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Love to all my bc sisters! xo
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I hope you all were with family this Thanksgiving!
Frank............. ouch. I am sorry...... such agony.
mmm5............ good to see you. I hope you are ok and healing and living ! xoxo
ladies.. have a blessed week!
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Today was the first time they used the new missal in church. The changes are not too drastic, but feel very strange.
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Thanks Gina!
Kay, yes, we are now using the new form... not very drastic at all. In fact, tucked in my way back memory, those prayers were able to come back to me pretty quickly. I was 5 when Vatican II happened, so I never learned Latin but I do remember some of the forms of prayer. Skip, a convert, never knew them and kept making mistakes... like "And also with you" instead of "and with your spirit."!! And he's not bashful with prayer, *and* he was a lector at Mass, so he was loudly making mistakes in the front of the church! LOL Oh well. It will all come naturally to us very soon. My son in law is in RCIA and is learning the new form right out of the gate. He is choosing St. Michael as his patron saint since he is a police officer and fire fighter. We are going to his initiation as a catechumen Mass this coming Sunday. Very exciting times! I'm very proud of him. We live in a small town where he was born and raised and he's gotten a lot of flack for becoming Catholic - the horrors!!! :-) But his Catholic friends are happy to see him come to church with his wife and boys. It's good to see this, since their marriage was on the rocks just a few years ago when Becky and the boys moved up to NJ with us. Thanks be to God.
Let us pray. Give us the grace, Lord, to be ever on the watch for Christ your Son. When he comes and knocks at our door, let him find us alert in prayer, joyfully proclaiming his glory. [We make our prayer] through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God for ever and ever. Amen.
Let us bless the Lord. - Thanks be to God.
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From today's Office of Readings
A pastoral letter by St Charles Borromeo
The season of AdventBeloved, now is the acceptable time spoken of by the Spirit, the day of salvation, peace and reconciliation: the great season of Advent. This is the time eagerly awaited by the patriarchs and prophets, the time that holy Simeon rejoiced at last to see. This is the season that the Church has always celebrated with special solemnity. We too should always observe it with faith and love, offering praise and thanksgiving to the Father for the mercy and love he has shown us in this mystery. In his infinite love for us, though we were sinners, he sent his only Son to free us from the tyranny of Satan, to summon us to heaven, to welcome us into its innermost recesses, to show us truth itself, to train us in right conduct, to plant within us the seeds of virtue, to enrich us with the treasures of his grace, and to make us children of God and heirs of eternal life.
Each year, as the Church recalls this mystery, she urges us to renew the memory of the great love God has shown us. This holy season teaches us that Christ's coming was not only for the benefit of his contemporaries; his power has still to be communicated to us all. We shall share his power, if, through holy faith and the sacraments, we willingly accept the grace Christ earned for us, and live by that grace and in obedience to Christ.
The Church asks us to understand that Christ, who came once in the flesh, is prepared to come again. When we remove all obstacles to his presence he will come, at any hour and moment, to dwell spiritually in our hearts, bringing with him the riches of his grace.
In her concern for our salvation, our loving mother the Church uses this holy season to teach us through hymns, canticles and other forms of expression, of voice or ritual, used by the Holy Spirit. She shows us how grateful we should be for so great a blessing, and how to gain its benefit: our hearts should be as much prepared for the coming of Christ as if he were still to come into this world. The same lesson is given us for our imitation by the words and example of the holy men of the Old Testament.
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About the changes in the Missal, I was given when I had my first communion a missal that is in Latin and Spanish
I have been partial to Latin Mass, and have used it since it was given to me, even when I attended mass in all languages all over the world where we lived.
I was concerned to have to buy another, I had promised never to stop using my gift.
But the change is only in English, I guess the translation from Latin was not correct. I am a Linguist, and yes it was a glitch in the translations, now is very accurate, the good news for me, my missal I use everyday I do not need to replace after 40 years.
I am glad that now , there are more Latin Masses in the churches..
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I would love to join your Novena. I pray to St. Peregrine to bless and heal us.
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I found the new translation to allow for more reflection on what I was saying and praying. And a wonderful way to start the new church year.
Teresa
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Today my prayers were answered the way I hoped that they would be, my CT scans were all clear. God is good.
My facebook status before I got results this morning, and I think my new motto:
Living with hope, walking in faith.
Thank you all for your prayers for me too. Theresa so nice to have you back leading us in prayer and reflection, thank you.
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Yea Gina!! Great news.
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Yes, the new Missal will take a bit of getting used to. At Mass yesterday, I think I only remembered to say "and with your spirit" twice despite trying to follow along in my missal. Unfortunately, I'm in the choir and have a microphone in front of me that picked up every "and also with you"! I went to Mass this morning and I think I got all the responses right!
Sagina, so glad your scans were clear. Thanks be to God!
Hello Yorkiemom and welcome.
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Hooray Gina! Praise be to God indeed! I'm 2 years out from my diagnosis and still cringe when I have to have tests and scans. I guess it will never go away!
Great new moto too!
Tomorrow is the feast day of St. Andrew. My son's name is Andrew and he and his wife are expecting their first child next summer. I pray that St. Andrew will help my Andrew wake up to the faith in Christ and bring him back to the church! For his sake as well as the little one in the oven! :-)
Dreaming - that's very interesting about your Missal! I heard also that the new translation is really a more faithful translation of the old translation!
Pax!
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Yorkie, welcome! Theresa, thanks for the beautiful prayer. Gina, way to go! Love a great scan. Moms scans showed reduction of all mets. God is indeed great. Thank you Lord for your mercy.
Love and blessings to all here, mary0 -
Wonderful news Gina and Mary. The power of prayer is a great thing. God Bless.
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Gina great news congrats!!!!!
Mary.. so happy to hear the news about your mom!
Amen!
praying and thinking of all of you!
Maria
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Thanks Kay and Maria. It was such a relief. We really needed some good news. I continue to pray fervently for all of you who suffer from cancer. I truly believe that God has placed the cure somewhere on this planet and He will guide a special person to bring it to all the afflicted. If we cannot bear to see suffering, can you imagine how much it hurts God!? Blessings to you, mary
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Wonderful news Gina, Mary and all who are experiencing relief from this affliction! Praise God!!
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GINA AND MARY ! AWESOME!
today someone actually said to me......." a good catholic is not even a christian"
WOW
pray for people who are 100% sure....Catholics are going to Hell.
PAX! ( thanks Teresa )
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Ladies and our Frank,
Can you please pray for three people:
Gisella and Karen..... both needing scans for fear of pain.... mets..:( that both are healed!
Jill, my chemo buddy that is now on a chemo cream for skin cancer.....:(
Bottom of my heart thank you!
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Hello ladies
I told you last week about Maria who had died the previous Saturday. I was at the funeral last Friday. Her 2 daughters 6 & 8 year olds did the offertory procession and were very good. However as the coffin was being carried out of the church they broke down and started to cry. I didn't go to the burial but apparently they broke down again as the coffin was being lowered into the ground.
I don't know about you ladies but I find funerals upsetting under normal circumstances. However I have been to the funerals of a few cancer victims and I find that most distressing as I feel it is a bit too close to home !
Estepp I have had people say - within my hearing and deliberately so - that catholics are not christians. let them live on in their ignorance. I will mention your friends names in my daily prayer to St Peregrine.
Can I aslo ask for a prayer for number 2 princess for 6th Decenber?
Gina great to hear your good news.
So now that the wording changes in the mass are fully implemented how do you all enjoy being "consubstantial with the father?" ! ! !
Take care all
Frank
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Frank, prayers for your daughter and those two little girls of marias.
Thanks estepp and yorkie for the good wishes for mom. Prayers for your friends estepp.
Frank, I get that word consubstantial wrong every time! I should look it up in the dictionary. Maybe if I knew it's meaning, I would pronounce it correctly!
Have a great day all!
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Teresa, interesting comment about Catholic vs. Christian. My daughter's teacher (in a Catholic school no less) told them that "we're Catholic and that's not the same as Christian". Yikes...I quickly set my daughter straight on that front.
Frank, I know exactly how you feel. In the last three months I've been to 2 funerals for people taken by cancer at far too young an age (one age 11 and one age 41). It really does hit close to home.
I can't wrap my head around the word "consubstantial" either. Here's the definition according to dictionary.com: "of one and the same substance, essence, or nature."
So my question now is, how is that different than what we used to say "one in being with the Father"? Something for us to ponder!
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Here's a good explanation of Christ being consubstantial to the Father from Our Sunday Visitor:
http://www.romanmissalchanges.com/2011/01/what-consubstantial-with-father-means.html
Excerpt:
However, the expression "one in Being with the Father" does not translate "consubstantialem." The expression is too vague. Since God creates and sustains all that exists, everything in some sense can be said to be one in being with God. Not that everything is the divine nature but that everything outside of God remains dependent on the divine nature for its borrowed existence. The sameness that the Eternal Son enjoys with the Father is not like that. Instead, this sameness arises from the specific substance or nature of the Godhead. Catholic faith holds that each of the three Divine Persons share one and the same divine nature or substance. Just as the mystery of the Blessed Trinity stands at the heart of our belief, so also it grounds our salvation.
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Yes, Frank, funerals can be profoundly sad for those of us left behind, but gloriously wonderful for those finally seeing the face of God! As I too am of the age where I'm marching closer to my final home, I keep trying to understand the saint's attitude toward death... not so much, bring it on, but a waiting for the bridegroom to come and bring me home. I don't remember ever having my children stay home from funerals. We discussed the sadness and the beauty of death. Everyone has to come to terms with it on their own, in their own way. There is no escape! :-)
Saint Andrew, please inspire my son, Andrew, to come back to Christ through the Holy Catholic Church. Just as you led your brother, Simon Peter, to Christ. Please lead Andrew and all of our children and all those who have walked away, back to Christ! - Amen
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Thanks for sharing that link Theresa! It makes more sense now.
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HAHAHAA Frank, I read combustibles! that would be the other way?!
Praying for clean scans and for the chemo patient with skin cancer....and still for Maria's family, that the children have a peaceful healing with their understanding that mom is an angel now....
I've never been told Catholics weren't Christian, I have however been told by some non denominational Christians that I'm the most Catholic person they have met - and believe me that's not hardly true...........I always tell them, we read from the bible and we even get three passages from the Bible each Sunday and a Psalm to reflect on.
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The way I explain it is that all Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholic.
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good one Pat!
You know... I do get worked up when I am in love. I am in love with God,the Church, my dh, my two sons, my dil, my grandkids. ( I LOVE many more. but THESE are the ones I get worked up over)
All my adult life....... people tell me.... " you better not mess with anyone Laura love's....... not a good outcome for you"
Anyway..... I am always floored when one say this about Christian vs Catholic. It makes one sound as if they are from a limited mind!
Being " Christian" simply means.....first. belief that Jesus is God and He is the Savior... OUR Savior... Second...." The only way to the Father, is through the Son..".... Third ( DUH).... having a personal relationship with Him.....
Well................ whenever I say...... yes........... I AM SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD........ and that there is only ONE God........ in Christ........ and HE is my savior... and He alone.....He died for our sins... and He forgives our sins.............
I always get the " smile and nod" from those who are even asking me this to begin with...."well...... Catholics see it different." ( I , like Theresa, am the " go to" Catholic here....)
I say. no.. no we do not. Mary has no divine ability to forgive our sins...... Jesus is our only way to the Father.............. blah blah........ you know all the questions we get asked.......
I am off on a tangent. Sorry. Makes no sense to me...
back off who I am in LOVE with............. you don't wanna deal with me.... ( horrible I know.... my hubby says I am like the protective animal... DON'T mess with mine!)
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Laura!! LOL!! What a wonderful tangent! :-)
My son in law, who is converting to Catholicism, has a mother of that limited mind you speak of! She said we worship idols and was another one who thought Catholics were not Christians! My daughter used to get so mad at her. Now that Travis is converting, she's interested. I told Becky to pray for her MIL... maybe she'll be converted too!
My father was raised a Bible-Belt Baptist and his family basically disowned him when he married my Catholic mother AND converted to Catholicism. He was the one who insisted I be named Theresa after the little flower, whom he loved.
I wish others would study the history of Christianity and realize we were the first Christians and have not changed course in over 2000 years! :-)
Jesus *is* the way, the truth, the life!
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When I talk to non-Catholic Christians, the thing that bothers them and they ask about is praying to the saints. I have told them it's no different than asking a friend to pray for you. Am I correct about that?
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I also find the topic of "Christians vs Catholics" fascinating. The best author who explains the history of Christendom and how the first Christians were Catholics is Warren Carroll. He founded a wonderful conservative catholic college in Front Royal, Va. I've always told my kids that the definition of a Christian is one who follows Christ, so we Catholics are most definitely Christians.
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