I'd like to see another 30 pounds go bye bye, but my focus is not on calories. It is on not feeding the cancer and on building a healthy system to fight any cancer that may return.
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WOW Dunesleeper, that is really drastic. I am an avowed meatlover, so my first move is going towards free=range meats. I am about to make WF a very wealthy company. Well, there are other natural grocery stores in town, plus I am talking to my siblings about going in together and purchasing beef from a local, natural cow farm (it sounds funny anyway) and I will be purchasing organic, free-range chicken. I also love grains, but have been moving, even before this, toward organic. I LOVE oatmeal and have it four or five days a week. Baby steps right now. I am lucky in that my hubby and I are empty-nesting, so financially we can swing the extra expense with no extra mouths to feed. Gotta find a bright side, right?
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Vicki: Welcome to the thread....lots of good information here! Diet and lifestyle changes should be the first line of defense against cancer prevention and recurrence. I follow pretty much the same diet as dunesleeper and have lost weight as well...but didn't really think I needed to...ha!
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Whole foods = Whole Paycheck! Love the place though, I believe diet and exercise is key in my recovery and preventing a reoccurance! I know a lot of women on the other threads don't feel the same way, so nice to find some like minded ladies!
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Thank you all for making me feel so welcome. I am working on exercise, but I still have NO endurance yet. I am trying to walk everyday, even if it's just around the store or whatever. This week, I am going to start using my indoor walking DVD's and try to do one mile.
I am about 40lbs from my goal weight, but that is better than before; I lost almost 50 lbs 2 years ago with Weight Watchers and have kept it off, so I know I can do it.
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Im also on WW with 10lbs to go........but with the stress of dx......I havent been tracking.....but still losing. I cant wait to get to my goal!
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Dunesie --- My food plan was somewhat like yours. A drastic change for me, mostly macrobiotic. Then I had assessment from an old time healer the same time as I went to the Chinese medicine person. I just went back on Wed for results. The analysis was based on answers to a muultitude of questions that I had answered and a cutting of my hair for kinesiology. She said my immune system was at <4, should be 10.
This is my life for 26 more days.
Detox for the environmental pollution I have been through to shut down my immune system and a cancer killing STARVING food plan for 28 days. OMG - I think I will try to make it but this is drastic. So much liquid. DAILY - drinking something every 15 minutes..... 1 gal distilled water w lemon @ rate of 1/2 c every 1/2 hour.... 1 qt STRONG warm ginger tea which really helps the nausea and don't knnow what else it is doing...... 1 qt green tea she made for me that is a strong detoxifier...... chlorophyll 6 x day..... probiotics w ea meal.... fermented juice or salad dressing with ea meal.... 2 tablespoons soaked pumpkin seeds every hour.... 1/2 c Eden black beans that are cooked w seaweed for sucking up the excess estrogen..... slippery elm 3 x day.... homeopathics of bacterial chord ea hour, lymph chord..... environmental detox flower essences.... Protandim each day that I was already on and she tested me and it was a yes.... the testing showed to stay on the 2500 mg of Metformin too..... plus aromatic oils of helichrysum and pink grapefruit for healing etheric layer and my pain..... plus I tested for Nerve Control but I chose my Mood Elevator and flower essences instead.... and I have added flower esssences for healing and finding my way through this, there are a huge chorus of flowers in that bottle this time. : ) Rife machine on cancer CD 20 min for 3x a day. rebounder 4 x day for 3 min.....
Now add the foods I can have - organic vegetables, mushrooms, nuts, seeds, eggs. Am to add more pumpkin puree, tempeh, alfalfa sprouts, beets, turnips, tofu, garlic, onion, horseradish, parsley, Daikon radish, bok choy. When I eat any cruciferous veggies they must be fermented or lightly steamed, not cooked but can just pour boiling water over them, like the spinach, chard, etc. W the Chinese medicine person, it all fits to this except I was to never eat cold foods, only warm to help kidney. So that is why I said yes to this, it matched the other healers.
28 days. Progress not all right. She wants perfection so it will be over with. So do I.
Every time I stand up to go pee, which is every 10 min I swear, I do something else good for me. It's all about me right now. This gets a little boring really. But must be done.
Cannot have fruit, meat, seafood, fish, sugar of any kind at all not even my agave or stevia, caffeine, no grains or flours, no oil, no dairy, no salt, no pepper, no peppers at all, no vinegar, no cabbage, no potatoes, no tomatoes. Right there I am at a challenge, I love fruit and tomatoes. Now I have to learn to cook w/o oils, good for me though. And just joined a raw dairy herd and have a fridge of kefir and handcrafted yogurt, plus making mozerella and ricotta. But it will save for later.
Good to see you guys. Am moved in but still settling. Love it here so much. My sanctuary to heal and grow in spirit.
Edited to add - Vicki welcome.... I hope you focus more on healing and less on losing the last 20. Be strong first.
Also adding, the parasite that Clark wrote about in one of her first books, she is speaking of how people lose their immune system due to the prop glycol and the flukes which aare within us all will move to the vital organ. If the propylene glycool is oout of the person, oout of their home and surroundings, then the fluke will move back. There are ways to kill parasites too, pumpkins being one of them. I don't know if she believed this in the end, that it was the be all of cancer, but I do know she helped many people learn how to get the chemicals out of their lives and their NED was nil when their world was cleaned up. That was her later goal, the system, not so much the parasites. I think there are many answers, not only hers. We have to find our own answer to our own system defect LOL and I am still trying.
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Hi Diane! (waving) So glad to hear you are settling in to your new place. Your detox sounds like something I need to do.
Welcome Vicki! You have already taken giant steps towards a healthier lifestyle, so keep going! Try just tackling one new thing at a time: i.e., "This week I am going to cut back on the number of sodas to X (number). And maybe try one exercise challenge: "THis week I will walk a mile three times." So, one food challenge and one "you" challenge per week. Next week, add one more new thing, like, no artificial sweeteners or a stretching routine one day.
I'm off to the nursery to buy some herb plants and then come home and plant my tomatoes. I am trying lots of heirlooms this year - yum.
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I would like to join you all. I am on Weight Watchers too and would like to lose at least another 10 pounds. I've lost 20 since DX. I am focusing on a plant-based diet, no meat, organic tofu, fish, organic fruits and veggies where warranted, no soy protein isolate or other soy additives, grains, little or no dairy, minimal sugar and treats. Green tea, cruciferous vegetables, walnuts on days that I don't eat fish. I'm surely missing something. I am also working on the supplements I'll be taking. For now, I am on calcium, Vitamin D, Biotin, baby aspirin and Zyflamend. I am on a small dose of Metformin, not through the trial.
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wow - i admire you women who can jump in to these major detox and diet changes!! I am doing one thing at a time, eliminating dairy, and sugars slowly until I meet with Naturopath next week. Its hard.....and daunting! And taking supplements and vitamins has ALWAYS been difficult for me. So is taking any kind of meds! But change needs to happen......have to remember its one day at a time.....then it seems doable.....
Its funny how food and drink are such sociable actions.....and how it can leave us feeling out of the norm bc we cant share a coffee or beer or dinner with friends.......makes it hard.
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