Pinktober Revolution
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In order to have an opinion on this I would need more information. Is it a large company with big profits or some local Mom and Pop struggeling to stay afloat? Who gets the money? etc.
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Well diana and chabba--that's why each of us, if we are posting on the list thread need to decipher how they "don't meet, or meet. or exceed expectations.
Based on what Makrat wrote this company fails question #3. If we use the questions as our reason for posting on list anyone coming behind us can decipher from questions and then the description following organization ---why they were added to the list.
I'll be adding Mothers Grace,Passes question1-- Description exceeds expectations, provides & for mammo, and whatever else I find out and I'll add a % of donations that go to BC patients.
I think it might take a few to get the gist.
Wren or whomever posted about Dr Love's organization work it up and add it to the list.
Anyone unsure look at example again, use them as a guide
I can see I need to do a little editing on the List header, but since I have worked on the writing , I understand it. It will take each of you doing one to see how it works. Once you understand it I think you will be as excited as I am. Rememebr it's your post , so, if you decide to edit it you can. We will work on them together. YayYay teamwork
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Diana I get your point , but I interpret what Mak said differently that's why we have to be patient until she reads the posts, rereads the FB post , determines which question it doesn't meet and posts. Give it time to work. Admittedly I did treat BCO differetnly and I may go back and edit for continuity sake.
New concepts need time to germinate. I love Divines analogy---The rocket has taken off, if we need to adjust trajectory, we do, simple as that.
May be I so love Divines analogy b/c I live on the SpaceCoast in fl. Two rockets off from Thurs to Sun. One government(military, One private industry. WEEEEEEEEEEE off they go ---pretty sight and wonder. Needless to say they are adjusting all the time ---even for the smallest detail.
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Actually, dltnhm, this is NOT simply a donation. If a business wanted to make a donation to a cause, they could do it any time, without tying it to any requirement (the Facebook "likes"), and without the marketing.
When someone "likes" a page on Facebook it is automatically added to your newsfeed (so you are more likely to see their posts), and all your friends see a message that you "like" that page (making it more likely that they will, in turn, at least check out their page).
I don't know what company is doing this, but presumably they sell something, and more eyeballs on their FB page means more advertising opportunities. No business runs a FB page because its fun (though it might be), they do it to promote their brand. I run the FB page of an animal rescue group I volunteer with. It's annoying and time consuming and I don't get paid for it, but I do it because being on FB means promoting our message, and communicating with our "fans."
Meanwhile, it costs the company/organization very little to post a message on FB.
That capped $400 is nothing more than an advertising expense. I would bet that the money is tied directly to their ad budget. Unlike the money they might spend on a newspaper ad, though, they also get to write it off as a "charitable donation."
Furthermore, running this promotion in *October* is taking advantage of the "pink" branding and using people's feelings regarding breast cancer to increase a sense of goodwill towards the company.
It's honestly not much different than the pages that run contests- submit a photo, then get all your FB friends to "like" the page, then "like" the photo you submitted, and you could win a prize. (Just yesterday I liked a page to try to help a friend win a new pair of running shoes!) The amount of capital they put out for the prizes is an advertising expense that garners the business a bunch of new potential customers. Except in this situation, the business is doing it based on a disease that kills people. It's dishonest and it disgusts me, and I would not ever "like" a business page that uses this tactic.0 -
And actually, Cottontail, you don't know anything more about this business than I do ... only what Makrat shared.
You don't know if they only make a donation to one not-for-profit all year long - $400, or if that business might be making $400 contributions to multiple non-profits. You don't know if those who own and run the company have ulterior motives - unless your psychic ;-)
Yes, they tied the 'likes' on their facebook to their donation during October. Is that a huge surprise? This very site has a big advertisement on its main page for an event during the month of October. My Comcast On Demand menu has multiple videos to watch (the bulk of which were created by BCO) during the month of October? Many, many businesses that give huge amounts to research and education and yes, even awareness (what some consider a 'dirty word' now) do their promotions for donating during this month. Why? Because this is the month that has come to be associated with Breast Cancer. Like it or not, that will probably not be undone.
Here's an example: Businesses that might not give to the Salvation Army any other time of the year collect and advertise during the months of November and December because, 'Hello', that is when the 'people's feelings regarding' those who are less fortunate than others is heightened and perhaps 'to increase a sense of goodwill towards the company.'
As I have written before on this thread, my husband has worked for not-for-profits longer than our 25 year marriage. I am keenly aware of how donations are garnered and solicited. And I am well aware that businesses often 'profit' from their associations with causes and charities and such. Yes, businesses and individuals can write off "charitable donations" - that is a VERY GOOD THING. It is, more often than not, a win-win for everyone involved.
Some people believe that donations should only be done anonymously - whether that be from an individual, a family, a small business, or a large corporation. That's an opinion that some people have. But a business in some way garnering goodwill or a monetary reward in increased sales due to its charitable involvement is something that cannot be judged from a post about a $400 donation and 'likes' on a FB page. Do we fault a person on this website for writing that she is donating to BCO in someone's memory or because she received monetary compensation for something? Do we call her selfish or egotistical for the attention that she is bringing to her donation? Or do we recognize that an individual's coming forward in both instances brings to the forefront that this site is not run on air and connectedness, but actually needs money to exist. And because it has aided so many women ... it might be a great place to channel donations. And we see in one case an example set forth that the person does not want to appear to profit or to profit from her part in aiding others wearing the message they want to wear. But I would never have faulted that person for keeping that amount.
There is much that I do not like about how money is raised and spent under the guise of helping finding a cure for Breast Cancer. But I will not set myself up as judge and juror over a company with the few facts that were presented here. Makrat was looking for guidance - she was not throwing a business under the bus. That is to her credit.
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Okay I added Mothers Grace per the format I'm requesting you use. Picky, picky. If we all attempt the same format, those that have never read any of our words will be able to follow the list after reading the header.
Cottontail Thanks for the education, I knew almost nothing of what you posted. So, I'll amend my note to read Makrat to read your post in evaluateing her determining if she passes or fails the XYZ fb thingy she posted about---it may entail her calling the company. As I did with Mother Grace. I also , reviewed entire web site. Michelle is a BCO member and I know her well so it was an easy place to start. Maybe adding approved 501c3. Would show the legitimacy of an organization. Yes I think that is important I'll change header.
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Diana - Well said.
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Hi I'm back. I do not want to name the business...it's a small business that provides a service. After I thought about it I don't even want to write anything on the post. I'm just not going to "like" the page.
Thanks everyone. Sorry for causing a stir.0 -
dltnhm---please, you have offered many salient points just as cottontail has. This is a growth process. Let's not drown the baby before it's first breath. We will all be working together. If we feel something should be altered , then we ask. I've asked deana who posted after me if she could relook at my Mother Grace post and the Lymphoma post and try to follow the same format.
I'll be editing header to add 501c3 status--definition--approved Federal American tax exempt nonprofit charitable organization.
See adjusting and growing in thought
Deanna hasn't time to look for all the info so I will find it for her. That's teamwork
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Makrat you created no stir what so ever. There was discussion by members, that stated pro and con on the topic , but was not directed at you. I PM'd you and plead don't leave. Your mind is too valuable to lose.
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Listen folks---we have not had a member want to walk away from us since page one. So, tone down the rhetoric. If you feel this means you then the feeling may be right on. We have had teamwork from Page one, that couldn't have happened without respect for each other. If I see anyone being intimidated or someone wants to PM and tell me they are being intimidated. I will ask the intimidator to leave the thread. Period Blunt.
edit 10/12: whew well that sounded like a nun in a schoolyard with her hands on her hips. Taking the bold off if I can . already tried and it wouldn't work. Well it worked that time.
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I've managed to have two days of seeing absolutely no pink ribbons or other pink bullsh*t on my Facebook. Last week I linked to several articles on pinkwashing (over a few days), and let people know that if I saw any pink crap from them on my newsfeed I would be deleting them. Three people did anyway, and they have been removed. OTOH I have been very supportive of a friend who has linked to an organization in her community who is giving free mammograms to women who meet certain criteria.
I think if another friend posts anything about "awareness," I will be directing them to The Scar Project. THAT should raise their awareness. (And then I'll probably delete them.)0 -
SAS it sounds like your rhetoric, bold type and threat to label people as intimidators and ultimately tell them to leave could be labeled as 'intimidating.' I don't see where anyone has 'intimidated' anyone else. Each person has an opinion and is entitled to express it even if it means telling another member they disagree with them.
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Junif I don't mind people disagreeing, but if no one has said they are leaving the thread in 32 -33 pages and I felt like I was playing peacemaker the last two pages. I'll take a stand. We have accomplished much here and had fun doing it. Yes my bolded statement was to send a message.
All opinions are welcome, but in conversational tone. Except my Bold message- LOL's
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I really don't have a problem with having the thread I started being moved to advocacy. I'm just glad there's at least some information about reputable organizations gathered and put together somewhere on this board. Because when I started looking for that information here, I couldn't locate it. And, sometimes you begin a thread and someone else will chime in to say there are similar threads on the board. Like I did with sas-shatzi's thread. So I figured I would ask for the information and be lead accordingly. And I had no idea where to post the thread, so I started it in the stage iv forum, because that's what I'm dealing with. Most of my posting goes on there.
As for sas-shatzi, I admire her passion. She is wanting to get that word out there.
I want to say that as a woman dealing with stage iv breast cancer, I feel an URGENCY in this matter of wanting donation dollars to be going to the right places. I am looking at this thinking, "perhaps I will live long enough that a CURE will be found and I will be CURED". I can't believe I get an update on the Angels thread several times a frigging month saying that yet another member of BCO has died of breast cancer. Breast cancer is an effing epidemic!!!!!! Isn't anyone getting tired and winded from all this "racing"? When do we get to cross the finish line? If all this money being poured into breast cancer research can find a cure, then we can pour the money into researching these other cancers that are killing people.
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Plus, not to sound dumb, but I have to read up on that word advocacy. Because I'm not really sure what it means.
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Divine, That's why I wanted our own category, I have your correct link in the header. If you could correct it in your post on list page, that would be great. They changed you because they read your site as I said before and saw where you were going to add organizations that weren't so good---paraphrase----that changed you from donations to advocacy. Again look up I put you in the header here and on the list thread. I think advocacy in BCO means controversy LOL Could be dead wrong.
DS home in the last 1/2 hours, we only have overnight, we have little time together LOL, he's already called me from the pool twice.
Shells he loves the tee's
LOVE ya'll. sassy
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Sas - I think someone took exception to comments I made about pinkwashing in an earlier post. That was what my post referenced. Maybe I was just having a bad day, butI didn't want them to think I was being rude. :-)
On the site with the questions you may want to consider asking how much of the money received goes for "administrative" costs. There are lots of charities (all charities, not just BC) that put lots of money into admin costs as a way to keep more of it. Just a thought.
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Hi Mini---lovey, that could easily be added to question one --i think . Haven't got them memorized or may be won't . Used to be a walking textbook---oh well.
Actually it seems to me, it's a Federal law if you ask how much goes to the designated charity they have to respond. I have had calls, that when I asked that ?--and they responded with x--I'd say no thank you
OKay POR's Need someone to go to charity navigator-or where ever and ask % okay to administrative costs versus what is an expected reasonable ratio. There was a time I knew this.--Not now
Mothers Grace--->90% goes to stuff , no staff takes any pay.
Look we are breaking ground here , we all need to be involved-back to DS
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Great, Sas. Don't keep the old man waiting. At least he's not asleep on the couch like mine is...
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Lol Shells DS asleep on the couch. !0:54 pm. Asleep awhile. He's now on the down curve of excitement /play all the time---we all remember that. Sleep comes differently then. He's away from the play space. Home ---it comes easy now to sleep. Poop I want to talk---oh well
Have a return message from cowboy boss whose a female will f/u tomorrow. Deanna is such a great person, she gives so much to newbies. I'm trying to follow up on details for her post
Again I may sound picky , but if we try to follow the same process as in Mother graces post----I believe we can create a list that BCO members can go to that they feel comfortable donating to or seeking financial assistance, b/c they know the facts. Redundant words and may be redundant in the future.-------well that's normal
Mini--when my son was a young one and hurt his hand --I said steve just blow it off--he looked at his hand and blew-- A stark moment for me. He did it literally, as directed. It was amazing to watch. Mini you are valued here. Do not explain or excuse yourself from anything. Dear Mini you are valued here and loved sheila
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Divine-my heart is heavy for your words---Bc sucks. I sit back and just say fuck. then i look and think about what you just posted. We need to do our small part------- second by making the list, get it going. Then we attack someway else. Then when that's finished we figure something else to attack. The first was the tee's . We've done one thing that will get others going. DS son loved the tee's------now to get him to wear one in Tampa at the law firm--I ordered his size. Mom usually get's his hand-me-downs. He's 6 foot, I'm 5 -3 It works. Surprised when i figured it out. saves money, I'm cheap. Need sleep night loveys sas
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Ha, ha. I had a feeling. Yep, as soon as I mention that I'm dealing with stage iv, the thread goes silent. Yeah, I thought so.
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Divine - I think we just run out of steam every so often. :-)
Sas - Thank you. There are so few places where I can vent honestly without wondering if I am hurting someone (my kids, DH, etc), scaring someone or just having to explain myself and/or listening to well meaning platitudes.
We're already making a difference in our small way. I've already had a number of friends ask about different charities and/or tell me they have become more aware of the pink crap and its implications. Gee, awareness that didn't cost anything. What a concept. Maybe it will be like that old shampoo commercial - I told 2 people and they told two people, and so on...
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I told one person today....I had to go to the dr.with my son...his office was very crowded.low and behold I took a quick scan of what people were wearing...right next to me sat 2 ladies.one wearing a pink shirt...she started talkin to me and I asked her where did you get the shirt and why are you wearing it...she said she bought it to support bc.and she got it from komen...I started bugging....once again I gave her the speech...by the time ingot finished with her not only was she gonna tell all her friends and family but she promised to cut the shirt up and use it for a rag!!!!!!!!!
Did a great job grannydukes!!!!!!!!!0 -
Took a day off--want to let you know that the list format is not simple . Reads simple. Like oh yeah these are good things to know about an organization. But when you apply them to what the organizations web site has posted that's a whole other ballgame. It's a true critical analysis. I've done 1 1/2 Mothers Grace and working on the cowboy link. So I will finish the cowboy one. Then gonibg to go to "think before you pink" and seeif they have already got a list that they applied their own questions too. So, don't try to do any evaluation till I get back to you. sheila
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SAS, I don't know what thread to post this on.
Dr. Susan Love Research Foundation www.dslrf.org. 85 cents of every dollar goes directly to research.
She also has the Army of Women. You sign up and are notified of research projects looking for participants. No obligation to sign up for anything.
Also, Health of Women study. Questionnaire based longitudinal research which plans to follow women for 20 years to try to find the cause of BC. This study needs all women. Any age, race, with or without cancer. Men who are at high risk are also needed.
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Wren-lost my post to you pooper. Try again. The link is in the header. I've put the links in the headers of several threads, makes traveling link to link like the transporter in StarTrek.
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Go MINI and GRANNY
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Well, always a well..... I talked to the folks at Breast Cancer Action who developed the four ctitical questions. They have not developed a list applying the questions. The gal I talked to is going to bring it up at a general meeting to see if anyone is aware of any organization that has applied the questions and made a list. So, I will go to charity navigator next and see what I can pull from them BE BACK. sassy
Have found a way to keep notes as you are gathering information. You can either do it in the box on the list page and edit as you add info. As you are editing, as you add, don't worry about putting an editing date. This is a work in progress. OR you can use the archives link as a work /note/info storage place. Once finished if using archives page then just C&P to List page the final product. Right now I'm using the Archives Page for storing info regarding Cowboys link TETWP--Tough Enough to Wear Pink.
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