MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN 40-60ish
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30's? Ugh! Haha, I may actually have to start watching the World Cup to check out the hotties. I played it and my son played it but I'm still not that interested. However, Atlanta just got a new professional soccer team - we had one before in the 70's that won the National Championship, and being the fair-weather fan that I am, I did follow it back then.
So we have a brand new team now, they don't even have a name yet. Plus my son recently moved to Seattle and they LOVE soccer there. So I will make an effort to get into it again, if for nothing else but to compete against Seattle, hahaha. I think my competitive streak is what keeps me going.
Welcome, Debster! Yes, breast cancer really puts a kink in the works. And nobody seems to get it but the ladies on these boards, and hopefully some family members. Glad the Taxotere is almost over. Stay hydrated and pee it all out!
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Here E. A BCO bud of mine on FB posted this today. I'm partial to #17 & #7.
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I should post the link probably. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/the-hottest-bearded-men-of-the-world-cup?
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I get painfully bored and frustrated trying to watch sports. Something like soccer is incomprehensible to me. A bunch of grown men running up and down, up and down. The worst part is that the goalies don't wear the uniform of the team, so I never know which end belongs to which team. Much as I have tried, I simply don't get the point of it.
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Elimar--post
radiation pain syndrome is a very real thing, and the reason I had a mastectomy
after lumpectomy and rads.If yours is
only twingy, count your blessings.Footballnut--waiting
is what we get good at during bc diagnosis and treatment, isn't it?Momine--I never have
understood the attraction of watching grown men chasing each other and balls
around with sticks and things. . . .0 -
Native, put that way, it does rather evoke a whole different scenario
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Hi elimar, My DX is stage 1Invasive Ductual Carinoma, I have clear nodes but showed some in my vascular so to be safer and not take any chances we went with chemo as well as radiation. I am having taxatere and cyclophosphamide treatments. I have had 3 of my 4 treatments done but the taxotere seems to be more then my body can take. My doc may not let me have my last treatment do to reactions I am having and will let me know once we get through this two weeks.
My doc gave me permission to go see my family this week so I am so excited! Good to get away even just a couple days!
Hope your day is wonderful! Hugs and love to all
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I can "understand" soccer and admire the way they kick that ball around, but football just boggles my brain! They get the ball and then kick it or throw it to someone who has to run even further to the goal! He gets tackled and they all move further away from the goal he was running towards!! Huh?????
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Barbe - You're confusing ME and I LOVE football! Here is the game in a nutshell:
There is a "kick off" or there can be a "Punt" depending on if it is the start of a half or if a team has to turn the ball back over to the other team. This is where they kick it away from the "endzone" (goal in soccer) they are defending and the other team has to run it back as far as they can before they are tackled.Each team gets 4 "downs" or tries to move the ball at least 10 yards. If they do not do it in 3, they punt the ball to the other team. The goal is to get the ball in the "endzone".
If they throw or run it in - it is a touchdown and worth 6 points (they can kick through the goal posts (aka field goal)for another point). If they decide to try for a field goal only, it is 3 points.
There can be some exciting plays in football. For me soccer is whole lot of running around and not much satisfaction!
By the way, I'm new to this thread. I am 53 and glad there is a message board for us! I have my second A/C treatment in about an hour. First time wasn't toooo bad. Hoping for more of the same
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Hello to you, HomeMom! How many A/C treatments will you get, total? Chemo kicked me around last summer (diff. cancer) but the good part about having it thru' summer (for me) was that I could still enjoy being outdoors, resting on my deck or walking or biking a little. They say activity helps with fatigue and I do think it helped me overall, even tho' my muscle tone was just eaten up by the chemo. I lost weight...two main reasons: It took a lot of calories to rebuild what chemo was tearing down and I couldn't eat enough apparently; which was because chemo took my saliva away which made almost(*) everything taste bad and eating anything with red pepper in it was just awful, while sugary things tasted like sticky gak.
(*) Watermelon and mustard seemed to taste the same. Good thing it was melon season.
I hope you cleared up the direction of football play for Barbe because I think she switched it around too.
Debster, What was the Grade of your cancer? Was it ER+? Did you ever have an OncotypeDx test? I am trying to understand why chemo was chosen in your case. As far as the missing the final dose...The doctors are looking at your blood work each time and that is fairly representative of how much your body can stand. Sometimes they will delay or skip treatment entirely if you really are tanking. BUT you are the one feeling your body so do not feel like you don't have a say about it.
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Why soccer over football? At least part of my reason is I like my beefcake on the leaner side. While there might be a nice QB or running back every now and then in football, with soccer there are 22 fit & trim men on the field every time. That maximizes my hottie viewing. The more you watch a sport, the more you can see the nuance of play, and I think most games are exciting. For those who think the only exciting part of a sport is the scoring, soccer is not for you. Soccer is somewhat more like hockey as far as the scoring goes (only without the bulky clothing to hamper the visible hotness.)
Eph, Thanks for the tip sheet. Can't tell the (hottie) players without a program. Already know those little Spain boys (winners of Cup four years ago, plus Torres is in on the roster again, oogle below,) but like I said, there is a whole new crop of hotties.
Momine, You shock me. Greece qualified for Cup and your whole country is going to be watching them (and going crazy.) Everyone but you. I was there in 1986, so I know the level of frenzy the Greek fans can muster. (That was a general election year and pound for pound, I have to say the election brought out even more frenzy than the soccer. Hehehe! You know what I mean. Birthplace of Democracy.)
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I love football! Since my chemo is scheduled to end in mid august I should be good to go for the nfl season! As for hotties, we have our crew! My fave quarterback may not be one of them but I do love him dearly for his accomplishments and character! For those of you football fans I hope that you like the pic because when I saw it I thought "damn I wish I wrote that!"
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here's a few of my faves - drew BREES, Colin kapernick and a young PEYTON with abs...... Followed by my nhl goalie henrik lundqvist. Best dressed in the nhl! The pics posted a bit out of order but you'll get the idea!! Lol
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Homemom, I have absolutely no idea what that meant.
All I can discern is that they run around with a ball and crash into each other for no apparent good reason.Elimar, it was even worse in 2004, when the Greeks won some big soccer tournament. I tried to watch the final game, I really did, but I get so bored that it makes me cranky. So I lasted about 10 minutes, my longest stretch yet. People have explained it to me, and I sort of get the point of it, in theory. Then I try to watch again, and 3 minutes into it, my eyes glaze over. The thing with not knowing whose goal is which gets me every time. Also, they only try to score something like every half hour, and in between you are left with the endless running up and down thing.
What is the "cup" that they qualified for? The thing in Brazil?
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F-nut, I am only sorry you missed my (accurate!) Super Bowl 2012 prediction, based on the hottness of the QBs (Brady & E. Manning.) It was hilarious, if I do say so myself. You could probably search it out in the posts if you are inclined.
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Yes, Momine, that thing in Brazil. (elimar throws up her hands!)
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elimar too funny! I never could like those two but must admit that I do like the PEYTON / Eli commercials! They're a hoot!!
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Where I live is around a golf course and resort Inn. We have two legal sized rinks for hockey (indoors) and two regulation soccer fields. The Spain Olympic soccer team practices here every summer for some strange reason, along with other teams. Yawn......
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F-nut. that tatooed man would be fine living in my neighborhood, so we could visit. And that other man wears his suit very well. I am a sort of basketball fan, by proxy, my man loves his lakers even when they are awful. But besides running and swimming, tennis and climbing trees, basketball was one sport i was pretty good at in high school, so i enjoyed it more than most team sports (we had to have phys-ed). too funny though, after i got lymphedema, i began to notice that i was admiring their well-shaped arms, more than anything, and forgetting to watch the game. One thing i like about basketball, is, when someone is so great, that they can change direction while they are up in the air. I have done that exactly once in my life, in my 30's, crossing a busy down hill street, in San francisco's china town. and the coolest thing was, it felt great, and when i had done my errand, and came back to where i started, there had been witnesses. i had been there with a gang of 8 friends,mostly guys, who were fellow artists/musicians, and had gone their to pick up some equipment. and they had watched me, and i saw a new respect in their eyes for me, cause they were ALL basketball nuts. i am probably the only one who remembers that moment now, but the feeling of joy coursing through my bod, as i did it, was amazing. i am so happy i threw myself around so much, in my idle youth. Am i gonna be one of those old granpa type people boring people to death w/stories?
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i forgot to say, Pao Gasol. He is pretty easy on the eyes.
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I also like Fomula One (daredevil hotties,) polo (rich horseback hotties,) and some tennis (hotties with one big arm, like a fiddler crab.)
Also, my Canadian Middies, I love curling. (Not particularly hot, but I just love seeing man doing a chore-type activity, sweeping with a broom.)
p.s. kathec, I am checking out the NBA Finals right now too. Basketball is another sport that makes a person super-fit, equally on both sides, which I like. Although I do like a tall guy, some of the NBA dudes are just abberations of giantism. Oh wait, that is another thing I like.
p.p.s. I am not crazy about the tattoos so many of the athletes have. It was not so common a few years ago in soccer, but they have kind of followed the trend now.
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Eli, ok, thanks. I knew the Brazil thing was a big deal, because they covered it for a full freakin' half hour on BBC, when I was on the treadmill in the gym and hoping for some news or something. I didn't know that the Greeks were part of it though. I don't know anyone IRL who follows sports, or if I do, those people go about it very quietly.
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The Google search homepage is observing World Cup today. Yesterday, in Brazil they had a HUGE opening ceremony, like how they now do the Olympics. Major pageantry. I think part of it was about creation and had people that were walking trees, another part was JLo in a barely there outfit. Trees were cool.
It's the most watched sporting in the world. But it ain't curling.
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never got into basketball. The last time I watched was when what's his name played for the boston celtics!! OMG! Is this chemo brain????
Kathec love ur story! I have one of those involving music. I remember it like yesterday. Growing up in Montreal I used to go to a bar called fortification - long gone. I used to bring my angus young schoolboy suit and the Dj would give me notice before playing ac/dc so that I could change
One time he played shot down in flames and I had a crowd of people around me banging their heads while I "did my" angus in the middle
There is a part in the song where Bon the singer says "angus shoot me". They all pointed at me and said it
I knew then that I would never forget that moment. Seems like yesterday!!!!
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Elimar, Yes I am ER positive grade 2 stage 1. My nodes were clear but I show cancer cells in my vascular system going into my nodes so both my radiation doctor and my onc. doctor feel it is better for me to do chemo because it is very easy to miss and it only takes a very small bit to get through.... They are not sure it hasn't already got past my breast. So I chose to agree with them for the treatment so I can do all I can to help myself.
Hugs and love to you
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I can handle watching golf if I'm doing something else with my hands, like a craft. But I can't really sit and watch too many TV shows with any kind of attention. I will watch Survivor or Big Brother or something and tolerate it only because we have a PVR and I can blow through the commercials.
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Debster, It is kind of a moot point now, because you have almost come to the end of the chemo, but since others read thru' this thread I've just got to say it: How much benefit were you supposed to get from the chemo? You see, chemo works great on aggressive, fast growing cancers; but ER+ are generally slow growing cancers that are not particularly responsive to chemo (and on which the anti-hormonal drugs work much better than chemo does.) To give a woman chemo just because she has lymphovascular invasion (LVI) does not take into account what kind of cancer she has. To give a woman chemo based on lymphvascular invasion alone can amount to being over-treated. For this reason, a test called the OncotypeDx was developed, which helped to determine how much benefit a person with a small, ER+ cancer would receive.
In the best case scenario, your Grade 2 cancer DID have a fast growth rate, which could be affected by the chemo. Hopefully, this was taken into account by your doctors. In the worst case scenario, they gave you chemo based on the LVI alone, and it may not even be very effective, but kicked your butt just the same. The good news is that with ER+ you will also be getting Tamoxifen or an AI before too long, both of which are particularly good at fighting hormone-driven cancers.
I can imagine you reading this and thinking, "What in the heck does elimar know? She is not a doctor." Please, take the time to do your own investigations into your treatment. I think you will come to understand what I am saying here. I really hoped the chemo did help you.
What is next for you? Radiation?
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elimar. ok, now you have really got me thinking that perhaps i was over treated. i think i had only two nodes positve before treatment, but the lady who biopsied them, i could actually feel her kind of stirring them, with the needle in my skin, to find another, i think shes the one who messed them up. because on imaging a whole month prior to surgery, only two looked enlarged, or involved. and then i tested equivocal for her2 by IHC and FSH, but they wanted to give me herceptin anyway. i was so naive then,, and had only found this sight the night before chemo was supposed to start. anyway, the original tumor in my breast was small and not agressive, but apparently by the time it went to my nodes, they said it went nuts there and became a whole different animal altogether, and those two reasons, they dont give herceptin alone, and the LVI meant that it could have gotten into your bloodstream, was why they gave me chemo. and when later i found out about the oncotype test, he said that was only for earlier stages. but i thought it ws to find out which chemo would be effective for each individual, or if it even was gonna be effective. now i am even wondering if they moved up my grade, because they even seemed baffled by whether i was luminal a or b. woman who stirred up my nodes, her pathologist said i was luminal b. my tx place refused to tell me whether i was or not.
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kathec, Your BC is unlike Debster. Big tumor, lots of nodes involved, LVI, Grade 3 (even if questionable) and HER2+ (even if just weakly,) so I wouldn't second guess that if I got chemo for that Dx. Chemo really is still a given in your case, therefore Oncotype test does not apply.
I'm just saying if someone has a early stage, low grade, ER+ tumor, even with a couple nodes involved or LVI, it seems that some doctors just go with the anti-hormonal systemic treatment these days. That the anti-hormonals are more tailored for that type of slow growth. The Oncotype test is often a deciding factor for that.
Hope I did not add to confusion. Where's Barbe? She is good at saying a lot of the same things I do, only in different words. She knows what I am talking about too.
And, Debster, it takes quite a bit of reading, here and elsewhere, before you discover some of this kind of cancer info. In our haste to "get the cancer out" we really don't have all the information up front. It would be kind of impossible, unless we were oncology nurses or something. If I could go back and do it all again, I know I'd have done things differently now that I've learned a thing or two. Not that I want to do this again. Ever!
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Hi Elimar, the first time I was diagnosed I was 49, 3 years ago at 59, I had my second bout and had a bilateral mastectomy, now at 62, I have it again in the same breast as last time. I have been dealing with this all through my middle age. The first time I was still working, went to work every day all through chemo and radiation, I think I did really well physically and emotionally as well. The second time I just needed surgery and local radiation, so it wasn't so bad. So far this time, I have had surgery, but I don't know yet what treatments I will need. I am finding it much harder to deal with emotionally this time, as I never in a million years expected to be back in this boat again I also think it was easier when I was working, having to be someplace everyday kept my mind occupied and I had very good support from my coworkers, I am finding it a little lonely this time. Best of luck to all of you.
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