Pinktober Revolution
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Thank you, Blessings2011. I was always taught that it's not what you say, it's how you say it.
I can understand that some people need to express their anger, but I think the anger should be saved for the people controlling where the money is spent, like Komen and ACS, not for the people making the donations, not for the people trying to help.
Do you get mad at college sorority girls.. http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=19461
No - they're doing a good thing - it's Komen that needs to make the change to satisfy you, not these girls working so hard all year to help women. This actually could be a good place to start, since these girls are doing so much to raise awareness, maybe offer to go and speak with them about how more research dollars are needed, that even people who had early detection can find it come back 10 years down the road, etc. But, they certainly don't deserve to be spoken to harshly. What are they doing wrong?
I still don't understand the mentality that thinks it's OK to vandalize property (and yes, putting tacky stickers all over pink products is vandalsim), or interrogating well-meaning store owners who had the nerve to support a charity you don't, when it's just as easy, and a LOT more productive to go after the charity for ignoring anything other than "awareness". Or, if you're going to question store owners, have an alternative suggestion of a charity that spends enough on research or metastic disease or whatever you are looking for.
I do believe that companies like the clothing one somewhere in this thread that is merely selling pink things without sending anything to any charity - they deserve anything they get, because that's horribly dishonest, and they should be exposed for the fraud they are committing on the public. (And that's why I suggested creating "OctoberWatch", because low-lifes like the people running that clothing company should be listed as the thieves that they are).
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The NFL auction program specifically designates the money to the ACS CHANGE program:
All apparel worn at games by players and coaches, along with special game balls and pink coins will be auctioned off at NFL Auction, with proceeds benefiting the American Cancer Society's Community Health Advocates National Grants for Empowerment (CHANGE) program. The CHANGE program provides outreach and breast cancer screenings to women in underserved communities. The NFL markets being supported in the first year of the program are Atlanta, Baltimore, New England, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Denver, Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Kansas City, New Orleans, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Seattle, and Washington, DC.
Also, Breast Cancer Action already has the Think Before You Pink program in effect to monitor companies that pinkwash. Please click on this link to see a full explanation:
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I don't think there is anything wrong with speaking to shop owners/managers about where the funds for their pink products are going. In many cases someone made a conscious effort to order those products and put them on the shelf. They SHOULD be aware of where the funds are going, if for no other reason to be able to tell customers who ask about it. At most, I would hope that the products they choose to sell are contributing to a charity they support, instead of stocking just any old pink product.
And as someone who is EXTREMELY aware of where my dollars are going (I have to be, as I only buy cruelty-free products), I should be able to ask someone where the donation dollars are going, and make a decision to buy or not based on the answer. If I don't like the charity tey are supporting, I have the right to not buy the product. I also have the right to walk out of a store and never shop there again, if I decide the owner/manager is a clueless jerk only interested in profiting from a disease that kills people.
That's not interrogation, it's being informed.
Yes, Komen needs to change. But that isn't going to happen as long as the money is rolling in. They need to see a drop in the funds they are receiving and, hopefully, an increase in funds going to organizations dedicated to funding something more than "awareness" and big CEO salaries.
It seems like the local Komen groups give a much greater percentage to patient care, screenings, and such, which is great, but if they see other groups who do this better getting money that they used to get, and can correlate it to public unhappiness with the national group, I hope they are able to put pressure on national to change policies, etc. Or the people can choose to align themselves with a group other than Komen.
There is no reason that less money for Komen has to mean less money to all bc-focused groups.
Sitting back and trusting businesses to do whatever is best, and donating to organizations that put on a pretty campaign without examining their ethics and policies is what got us to this point. Continuing on that path does nothing but continue to line people's pockets.0 -
Someone a page or so ago mentioned having your own fundraiser and I've been thinking just that. Why not cut out the middle-women (Komen et al.), organize a fundraiser, hold it and give the proceeds directly to Dr. So and So at State University who is doing research on XYZ for breast cancer? Would they not take your check? Yes they will. I work in a lab and without grants we are SOL. Even a small grant, designated or not, can buy supplies we need to carry out our research. Right now I need $1200 for a new centrifuge but we don't have any money (thanks, Gov. Scott).
Problem is, it does take time and money to organize and advertise an event, even Bowl-a-thon 2012, where I'm going to ask Hungry Howie's to donate pink pizza, and get the lanes for free....so I do have an appreciation for those who organize things for big events. I think our arguments are for where the proceeds will get designated.
That was my lunch time post. Now, back to work!
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Shells , got the shirsts yesterday-that was way less then the expected two week. Found i have to turn them around so the sayings on the back. Phrase is obsured by my Foobs. Quality of product is great Thanks.
We could start a thread that has names of acepptable places to donate too. BCO has restriction in their Terms of Service, But I'' write a Pm.
Special K your link states it well . Iwill c&p to fb page.
Cottontail your post could be a side bar editorial to SpecialK's link
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sent this Pm to mods--self explanatory----will be sending SpecialK 's link.
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Heloooo mods, there has been allot of discussion on Pinktober re:listing those organizations that pink , but actually don't donate to any organizations. Could we start a list that identifies organization that openly define where their donations go to. Would seem to me we would have to verify source before it could be posted. But that's not an impossible task.
There is a link that I will return with that Special K posted. It asks four very good question about what and organization is doing in re: to BC
I'm going to post this on Pinktober as well. It may cause someone to have more ideas in this regard than what I have stated
Thanks to all of you for what you(BCO) does for keeping these forums open
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The advantage of doing a list that identifies organizations that we would want to contribute too. It's here, easy resource. We know that if it's been posted here the research would be done. We would have to be zealous in making sure that our info is correct. We could include addresses and phone numbers. Even different categories, but that would be a lot more work. versus just listing.
With each listing would be a short description of why the met the qriteria to be listed. The link that Special K just posted above could stand as the basic criteria to be listed. Those four questions , plus any others that might be deemed worthwhile could be added.
I'll start the thread with the proviso not to post yet until we hear from Mods. sheila
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Ah the thread is under construction I'll be back.
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I may have missed it but has anyone remembered the one BC oriented non-profit so very important to all of us here? For over 30 years I have given my contributions directly to the organizations I support and not to fund raising organizations, even those hired by those I support because so much gets diverted to those campaign costs. Number two on my list is now BCO.
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Chabba Intend to put them first on the list sassy
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/114/topic/794711?page=1#post_3245118
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Just got off Huff Post women section and needed to post another Pinktober event: Shoot for the Cure, brought to you by the Illinois Rifle Association who is hosting a bc "day at the range". Wonder what they use for targets?
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To Clarifify -- I do not vandalize anything; I do not put stickers on merchandise, as is inferred above. My stickers go on MY grocery bags, my shirt and/or MY purse..... And I have posted (with a thumb tack ) same stickers on public bulletin boards....0
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SAS - Put your link on Favorites list.
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GramE,
Noting your clarification above - but wondering why, then, did you post the following in this thread on October 2nd?
"I am one of the ones who makes and posts stickers in stores and on merchandise with the following "Breast cancer is a disease, not a marketing ploy." And I have "accidentally" knocked over some displays."
I would imagine that the poster who commented about vandalizing merchandise with stickers might very well have been remembering that someone actually posted that she does it. She might also have been recalling that others wrote that they were printing stickers to place on the display racks or that they might just have to print a sticker to place on specific items.
Sometimes I forget what I write or say also.
Diana
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Okay----I think I sense a fight coming----------please let's not. There have been multiple postings by different members. At the time I thought there might be a law against it. I with my memory loss couldn't remember the word that applied. I should have made my concern known then, instead of keeping quiet b/c I couldn't find the word. Another member clarified by using the correct word --vandalism. Now we know that it is not lawful and it can lead to problems for whomever does it. So let's use Divines rocket analogy--we are correcting our trajectory/path--together. We have done such wonderful work here to have decension among us.
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Chabba I've received one note from Mods. Waiting for a second. Final varification that it doesn't violate TOS.
The idea came out of the discussion here and my posting about my Social worker. We will have a list of where to donate that doesn't violate what we support AND at the same time we will be able to identify sources that people can seek assistance from-----TWO for ONE---YAY. It'll be just a few more hours. Patience----I know I'm excited if this works.
community.breastcancer.org/for...
All most there-there have been about five interchanges. So, they are actively working with me.
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Actually I have never been rude to anyone. Although I wil acknowledge that my FB message was a little pissy. I vent here where I know people understand the anger; not at well meaning people but about the disease itself. Actually, I am not an aggressive person and doubt very much I would get into a debate with a stranger, but I have suggested careful donating to my friends; urging them to think before they pink. But I guess the proverbial straw was thrown onto my load with the football game. Which by the way has a lot of middle and even upper class players. Not every player is a poor person, that is a stereotype.
Perhaps I was mistaken to have expressed myself so openly. If I offended anyone, I apologize
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"MY" merchandise (in the process of being purchased or already purchased) , not anyone else's or things sitting on shelves.
"In stores" - on public bulletin boards.
. I Guess the literal interpretation suggests it was other's merchandise.
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Well still waiting for last response from Mods. There were at least close to a dozen interchanges. But they are mulling the last. Patience.
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community.breastcancer.org/for...
is a thread based on the questions from the link SpecialK posted which defines how to evaluate those organizations that meet the criteria of funding of both research and patient initiateves , openess, not including carcenogenes.
1. Does any money from this purchase go to support breast cancer programs? How much?
2. What organization will get the money? What will they do with the funds, and how do these programs turn the tide of the breast cancer epidemic?
3. Is there a "cap" on the amount the company will donate? Has this maximum donation already been met? Can you tell?
4. Does this purchase put you or someone you love at risk for exposure to toxins linked to breastcancer? What is the company doing to ensure that its products are not contributing to the breastcancer epidemic?
thinkbeforeyoupink.org/?page_i... The above questions from Think Before You Pink is a project of Breast Cancer Action.
The mods have been inundated by phone calls b/c of ativity on the threads. There only request was to not use employee names or CEO's names. The intent of the thread is to identify organizations. Discussion of other can take place eleswhere. i.e. home threads.
The second effect of the thread is it can identify Grant money and financial assistance available through the organizations we identify as meeting the criteria of an organization we want to associate with.
The DivineMrs M started a thread to identify organizations to donate to. She made me aware during discussions with mods and then I made them aware . I had hoped they would make a special category for us , but they elected to put us under Advocacy.
The two are polar opposites with a similar goal. I'll be back with a link to hers.
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/110/topic/794233?page=1#idx_18
I wish we could have had an individual category, but didn't fly. I will put links in header to both.
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Sas it says Page not Found.
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Makrat---try the link I put in the above box.
Divine on my thread change your link to the new link.to your thread. Iput both in the header box and I think may be in my newthread--nomemeory. If I haven't I'll do the same as I did above.
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Okay I tested the links in the header both work. I think you will have to read both to understand why I say they are opposites. Divine started her work by listing those to donate to. I started by using the "Think before you Pink"-questions.The header and directions were complete with the mods trying to fiquire out where to put it when Divine popped in notifying us of her thread. Well the mods determined, we both need to be on advocacy. I don't know how it will work. Read and comment. May be it will gel tomorrow.
Mini ____not sure what you are talking about, but ((((((((((HUGS))))))). You have never been rude. Sheila.
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What do you all think of this?
On Facebook a local breast cancer charity posted: Make sure you "like" XYZ company because for every new "like" of their page they will donate $1 up to $400.
Then I looked at the company's page and they basically had the same status but admitted that they are trying to get more "likes".
Would you post something about how donating without a stipulation would probably bring in more "likes" or just like the page?0 -
Divine, well it didn't work out as I wanted. We both ended up in advocacy. If you're wondering why they moved you , I think it had to do with your statement that you were going to start listing the organizations that were bad. Which was the point of mine. In your kindness to make us aware of your site. It caused them to read yours. Otherwise I don't think they were aware of what was being said on your thread.
The storm on many threads in backlash to pink and money flow is causing them to get CEO phonecalls of dissent. They've told them that what we write on the boards is protected free speech and not against the rules. When I was negotiating mine they asked to keep it free of CEO names and employee names. I figuired it wouldn't hurt b/c mine was already defined as a list site not a discussion site ---and that all discussion be taken back to their home pages.
I linked your thread in the header on the list thread and and pinktober revolution.
What this tells me about the mods getting phone calls is the dissent through different threads is being heard in boardrooms and making them shook up. So, we are all making an impact. Yay for the Constitution!
I don't think there is anything here that can't be shared withall, so, I'm going to repost it on the threads. Pm with any questions.
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Barbe1958.... you are so right. I don't know how many people I've talked to believe that breast cancer is curable. That once you reach your "five years", you're home free. And I am appalled at the number of people that I meet who believe - seriously! - that if a woman gets a mammogram every year, she won't get breast cancer.
Most disturbing for me; however, are the number of people who joked - when I told them I was having a suspicious lump biopsied - that, if it was breast cancer, I could get new boobs. For free. To this day, I still feel gobsmacked whenever I remember it. There was one woman who, actually, acted annoyed; she'd spent several thousand dollars on a breast lift and augmentation, and she thought it unfair - yep, UNFAIR! - that I could get one for free just because I had breast cancer.For me - personally - pink tutus, pink feather boas, cutsy slogans, and pink shirts emblazoned with "SAVE THE TATAS" or "FEEL YOUR BOOBIES" trivialize what a lot of us have experienced. And it's not just that I object to the "merchandising" of breast cancer; I object to the attitude that breast cancer is something to laugh about, to poke fun at. I realize that many of us here - myself included - often use humour to get through difficult days and I can appreciate that humour can make things more bearable. And I could appreciate the humour in the "SAVE THE TATAS" t-shirts, if I felt that those wearing them also fully appreciated it and weren't just wearing it because they thought it was funny.
And don't get me started on the bad taste angle. I'll just end with saying that breast cancer is a serious disease that kills. I wish people would give it the respect it deserves. Fundraisers for other types of cancer don't seem to have the "buffoonery" attached to them that breast cancer does.0 -
I don't know what they mean "free boob job". I had a lot of co-pays which were difficult given my income and I didn't even have reconstruction. I was grateful to skip rads because it would have been another $1000 in co-pays.
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Wren--you're right about the 'free' part. My rads are costing me $75 per day (my co-pay) for a total of nearly 2500.
Selena--that was so well put! By the way, I have breast cancer, not TA TA cancer.
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Makrat this is perfect for the list page. Get XYZ name They fail question#3 on the list site. It would be a great first example as to how the list can be beneficial. Put name address and phone if avaiable. Then when it comes to description, put something to the effect like 10/12"Fails question 3, limits money to less than predictably taken in." or "Fails question 3. Limit 400$, no explanation to what happens to money if "likes"exceed 400$.
This is perfect perfect. Anyone reading the header next year can look at list and see if company is continuing the same practice. give it a try------sheila
Don't be afraid to name company, they publically advertised, you are not stating anything that is not true. AND we are using a criteria based on a reputable BC organization. Can't wait to see the post.
We are on our way to knowing at a glance who's doing what. Yay. Exciting, exciting --oh post soon sheila
Go to header click on link that has "Topic:List organizations". right above it.
EDIT--Mak read Cottontails post and my post after hers page 34. CT's is very helpful
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SAS,
A business that agrees to donate $1 per like to it's FB page is not taking in donations, it is giving them out. It costs 'zero' $ for a person to like that business's FB page. So if they cap the amount they will donate and receive more likes, no excess $$ is involved. What explanation is needed regarding exceeding the number of likes?
I fail to see why anyone would want to 'out' said company for donating $400 to a cause.
Diana0
